My world can, now, end. More will be updated here later.
― donut bitch (donut), Friday, 20 September 2002 04:10 (twenty-three years ago)
― ron (ron), Friday, 20 September 2002 04:18 (twenty-three years ago)
― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Friday, 20 September 2002 04:31 (twenty-three years ago)
― ron (ron), Friday, 20 September 2002 04:39 (twenty-three years ago)
Betty Crocker will never die.
God, I SO NEED these recipe cards.
― rosemary (rosemary), Friday, 20 September 2002 04:43 (twenty-three years ago)
Heat all ingredients to simmering, stirring occasionally. Serve hot with celery "swizzle sticks" 6 servings (about 1/2 cup each).
Cut chicken livers in half; cut each water chestnut into 3 pieces. Pour Teriyaki Sauce over chicken livers and water chestnuts in bowl; refrigerate about 4 hours. Drain. Wrap a piece of chicken liver and a piece of water chestnut in each bacon slice.
Secure with wooden prick; roll in brown sugar. Set oven control at broil and/or 550 degrees. Broil 3 to 4 inches from heat 10 minutes or until bacon is crisp, turning occasionally.12 appetizers
Teriyaki Sauce: Mix 1/4 cup salad oil, 1/4 cup soy sauce, 2 tablespoons catsup, 1 tablespoon vinegar, 1/4 teaspoon pepper and 2 cloves garlic, crushed.
― donut bitch (donut), Friday, 20 September 2002 04:46 (twenty-three years ago)
― donut bitch (donut), Friday, 20 September 2002 04:47 (twenty-three years ago)
― rosemary (rosemary), Friday, 20 September 2002 04:52 (twenty-three years ago)
― C J (C J), Friday, 20 September 2002 04:56 (twenty-three years ago)
― ron (ron), Friday, 20 September 2002 05:26 (twenty-three years ago)
― rosemary (rosemary), Friday, 20 September 2002 06:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― felicity (felicity), Friday, 20 September 2002 06:05 (twenty-three years ago)
― felicity (felicity), Friday, 20 September 2002 06:09 (twenty-three years ago)
― jess (dubplatestyle), Friday, 20 September 2002 06:11 (twenty-three years ago)
― jess (dubplatestyle), Friday, 20 September 2002 06:14 (twenty-three years ago)
― felicity (felicity), Friday, 20 September 2002 06:18 (twenty-three years ago)
― jess (dubplatestyle), Friday, 20 September 2002 06:21 (twenty-three years ago)
― Josh (Josh), Friday, 20 September 2002 06:26 (twenty-three years ago)
― donut bitch (donut), Friday, 20 September 2002 06:53 (twenty-three years ago)
The 'adventures in space' is the best - check out the inverted blood-red deathstar-shaped jello mold (the mark of satan obv.) and the forlorn-looking boy-king made out of bread (?!) with his lame-o jelly bean space-helmet.
also the beheaded clown with the mysterious cookie filling!!
― geeta (geeta), Friday, 20 September 2002 07:35 (twenty-three years ago)
"come for coffee"!!!
― mark s (mark s), Friday, 20 September 2002 08:18 (twenty-three years ago)
― Colin Meeder (Mert), Friday, 20 September 2002 08:52 (twenty-three years ago)
― Andrew L (Andrew L), Friday, 20 September 2002 08:53 (twenty-three years ago)
― felicity (felicity), Friday, 20 September 2002 09:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 20 September 2002 14:30 (twenty-three years ago)
(Actually I recall reading that WWII was the big watershed for American cuisine, insofar as soldiers came back from Italy and France and told people amazing stories about how they used these exotic things called "spices" and "seasoning" over there -- which U.S. cuisine remained massively afraid of even as they assimilated them: the first use of garlic in a Crocker book calls for one clove in an entire large saucepan of spaghetti sauce, and you were meant to stick the clove on a toothpick so you could take it out later.)
― nabisco (nabisco), Friday, 20 September 2002 14:45 (twenty-three years ago)
― nabisco (nabisco), Friday, 20 September 2002 14:47 (twenty-three years ago)
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 20 September 2002 16:12 (twenty-three years ago)
"Have you thought about maybe bothering with the taste a bit?"
"Okay but can it still be a bit about making little cookie aliens?"
― nabisco (nabisco), Friday, 20 September 2002 17:15 (twenty-three years ago)
― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 20 September 2002 17:20 (twenty-three years ago)
― donut bitch (donut), Friday, 20 September 2002 17:57 (twenty-three years ago)
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 20 September 2002 18:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― lyra (lyra), Friday, 20 September 2002 18:12 (twenty-three years ago)
In retrospect, these card sets were recipes for people with a complete lack of imagination (or faith in their cooking skills) -- each card has a color picture so's you could agonize whether your finished dish "looked right" or not. And they were tragic waste of space, anyway. A moderately-sized cookbook could fit all those recipes and more in a size smaller than the avocado or rust-colored plastic box the cards came in.
― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Friday, 20 September 2002 19:11 (twenty-three years ago)
― ... (donut), Friday, 20 September 2002 19:18 (twenty-three years ago)
― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Friday, 20 September 2002 19:27 (twenty-three years ago)
― donut bitch (donut), Friday, 20 September 2002 19:29 (twenty-three years ago)
― Sean (Sean), Friday, 20 September 2002 19:32 (twenty-three years ago)
And why all the twee names?
― donut bitch (donut), Friday, 20 September 2002 20:02 (twenty-three years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 20 September 2002 20:07 (twenty-three years ago)
― Aaron Grossman (aajjgg), Friday, 20 September 2002 20:08 (twenty-three years ago)
― gazza, Friday, 20 September 2002 20:24 (twenty-three years ago)
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 20 September 2002 20:28 (twenty-three years ago)
Bananas, cream, walnut halves...
― donut bitch (donut), Friday, 20 September 2002 20:54 (twenty-three years ago)
― brg30 (brg30), Friday, 20 September 2002 20:59 (twenty-three years ago)
Actually this whole thing has made me feel quite ill.
― gazza, Friday, 20 September 2002 21:16 (twenty-three years ago)
― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Friday, 20 September 2002 21:37 (twenty-three years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 20 September 2002 21:41 (twenty-three years ago)
― gazza, Friday, 20 September 2002 21:49 (twenty-three years ago)
all aboard the nursery train! next stop: tummy ache!
― ron (ron), Friday, 20 September 2002 23:42 (twenty-three years ago)
― Nicole (Nicole), Saturday, 21 September 2002 00:13 (twenty-three years ago)
Last night I did unspeakable, de Sadelike things to a roasting chicken with a trussing needle and food processor. Madame de Saint-Ange and Dolmance would have approved.
― felicity (felicity), Saturday, 21 September 2002 08:14 (twenty-three years ago)
cookery-as-domestic-art between the wars was about impressing yr guests (= yr husband's boss, for example), and after the wars got caught i think between the triple poles of massification (ultimately a good thing, initially a catastrophe), paucity of affordable ingredients (which obv did not bother eg escoffier) and (relative) success of PRESENTATION as a device.
LOOK is of course empirically checkable in a way taste is not, if yr in an extreme situation of cultural intimidation: my Pork Gelatin Palace of Versaille looks like the picture = I am a Kitchen God. It tastes yuck = how the hell do I know what posh food tastes like? Rich ppl eat anchovies and olives ew ew ew!!! (If I wanted to be sarcastic and combative I wd compare this to Academic Institutionalised Modernism in the arts...)
Frm the 60s onwards, a Trust yr Own Tastebuds democratisation* combined with a upper fashion revulsion at Archietectural Pretension. In the UK the really posh often lived in spartan semi-squalor anyway and had a jones for exotic simplicity: the God of this was Elizabeth David, who made the Mediterranean Peasant her guru, and (in the end) helped revolutionise the foodhalls of the mid-range supermarket (= Postmodernism DO YOU SEE)
*In the UK this was arguably pioneered by cooking appliance corproations like the Gas Board and the Electricity Board, both of which put out regular manuals of HOW TO USE OUR SCARY MACHINE that were 90% recipes, 10% if you smell a leak don't look for it with a match)
(the AcMo vs PoMo dialectic posited above works to explode the way this FITE is generally elaborated btw, by the NoPoMo *and* the YoPoMo factions...)
― mark s (mark s), Saturday, 21 September 2002 10:09 (twenty-three years ago)
Wow.
― suzy (suzy), Saturday, 21 September 2002 10:45 (twenty-three years ago)
― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Saturday, 21 September 2002 10:56 (twenty-three years ago)
It's interesting that you correlate the move from looking good ==> tasting good with democratization. I think it depends on whose history is being told. There are perhaps different socio-economic arcs in cooking histories in the UK and the US. Whereas I would think the UK had easier exposure to French techniques, the average American was unfamiliar with French cooking styles until, as Nabisco correctly points out, a taste for Continental cookery was imported into the US by servicepeople returning from Europe after WWII, most notably, Julia Child.
Between the wars, US home entertaining was a bit hampered by Prohibition and then the Depression. Post-WWII cooking and entertaining in the US probably got wacky not only due to unprecedented prosperity resulting from the explosion in industrial production during the war, but also because of the advent of the television age.
A lot of the recipes from the 50's and 60's are designed to be compatible with television viewing, in that they are finger foods or easily served on TV-trays, and, from the Populuxe looks of them, perhaps even to compete with television (proto-MTVism). Television could of course give people an idea of how food should look, if not how it should taste. The wowee-spaceship aesthetic permeates American design of the era in general -- from automobile design to commercial architecture -- people were (relatively) prosperous and excited about life. It may look ugly and sound untasty to us now, but if it tasted (or looked) good to the people who made and consumed it, is that not democratization?
