libertarians vs republicans

a room, or a seastead? i'd choose libertarian for seastead for the endless comedy of failures that would provide.

andrew mellon vs william lloyd garrison

i kinda secretly believe that stuck in a room w/ any republican for a week i can get them to disavow the republican party. that most of their political beliefs are rooted in ignorance + poor critical thinking skills. i think that libertarians are more fully attached to an ideology that is honestly kinda impervious to rational discourse.

anonymous vs james o'keefe

What flavor of Republican? New Englander? Texan? Northern Californian?

republicans much less likely to be idiots about the civil war, so them.

flavors don't exist anymore

republicans much less likely to be idiots about the civil war, so them.

― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Wednesday, October 3, 2012 12:54 PM (18 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

just as likely to be idiots about the period afterwards tho

flavors still exist but aren't represented in public/media consciousness - they mostly matter in local elections + local politics

can I pick the Republican and the Libertarian?

prince rand paul vs president scott brown

Most irl republicans aren't as vocal and obnoxious as the libertarians I've met.

watching j-horror with johnny ramone for a week wouldn't be too bad.

autism vs psychosis

That's assuming you can pick which one! College libertarians are the most disgusting savages. xp

tbf a lot of that is because of the "college" part

Likewise, loudly watching college football or hockey playoffs with a republican is just fine, just as long as that republican doesn't root for fuckin' Ohio State, cuz then we'd have a problem.

my roommate is a libertarian so i've basically already made this choice. he's not annoying about it though, we just don't talk about politics

libertarians are a type of republican

like srsly they are part of the republican coalition

this is well known and easily verifiable

you know who's a libertarian, is Christina Hendricks

definitely think flavors exist and that would definitely affect my preference

like i would much rather be trapped in a room for a week with Brink Lindsey than someone who gets 100% of their lolnews from FOX

might as well go religious right v republicans

this is well known and easily verifiable

how does one go about verifying that kind of categorical assertion?

I will vote in this poll only when I am allowed to pick all the remaining traits of this mythical person. Perhaps a catatonic libertarian would have social charms not common to the breed.

otoh i'd pick a Huntsman daughter a paranoid Pault**d

over a

other fanous libertarians include:

Jessica Biehl
Brittany Murphy (RIP)
Blake Lively
Maggie Q
Heather Locklear
Donna Summer
Amanda Peet
Marsha Warfield
Selena Gomez

the 'all libertarians are closet GOP operatives' meme is an extremely stupid one

http://wac.0873.edgecastcdn.net/800873/blog/wp-content/uploads/201209_blog_kirby272.jpg

― a shark with a rippling six pack (Phil D.), Tuesday, October 2, 2012 5:53 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

how does one go about verifying that kind of categorical assertion?

― Mordy, Wednesday, October 3, 2012 2:03 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

well since were talking abt politics we could just go ahead and see how they vote

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― a shark with a rippling six pack (Phil D.), Tuesday, October 2, 2012 5:53 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

haha xp

so that proves what? that during presidential elections libertarians have tended (tho not unanimously) to vote for the republican candidate?

routinely getting 60-70% of any self-described demographic is about as close a lock in a coalition as you can get

until (long-time republican funder) ross perot showed up

More libertarians smoke weed but Republicans who smoke weed tend to smoke better weed.

ill leave to mordy the heavy lifting of untangling votes republican from republican

Donna Summer
Amanda Peet
Marsha Warfield

could totally chill with these women

it's reductive. jewish voters, or black voters, predominately vote (in even higher than 70%) for democratic candidates, but they aren't just democrats under a secret new name. self-identified environmentalists might end up predominately voting for democratic candidates in presidential elections, but might vehemently argue that they aren't democrats.

sure but theyd be wrong

is "smoke weed" code for "fiscal policy" or code for "smoke weed"?

i mean, i'm not making perfect links to libertarians, and i'm open to an argument that they're moreso republicans than other ideological, interest, or demographic groups are the party that they predominately vote for. but that graph does not make that case.

i mean its kinda like saying im not a regular at this bar i just come here all the time

"More libertarians smoke weed but Republicans who smoke weed tend to smoke better weed."

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well, no it's not. being a regular at a bar is synonymous w/ coming to it often. voting for a party is not synonymous w/ being a member of that party.

And truth be told, my dad is somewhere in that cloud nebula mix of asshole exburbanite libertarian/republican

And he roots for Michigan State, but we don't talk during that game.

(On a related note, said dad has major problems tipping appropriately, which has resulted in no few public arguments with multiple family members over the paltry amounts)

for instance, how about all the hard left voters who reconcile themselves to voting for the democrat every four years bc of 'lesser than two evils' argument but spend the next four years protesting that candidate? arguably this is the most common archetype to ILX and yet you'd claim that all those voters are actually democrats in denial?

I'm kind of making a NorCal joke there and yes by smoke weed, I mean ingest the psychotropic substances in cannabis

no – just ILXers

sure libertarianism is distinct from whatever melange of stuff plain 'ol conservatism is

but actually-existing libertarianism is a social and political phenomenon of the right, they know it, everybody knows it.

