"This is where I son you in around the world": The Third 2012 Presidential Debate Thread

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TdJjqApa3e0

i just figured what the heck

dunno if i will watch this thing

mostly i just wish this election was over already

Romney's clumsiness (to put it charitably) with foreign policy notwithstanding, not sure if Obama can gain much out of tomorrow night. One, my guess is that fewer people watch the third debate; two, there've already been two, and anyone who was going to be influenced probably already has; three, it appears that Obama didn't get much out of the second one.

Conference call, voting machines. Latching down hard on those two things could seal the deal for O. Hard to swing in a foreign policy debate, though, I guess.

Schieffer's as old as Lehrer, so maybe he'll just nod off while they talk about whatever they want.

Schieffer is a granitehead even as senescent CBS types go.

Also, well, early voting in full force.

what do you mean by conference call, voting machines, lunch? sorry, morning fog in my brain here

Conference call, voting machines, Romney being unsurprisingly but still brazenly underhanded and amoral in his attempts to swing the election utilizing methods that are just this side of illegal (in a way not at all unfamiliar to corporate oligarchs).

I realize I should know better by now, but I really can't believe the conference call hasn't become a bigger story, just on sheer juicy whiff of scandal narrative stuff for a slow news day.

there has been a cluster of small-audience stories on worker intimidation in general tho

round-up at this url-to-conjure-with: http://coreyrobin.com/2012/10/20/how-could-mere-toil-align-thy-choiring-strings-a-breviary-of-worker-intimidation/

(i hate mark ames btw)

it's the kind of thing that may or may not cross over i guess

didn't realize this was the debate thread, sorry for wandering further off-topic

this fucking country - http://www.tnr.com/blog/electionate/108935/record-public-support-military-action-against-iran-ahead-critical-debate-and

I'd like to see the results of other, similar polls. Have there been any?

first thing i've seen on it - it could be one of those things where if you ask the american ppl they'll guess at a right answer but support in reality is very very soft (cf polling on universal health care over the past how many decades). still i would hope that after having very recently dug ourselves out of one money and blood sucking quagmire in iraq and just now starting to begin to dig ourselves out of another in afghanistan that their gut reflex might be not to go jump into another one in iran. curious what the numbers are on syria, where there's a much stronger case to be made logistically and 'morally', how much of this is tied into 30+ years of historical hatred of iran and romney neocon and us likudniks rattling swords about iran's 'nuclear capabilities'. considering all the 'responsible' concern over the deficit from washington media i'm curious if there will be any questioning of romney about how he would pay for whatever invasions and occupations he's got in store for us. not holding my breath.

I would bet the numbers would look more or less the same if you replaced 'iran' with 'pakistan' in those questions. but yeah, if it became a big time political issue and romney becomes pres, who knows. it's never good to bet against americans wanting to kill people. but I think it's possible that there might be a growing faction within the republican party that's tired of paying for foreign adventures + he just doesn't seem like he'd want to focus on foreign policy when he didn't have to. it would really be a question of 'who's running the show' at that point.

I would bet the numbers would look more or less the same if you replaced 'iran' with 'pakistan' in those questions.

The numbers would look more or less the same if you replaced 'iran' with 'anyplace but England or Israel' in those questions.

france, for ex

So....it's going to be, what, an hour? Ninety minutes? Presumably we'll get some Benghazi stuff up front with a rehash of what we heard at the last debate. And some swaggering about Iran and/or Syria, similar to the VP debate with both sides insisting that they'll be "tougher" without any clarification of how, or why, or what that will do. Something about China which will just be a rehash of gibberish already given re: trade deficits, keeping good jobs at home, blah blah....

That still leaves an awful lot of airtime - what are the other "foreign policy" questions that will come up here? Is immigration a foreign policy question? The distance to Russia from Romney's house vs. Obama's? What?

they will just transition to whatever they wanted to talk about anyway

When people bid on the debates on Intrade, what exactly are they betting on? Some averaging of post-debate polls as to who won? This makes no sense to me.

the cnn poll results iirc

I hope Candy Crowley made off like a bandit after #2.

Intrade ain't reliable b/c people know folks go by intrade scores, and as such they can be fucked with

Is anyone even looking forward to this?

Including the candidates? No. Though maybe Israel and Iran will stream it.

When addressing Romney's bellicosity re Iran, Obama might want to mention today being the 50th anniversary of the Cuban Missile Crisis.

Debate preview

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFqYn3i_UQ0

http://i.imgur.com/VQgGk.png

love that Insider clip

That still leaves an awful lot of airtime - what are the other "foreign policy" questions that will come up here? Is immigration a foreign policy question? The distance to Russia from Romney's house vs. Obama's? What?

this was posted a couple weeks ago, who knows if it's still accurate:

The topics for the third and final presidential debate, which will focus exclusively on foreign policy, were announced in Friday.

Politico's Mike Allen was the first to post the topics, which were selected by the moderator, CBS anchor Bob Schieffer. The debate will take place on Oct. 22nd at Lynn University in Boca Raton, Florida.

The topics are:

America's role in the world Our longest war -- Afghanistan and Pakistan Red Lines -- Israel and Iran The Changing Middle East and the New Face of Terrorism (two segments) The Rise of China and Tomorrow's World

apparently it has the same format as the first debate - 15 minute open ended segments, vague questions from an old white guy who is famous but not a very good journalist, etc

climate change not a foreign policy or domestic issue! hooray!

