Over The Counter Highs: S/D

or take benedryl, but that's just a bit different of a feeling.

Maybe, but I have done other types of physical activity which didn't give me exactly the same effect. Maybe some other types of dancing gave me basically the same thing.

It may be partly the endorphins, but there's also the rhythms, which supposedly often have a strong connection to the rhythms used in Afro-Cuban religious music, music which has a particular functional purpose to create a certain state of consciousness. ("a particular functional purpose"--I hope mark s doesn't see this. Hey it's 2:47 AM. Cut me some slack.) It's not just some cardiovascular thing. I am becoming one with the rhythm. I am doing some fairly complex movements in coordination with another person, and in response (hopefully) to the music.

I'm not suggesting that it would work the same way for everyone.

and

ROBITUSSIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! mmmmmmmmmm...

as for the fucking tussin as long as you get only dex in it you dont get fatal till past 1700mg . 350 is enough i dont dare go past 600. lots take 900, there fucking crazy tho

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OK, has anyone tried Mephedrone (NOTE not Methedone - the heroin substitute).

It seems to be getting a good reputation as a legal alternative to ecstasy. It apparently has a euphoric, stimulant buzz with the later taking over when re-dosing, but unfortunately not the emphatic qualities of MDMA.

Reports seem to suggest a cross between MDMA and Coke, but it has a reputation for being a bit more-ish with some people saying once they’ve started they keep taking it until it’s gone - and some people overdoing it (over 1 gram in a night) ending up with purple patches on their skin :-S

A gram can be bought online for about £15, and should be more than enough for a couple of people for a night out.

With decent pills in pretty short supply a, ahem, friend is considering buying some to try rather than getting burnt getting nasty BZP/MCPP instead of ecstasy - which seems to happen all to regularily these days.

Has anyone got any good or bad words to say about it?

So, nobody then?

"plant food"

i have nothing first-hand to offer although a friend told me last weekend that it gave him a three-day hangover.

Yeah, plant food seems to be one name - meow or miaow is another. It's going to get tried - small doses first - in a couple of weekends time.

Unisom beeitchs.

hmm, i wanna try. wiki says it seems like it's legal in the usa. this is curious The cathinone component of 4-MMC occurs naturally in the Khat plant (from wiki)

from another forum:
I find the duration a bit short for my liking. The intensity of the peak diminishes fast leaving you wanting more, making it very binge-able. Comedown is emotionally wearing and sometimes disconcerting. This is one to miss I feel.

ok bluelight.ru is my new favorite forum. couple of in-depth trip reports:

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=420910
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=421180

I've heard mephadrone's alright, about as good as the stuff you buy proporting to be MDMA these days. I might get some.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rN_s-gRnD6Q

MY GURU

It's got to be better than fizzy tasting BZP/MCPP which is all I seem to be able to get hold of when trying to get any garys these days - haven't had an aniseedy tasting one for 6 months. :-(

jeez idk how you guys handle the BZP

I don't - It gets thrown away when I get any - as it has been sold to me as proper doobs. Once you know that nasty sweet/fizzy taste you know the best thing to do is get rid of it.

Just gonna sit here and eat my lunch and try and figure out what 'garys' is rhyming slang for

Gary Speed = pills that, apparently, taste of aniseed?

yes that shit is horrible. its like a nightmare that you take in a pill.

I don't know what any of these words mean any more.

I haven't taken E in 3 years tho. Which should probably be rectified.

"Proper doobs" so doobs doesn't mean weed I'm assuming here.

Good luck rectifying that at the moment! Only seems to be garbage available.

Well it's been that way for a decade at least hasn't it?

I have friends with friends etc who apparently get decent MDMA but I can't be arsed usually.

I'm surprised you can't download it thesedays...

Well it's been that way for a decade at least hasn't it?

With pills yes, but there was lots of great MDMA going around till about six months ago.

My dad recently told me he would pop loads of SLEEPING PILLS when going out. It was much cheaper than chugging gallons of beer. Downside: he often just fell asleep against the club wall. hahahahahahahahah

Gary's is rhyming slang coming from Gary Ablett, the former Liverpool and Everton player. Not sure where doobs comes from, but its what they've always been called round our way.

Anyway, you want aniseed tasting pills because that generally means they are good - the precussor to MDMA is Safrole, which apparently is where the bitter aniseed-like flavour comes from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safrole

Had a really good supplier for the last 5 years until about 6 months ago, when his source dried up. :-(

Meant to write that Ablett rhymes with 'tablet'.