It was really fascist, I think?

yeah, found it: things you're secretly kinda fascisty about

we should do one for republican

i wonder who the most right-wing ilxor is and sometimes i wonder if it's me

Yeah, I think it was Roger Adultery who was that type, tho there always seems to one or two in the past who float around for a few months before getting banned or floating away

well you went ham on Jonah boy a couple years ago

xpost

let's be honest - it's not super hard to be the most right-wing ilxor (i mean that participates on politics threads i'm sure we have some random ILMers who believe all kinds of shit) - we did one of those political graph threads a bit ago and posters only fell on 1/4th of the graph space.

roger a. had some serious probing questions about the hypocrisy of the media covering black-on-white crime iirc and made some very pointed statements.

Does Dandy Don Weiner still post? He struck me as at least run of the mill GOP if not a bit more right wing than that.

every so often i think about making a republican sockpuppet (i guess my admitting it here is also a concession that i'll never really do it) and writing really sincere, complicated posts defending popular right wing talking points

some ppl have theorized that this has already happened etc

left-orthodox team players are about as close to republicanism as ilx gets imo, at least in spirit.

what is a 'left-orthodox team player'?

what is a 'left-orthodox team player'?
--(The Other) J.D. (J.D.)

Sandy Koufax

big lol

out of the park

boom

OMG a basebsall joke I actually get!!!!!

every so often i think about making a republican sockpuppet (i guess my admitting it here is also a concession that i'll never really do it) and writing really sincere, complicated posts defending popular right wing talking points

― Mordy, Wednesday, October 3, 2012 5:06 PM (14 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

some ppl have theorized that this has already happened etc

― Mordy, Wednesday, October 3, 2012 5:07 PM (13 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

was gonna say! ;)

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i'd like libertarians more if they were fictional -- like, if murray rothbard were a character in a novel, he'd totally be the most bizarre and fascinating character.

I've met a handful of both and I have to say I get on a lot better with Libertarians, despite it arguably being a stupider political philosophy. Most of the former I've met tend to be younger fun-loving people whose main attraction to the ideology seems to be wanting the Govt to stop interfering with their shit. Most of the latter tend to be older, angrier and axe-grindier.

nb I'm not American, nor have I ever lived there.

I've met a handful of both and I have to say I get on a lot better with Libertarians, despite it arguably being a stupider political philosophy. Most of the former I've met tend to be younger fun-loving people whose main attraction to the ideology seems to be wanting the Govt to stop interfering with their shit. Most of the latter tend to be older, angrier and axe-grindier.

^^^^ i am American, and this is my own experience.

major exception being libertarians who are really into Ayn Rand, who i lump into the same boat as Scientologists.

we've got beautiful mountains and rivers, chap

most republicans i meet are not nearly as obnoxiously "opinions 4 u" as libertarians (nor as much as most dems tbh but then again i live in l.a., repubs keep their head low for the most part.)

let us all enjoy some freesponsibility... in space!

libertarian space colony's president is apparently Dave Chappelle in a mustache

overview here

wtf Lo-Pan from Big Trouble in Little China shows up 20 mins in

showing up 20 mins in is p much james hong's whole career

also butler in chinatown, "i just do eyes!" in blade runner, dramatically revealed cybersurgeon in tank girl, maitre d when jerry/george/elaine go to the chinese restaurant, etc

they should remake the good earth with james hong as everyone

lol

James Hong is at the Wizard World comiccon going on about a half-mile from me right now. I want to go for the sole reason of getting a photo with him.

choosing b/w these two is the politics equivalent of choosing b/w drowning in a tubful of diarrhea vs. drowning in a tubful of vomit amirite?!?

waving hello

This is a great read: https://www.texasobserver.org/the-rise-and-fall-of-the-freest-little-city-in-texas/amp/

schaudenfreude

If Von Ormy is a libertarian experiment with democracy, it’s one that hasn’t turned out as expected.

I would say it turned out exactly as one would expect

I love the repetition of this phrase in the article:
“We were blessed with this unique opportunity to experiment with democracy”

Sounds great on paper, but it just doesn't work in reality.

this is a good thread/era of ilx politics threads imo

http://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2017/08/date-nate-wont

You have to visit the site in the post. You HAVE to.

Looks like he took down the original site and put up something to try to capitalize on the new traffic he was getting.

I feel like these libertarian guys are somewhat quieter than they were. Rebranding as 'classical liberals', or sucked up by the alt-right and jumped on the conservative identity politics train where all the action is?

reason magazine still exists

I saw the thread title and hoped it was proposing a caged death match.

caged death matches are a very libertarian type of entertainment

All the Ron Paul libertarians are Republicans again

yeah that sounds right. trump kind of gave em enough to jump on--gestures toward "isolationism," the "deconstruction of the administrative state" via vast incompetence, etc

Changing my vote