yo is it true obama got zinged by a white guy after a debate beef? - The 2012 First US Presidential Debate Thread

Let's do this

What % of the country will Romney insult tomorrow?

Somewhere between 30 and 47%

http://www.tnr.com/blog/plank/107696/romneys-miserable-campaign-has-one-last-chance
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/329137/what-debates-can-and-cant-do-romney-ramesh-ponnuru

do you guys know if there'll be an easy way to watch this online from abroad ? like is there gonna be a stream on i dunno smth like youtube for ex?

Youtube is reportedly going to stream all three presidential debates and the one vice presidential debate. I'd assume that means worldwide.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1jXLzNto70

How many times will Mitt say "Golly!"

great thx johnny fever !

So what's the drinking game for this one?

the whole prospect of "romney zingers" has my stomach twisted into a knot of secondhand embarrassment. i half-wonder if he won't actually use them, in the hopes that the post-debate narrative will be about him choosing to be serious and "presidential."

http://politicalastrologyblog.com/2012/10/02/the-astrology-of-the-presidential-debates/

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Tim Pawlenty Uranus

So what's the drinking game for this one?

1. "for Pete's sake"
2. "Rafalca"
3. chastened retort from Obama

4. "MADRASSA!"

whoa, they're getting off to an early start, catching the nation off guard!

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sorry, just posted this on the election thread but it's probably better here:

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2012/10/02/us/politics/what-romney-and-obamas-body-language-says-to-voters.html?hp

Obama's Gestures
Mr. Obama uses a more controlled style than Mr. Romney does. While the force of his movements can prompt the viewer to support the argument put forth, controlled movements can also make the viewer feel that the path suggested would not be easy.

Waving a Ball - In this movement, the president moves his forearm in an arc from the elbow with his palm open, fingers slightly rounded, as if he were holding a baseball. He often uses this gesture when trying to pass along a belief that he wants the viewer to embrace.

Cutting - Mr. Obama often makes a downward chopping motion to place emphasis on an action verb. He has used this to convey a task that he or the viewer might undertake, as well as to sarcastically suggest something his opponent might do.

Pointer - This may be Mr. Obama’s most frequent gesture. Holding his hand in a fist with his thumb overlapping the first joint of the forefinger as if he were operating a remote control, he moves his forearm in an arc from the elbow, with emphasis on the downward motion.

Romney's Gestures
Mr. Romney’s body language is generally more free-flowing than Mr. Obama’s. Such movements can be infectious, encouraging the viewer to join with the speaker.

Pointer - This gesture is similar to Mr. Obama’s pointer movement, with the hand in a loose fist, except that Mr. Romney holds his thumb to the palm side of his forefinger. Mr. Romney also swings his forearm more freely than Mr. Obama does, a gesture that emphasizes strength of conviction.

Embrace - In this movement, Mr. Romney has both hands open, fingers loose, suggesting an imminent embrace. Both arms move up and down repeatedly in a motion that is both free-flowing and direct, conveying the idea that his logic is obvious to all.

Tilt and Nod - Mr. Romney often uses two head movements to punctuate an idea. In the first, Mr. Romney tilts his head to one side, with eyes open wide, as if to ask, “Don’t you agree with me?” In the second, he nods his head, a gesture that suggests, “Of course we agree.”

poll

'the poll'

romney tosses his head and flings his arms around wildly, scrabbling for purchase as if he had just heard the results of the latest opinion poll

thought about it, but the only possible answer is tilt and nod

The signature Romney move for me is that look of his that falls somewhere between sad, pained, and bemused when he's listening:

http://newshour.s3.amazonaws.com/photos/2011/09/08/124007529_blog_main_horizontal.jpg

Not ever having had to stand beside Rick Perry and feign attentiveness, I do empathize in this instance.

The "I feel your pain"

was not ready for the acid trails gif on nyt this morning

Prediction: Romney will wear Tommy Bahama tonight to project warmer, of-the-people image.

Prediction: The President will enter on a horse. Return of the hat.

http://www.salem-news.com/stimg/march212010/obama-cowboy.jpg

Prediction: Romney will wear Tommy Bahama tonight to project warmer, of-the-people image.

― Norah Jones Protest Vote (Eazy), Wednesday, October 3, 2012 10:42 AM Bookmark

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l-r Ryan, Romney, debate moderator Jim Lehrer

Democracy Now! will be 'pausing' the debate to let Jill Stein and Rocky Anderson give answers.

http://www.democracynow.org/blog/2012/9/28/third_party_candidates_to_join_in_real_time_on_democracy_now_s_live_coverage_of_first_pres_debate

Romney even left behind a $1.75 tip on an $18.25 tab

Wow, 9.5%. Noblesse oblige, dude.

in fairness, tipping at Chipotle would never, ever, ever occur to me

It would if you were running for president and had a reputation for being C. Montgomery Burns.

Mitt dramatizes his tipping philosophy:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-RJDz2NDosNQ/UCxUo7atZkI/AAAAAAAAF10/g-c4HHr-27g/s1600/Steve+Buscemi+Reservoir+Dogs.png

Now I wish Buscemi was running for president.

He was treasurer of Atlantic City – who needs him as president?

tipping in the politics thread we r now approaching the ilx singularity

"As the Romney entourage departed, Creedence Clearwater Revival could be heard blasting from the SUV."

"Fortunate Son," most likely.