By the later 60's people were starting to calm down
― felicity (felicity), Saturday, 21 September 2002 11:58 (twenty-three years ago)
felicity: yes, my story is v. UK-skewed and also ignores the rise of the fast-food industries (spiciness was democratised in the UK by the indian takeaway hurrah)
― mark s (mark s), Saturday, 21 September 2002 12:17 (twenty-three years ago)
today EVERY SPICE she mentions is cheaply available in any supermarket, posh or street, and many bigger cornershops, whatever their ethnicity
― mark s (mark s), Saturday, 21 September 2002 12:20 (twenty-three years ago)
I find fascinating the idea of UK utility companies (if I'm understanding correctly) publishing cookbooks. We have many famous examples of recipes created by companies to promote their products (e.g., the Fluffernutter), but our utility companies are always nagging us to turn off the stove, the lights, the heat, the water, etc. , so the idea of them encouraging any life-activity is cute to me.
― felicity (felicity), Saturday, 21 September 2002 12:43 (twenty-three years ago)
― mark s (mark s), Saturday, 21 September 2002 12:46 (twenty-three years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 21 September 2002 13:09 (twenty-three years ago)
― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Saturday, 21 September 2002 13:28 (twenty-three years ago)
Fluffernutters!
(Squirrels are used in old editions of The Joy of Cooking!!!)
― rosemary (rosemary), Saturday, 21 September 2002 13:56 (twenty-three years ago)
― mark s (mark s), Saturday, 21 September 2002 14:27 (twenty-three years ago)
― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Saturday, 21 September 2002 14:48 (twenty-three years ago)
― rosemary (rosemary), Saturday, 21 September 2002 15:03 (twenty-three years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 21 September 2002 15:13 (twenty-three years ago)
― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Saturday, 21 September 2002 15:44 (twenty-three years ago)
― anthony easton (anthony), Saturday, 21 September 2002 15:55 (twenty-three years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 21 September 2002 15:58 (twenty-three years ago)
― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Saturday, 21 September 2002 17:48 (twenty-three years ago)
― Kim (Kim), Sunday, 22 September 2002 20:04 (twenty-three years ago)
Frizzle my schnizzle indeed.
― felicity (felicity), Monday, 23 September 2002 05:49 (twenty-three years ago)
― chris (chris), Monday, 23 September 2002 10:58 (twenty-three years ago)
― rosemary (rosemary), Monday, 23 September 2002 15:19 (twenty-three years ago)
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― tu madres, Saturday, 27 December 2003 21:08 (twenty-one years ago)
― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Saturday, 27 December 2003 21:57 (twenty-one years ago)
― tokyo rosemary (rosemary), Saturday, 27 December 2003 22:00 (twenty-one years ago)
― mark s (mark s), Saturday, 27 December 2003 22:02 (twenty-one years ago)
― lauren (laurenp), Saturday, 27 December 2003 23:09 (twenty-one years ago)
everything is decorated with sliced pimento olives, fancy-cut hardboiled eggs and SERVED IN LETTUCE-LEAF BOWLS - this is the hautest of cuisine.
― petra jane (petra jane), Saturday, 27 December 2003 23:25 (twenty-one years ago)
― Sean (Sean), Sunday, 28 December 2003 01:54 (twenty-one years ago)
― petra jane (petra jane), Sunday, 28 December 2003 02:40 (twenty-one years ago)
― Kim (Kim), Sunday, 28 December 2003 03:05 (twenty-one years ago)
― lauren (laurenp), Sunday, 28 December 2003 04:09 (twenty-one years ago)
This will be my New Year's battle cry. It's confirmed. Thank you GOOGLORSgooglers.
― donut bitch (donut), Sunday, 28 December 2003 18:40 (twenty-one years ago)
― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Sunday, 17 September 2006 18:00 (nineteen years ago)
― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Sunday, 17 September 2006 18:34 (nineteen years ago)
― katie quirk (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 17 September 2006 18:38 (nineteen years ago)
― katie quirk (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 17 September 2006 18:39 (nineteen years ago)
― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Sunday, 17 September 2006 18:45 (nineteen years ago)
― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Sunday, 17 September 2006 18:53 (nineteen years ago)
Looking over the Betty Crocker site, I think I came up one really good reason: it's because American food in the wild didn't really photograph and print very well for a very long time (at least when printing processes appropriate to a cheap mass-market cookbook were involved). In my experience, both the high contrast black and white and "red shirt" color printing you find in '50's-'60's cookbooks often aren't subtle enough to accurately convey details in food. In black and white, the interiors of eggy, starchy, and cakey dishes have almost no detail at all; in early color, the exterior of cooked meat dishes often look like vast earth tone blots with a repulsive glisten. I'm guessing that to compensate, they were forced to feature food decorated with or forced into distinctive shapes just to give the cookbook reader's eye something to focus on and comprehend relatively easily.
― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Sunday, 17 September 2006 22:43 (nineteen years ago)
― Trayce (trayce), Sunday, 17 September 2006 23:25 (nineteen years ago)