Very *of the time*, that, good lookin out. I'd've needed a lot of lunch to consider him tbh

Gary Mcallister = eh mate, no, come back, I just want to be pals with yer

"My dad recently told me he would pop loads of SLEEPING PILLS when going out."

ive done this... its adventurous

Anyway, Mephderone/Meow/Plant Food: Not bad - not MDMA good, but fairly good. Urge to keep doing more is dangerous as the euphoria is much shorter lasting, but without redosing it’s great at keeping you awake until the early houes with enough energy for dancing, which is the main thing for me. Mot much comedown either - at least at the low amounts used (2x100mg 3 hours apart).

I tried it last weekend (2x200mg 1.5 hours apart) and thought it was way better than E or coke!

Comes on with lovely smooth warmth after a mere 25 minutes and just gets better - none of the horrible mongy
physical effects of some Es, and no anxiety feelings or nausea.

Really minimal comedown and can be bought legally for £10 a gram. Almost too good to be true!

"My dad recently told me he would pop loads of SLEEPING PILLS when going out."

ive done this... its adventurous

― hondurian, Friday, September 18, 2009 3:46 PM (2 weeks ago) Bookmark

this seems bizarre

I feel it lacks the “loved-up” emphatic side of E though – which is the best part about it – and the euphoria seemed very short-lived, but that might just be the careful dose I had taken. It also seems to lack the hallucinagenic qualities of MDMA which alter (usually for the better) my perception of music.

Can’t say I've ever experienced mongy after effects on E, I just get a nice warm afterglow - again, something which this lacked, instead I just felt awake. It’s a clean experience though.

Almost no after effects the day after too, and I agree it’s almost too good to be true considering how cheap and easy to get hold of at the moment.

Right, I'm going to order some right now.

xpost to HOOS - I thought that was the whole thing with downers/reds of the 60s, basically sleeping pills where you fight the sleep.

I'll totally rep for Kava (the powdered root you drink, not pre-packaged pills at the drugstore). Mellow relaxant of body and emotion, mentally stimulating, takes you to inner Fiji. You won't get a better night's sleep and no fog the next morning. I used to always wake up in the middle of the night to take a piss or whatever and not be able to fall back asleep, wheels spinning - Kava's been the cure. It tastes like drinking peppery dirt and numbs your tongue, but you get used to it.

Can you buy this "plant food" in your local head shop? Or do you have to order it online?

Just wondering like.

If you're looking for a club drug then I guess it's not as good as E.

But I gave all that up years ago, partly cos I got too old and partly cos of the awful longlasting comedowns it gave me.

I tried coke as an alternative, but always ended up regretting doing it - squandering a ton of money on something that after the first couple of hits just wasn't all that great.

Mephedrone is the first drug I've taken where the downsides for me don't seem to outweight the good (obviously downsides not yet apparent could begin to reveal themselves as I continue taking it). I thought the euphoria, though short-lasting, was gorgeous.

(Also, amazing sex drug)

Um, I've had kava (after dinner several nights in Fiji no less). But I wouldn't make a habit of it. A number of westerners have required liver transplants after experimenting with it.

Fair points Scott. I guess I only indulge when out clubbing, so that is what I'm after! I think it's good though - it will do until the drought is over at least.

On further readingp, Kava liver toxicity is very rare, but it does occur. There's some indication that that might be due to adulteration of the root powder with leafy parts of the plant.

The thing with the mephedrone is you should get a reasonable amount and bomb it rather than dabbing it the way you might with actual mdma

The main difference is definitely that the end is a bit more abrupt than actual mdma

Can you buy this "plant food" in your local head shop? Or do you have to order it online?

Don't know if you can buy it in legal high shops. I ordered a couple of grams from one of the main sites online and got it next day (paid £5 for guaranteed next day delivery, which you sign for when it arrives). If you have a paypal account you can ask them in an email to invoice you to paypal, so no worries about giving credit card details etc.

online for me

xpost- thanks for the Kava heads-up. yeah, definitely get only quality pure root or root powder from a reputable herbalist. From reading that Herb Companion article, they conclude the rare cases of liver disease were most likely caused by poor quality kava extracts sold as Kava pills, when it was being hyped as an over-the-counter Prozac. Interesting, they say "water extracts of kava contain glutathione, a potent antioxidant that helps prevent liver toxicity".

like anything, do your research, know your dealer and follow the traditional methods.

http://thumbs.dreamstime.com/thumblarge_272/1211412871tNzfDp.jpg

This really reminds me of being high on dxm. It's been a while, but I know it when I see it.