On the way home I was wishing this thread was called "Yo is it true Obama got zinged by a white guy after a presidential debate beef?"

lol i wonder what romney's A++ beyond his wildest imagination success looks like after this debate? "oh shit romney is actually cool and funny and totally not an emotionless automaton at all!"

Just posted by humorous Twitter feed @FakeAPStylebook: "@FakeAPStylebook: Just write 'Obama made the jerk-off motion and rolled his eyes several times.' You don't have to document every instance."

"Yo is it true Obama got zinged by a white guy after a presidential debate beef?"

this needs to happen

I remember some pundit's benchmark for Reagan success in '84 was "doesn't drool"

phil d. on a roll tonite

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B. HUSS aka the deestroyer

No wonder I couldn't find this damn thread

extremely guilty lol @ obamurkle

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Obama should do Urkel for Halloween just to show 'em.

With Michelle as Nicki Minaj.

The Shape of Zings to Come: Iatee and Lagoon Dissect Debate Strategy.

1968 france. in the midst of social unrest and bank closures you embark on a dangerous journey. nearing your destination, the spanish border, you encounter a comely farmers daughter. she offers you stinky cheese and a bed for the night. to follow her, eat the cheese, and who knows what else turn to page 12. to continue on w/your mormon brethren and cash your parents checks turn to page 25.

flip flopper should always be the flustered one on the stage imo

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someone forgot to tell newt abt the plan

what does newt really want out of life, sometimes i wonder

Yeah it's almost as if he doesn't care who wins if it's not going to be Newt Gingrich.

here's the amazon bestseller right here - you get to be gingrich in a choose your own adventure debate

I remember being very disappointed when Gingrich starting losing in the primaries and never came through with the apocalyptic revenge he kept hinting at. Maybe he's just been biding his time.

not sure why newt's all pissed off tonight. the SpaceX Dragon just launched tonight, the first "real" non-governmental mission to space (they're delivering cargo to the ISS; last time around was more of a proof of concept that they could dock and all of that). i assumed newt was spending all week masturbating feverishly while clicking through hi-res photosets of space

Sure would be nice if people were asking for more clarity from the Romney campaign about what he meant by asserting that his plan covered pre-existing conditions. Maybe I'm wrong, but it seemed like I heard someone try to explain it as having something to do with him supporting allowing people to keep their health plan if they get laid off. Like, I guess you could twist that to mean that someone who got laid off and had a medical condition now wouldn't be forced to try to get a new health plan which maybe he/she couldn't get because they had a pre-existing condition?

Didn't his campaign say his plan was to leave it up to the states?

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/329568/no-romney-didnt-tell-lie-after-lie-debate-katrina-trinko

It wouldn't surprise me if Mitt's campaign had reversed all his to-the-center moves in the debate already

I like how she identifies “In fact, I do have a plan that deals with people with pre-existing conditions. That’s part of my health care plan” as thought that's the quote in question. Romney actually said "PRE-EXISTING CONDITIONS ARE COVERED IN MY PLAN" also. Exact words.

We're really going deep down a rabbit hole when people are saying Mitt didn't lie, when his own spokesman said it wasn't true!

"yeah, we've got that issue covered, which is that you're on your own"

Not if you maintain continuous coverage!

yeah if you already have insurance, your pre-existing condition which developed after you got insurance is totally covered.

romney also said Obama doubled the deficit, what's the orwellian take on that one

he most likely meant to say national debt, which still isn't quite true but is closer to being true

I'm gonna run for president some day on an "increase taxes, build trains, allow national debt to increase forever" platform

the national debt is a pretend number. Paying it all off would fuck the economy and there's no reason to do so.

pay for trains with a train victory bond

Joe Biden 2016

i will be your train-running mate

what if everything was just trains

i will wear a dr seuss cat in the hat hat and skip through congress tossing out wads of trillion dollar bills and swaying to and fro "it's just paper, darlings! isn't it wonderful?"

I'd be careful, there is a train running through congress now

choo-choo! you hear that america? that's the train boarding for ~COSMIC LIBERATION~

trains are the solution to all war and poverty

he most likely meant to say national debt, which still isn't quite true but is closer to being true

― iatee, Monday, October 8, 2012 2:39 AM (25 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

nah man

“The president said he’d cut the deficit in half. Unfortunately, he doubled it. Trillion-dollar deficits for the last four years.”

run a train on congress! silby/bison 2012

this is why the lying is successful tho. bc humans really don't want to believe that someone is just lying to them. so they start to give the person every benefit of the doubt.

yeah check out this great fact check

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/DC-Decoder/Decoder-Wire/2012/1005/Presidential-debate-101-Did-Obama-really-double-the-deficit

"It’s possible that on Wednesday night Romney misspoke or misunderstood something in his briefing book. His advisers may have wanted him to say that the US debt, not the deficit, had increased sharply during Obama’s term."

Yeah maybe they told him the debt had "increased sharply" and that became the debt doubling makes total sense.

perhaps my ears were full of mustard and what he really said was

Two Presidents, Smoking and Scheming

the link was kind of messed up, this should work:

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/07/opinion/sunday/dowd-two-presidents-smoking-and-scheming.html

maureen dowd, woman of many opinions, few of them worth the effort

I did chuckle a couple of times.

Thanks, Z S!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlwilbVYvUg

hahaha

loll

"Party time, chumps!"

That was awesome.

i dont want to touch sandpaper

"the wiz"

best BLR yet -- I like the way it's following a similar trajectory to "shreds" videos and getting more elaborate

"I'm not a robot, OK? I wish that I could go higher, that you could rotate my arm and send me whooshin' into space."

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