*drowns*

Three guys on Canadian TV right now are wondering whether Canada will be mentioned tonight. We really do feel neglected...They agree that the pipeline is our only chance.

keep reading this is "This is where I son you around in the world" which makes no sense but sounds sort of like something I might say while drunk

I get it though, Obama, basketball, just ftr

lol that's how I read it too

xp

tim hortons should give away free donuts each time canada gets mentioned

Romney: "And there's something I need to say about Canada."
Smiling Obama: "Please proceed, Governor."

What will Mitt say?

we're gonna build a god damn fence along the canadian-u.s. border. finish the god damn fence

Yeah, basketball. I should have written "round the world"

Sucks that the original version of Jay-Z's "all around the world" is, like, nowhere on the internets

Every time I hear that tonight's debate is in Boca Raton, I start imagining what the audience will be like.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6jrwzYGUoA

Loved listening to the perceptive cynicism of the grouchy old man decrying the debates on NPR this morning. He joked that his upcoming column on tonight's debate was already 2/3rds written, and predicted the only thing that will be newsworthy would be some accidental deviation from prep. Prolly pretty accurate.

I wish there was some tasteful way for Obama to work "binders" into a debate answer tonight

"my national security advisors bring me binders, BINDERS full of actionable intel"

Question for Alfred: does Charlie Crist still have any kind of a base in Florida? Does Michelle Obama want to be seated with him?

Tagg Romney is in the audience tonight, I'm hoping he puts his money where his mouth is and gets PWNED by Secret Service for our amusement.

gabbneb is the most rational surprisingly

there are a bunch of good ones i saw when browsing through kerry election threads a few months ago - esp great are the ones where early in the thread ppl are predicting kerry victory and then as evening goes on things get darker and darker

gabbneb wrote this on thread What is the correct onomotopaeic spelling of the Law & Order sound? on board I Love Everything on Oct 26, 2007

FUCK BEES

maybe cuz he took faith in "there's always another election and Tim Russert interview to get excited about"

One of the most depressing months, really.
Four more years of fascism which will probably see all of us finished off.

John Peel dead.

Theo van Gogh dead.

People getting murdered for sitting on the South Bank and minding their own business.

Cancer.

I am not looking forward to 2005.

― Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, November 3, 2004

aw

Prophetic:

i jus think this talk of "seceding" from the red states; being "ashamed" etc is divisive, defeatist, and plays right into the Repubs' hands. we need to get better connected. town and country have to come together or RoveCo will continue to wedge us apart for their own electoral/financial/etc gain (as long as the math continues to work)

― You've Got to Pick Up Every Stitch (tracerhand), Wednesday, November 3, 2004 1:18 PM (7 years ago)

Hi effete elitist here, and I'm saying that the above kind of thinking is just going to get us more of the same. For too long we have expected people to be motivated by the greater good, when in fact most people are motivated by fear, greed and stupidity. I have no interested in getting “connected” with the lowest common denominator. I’m tired of being ruled by their superstition, their cheap morals and hypocrisy, and most of all their blind allegiance to a cult of personality. Plus their food sucks, their music is bad and their clothes are goofy.

― Wednesday, November 3, 2004 1:34 PM

tracer is... obama

kinda pulling a classic gabbneb post out of context but whatev, last one:

Nothing here changes my mind about what kind of candidates the Dems need to nominate. I'm only more convinced we need (perhaps Southern, perhaps Western) centrist DLC types.

lol @ "centrist DLC types"

Obama is, of course, neither southern or western lol

Hawaii is pretty far west, dude.

Pretty far south, too.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_7jBM1Pp6giI/SXchyBaEGMI/AAAAAAAAANI/4I-VuKpY51s/s400/obama_cowboy.jpg

good ol' gabb, the joe klein of ilx

next you're gonna be telling me Lincoln was a Southerner cuz he was born in Kentucky

xp

That's what we need: a revival of the Democratic Leadership Council.

guys i'm getting really worried that the republicans are going to convince me to be worried they romney is going to win this election can smart people etc

that* romney is going to win

Is it set in stone yet that HRC will be stepping down as Sec of State in the second term? And Kerry is the frontrunner to take her place?

http://www.codexmagica.com/images/teresa_heinz-kerry.jpg

lol Teresa was so goofy

Hillary's gonna gear up for a run in '12 so I'd be surprised if she stayed but I haven't read anything official

Is that another one from the 2004 thread?

she's only got 10 days what's she waiting for

october surprise

!

My friend who has been living on edge lately has found solace in going door to door, registering people to vote, ideally for Obama. His positive mental attitude is that he'd rather get one person to vote for Obama than argue with two people who won't, so for him it really is a one-by-one election. I'm heading out with him to Iowa this weekend to give it a shot.

commendable!

that's generally the advice that door troopz are given, the point isn't to win arguments

Just saw this, and clearly having nearly half again as many aircraft carriers as the rest of the world combined isn't enough.

http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/552438_10152191318990066_845842797_n.jpg

How come yours looks different than mine?

http://i.imgur.com/fEkHa.gif

those indian ones are pretty swag

and, FNS Jeanne D'Arc gtfo, you are just a damn ship

are you sure those aren't guitars?

xp I don't know, but yeah...I thought the numbers seemed a little light.

man the UK named a ship "Invincible," humans are funny

obv war is horrible and stuff but the very existence of aircraft carriers, and the fact that they run smoothly by and large, is at least a lil mindblowing at times

Out of more than 65 aircraft carriers shown, there are about 8 total that are NOT either US Navy, or else belong to NATO allies or to other firm US allies, like Australia and Japan.

* said in the voice of Kevin Bacon in JFK *

I think the first aircraft jpg is of carriers currently in service

"Now I know aircraft-carrier generals on a first-name basis."

-Drake

fever's is more up to date i think. e.g. the uk only has illustrious and ocean, both australian ones have been decommissioned, and china bought one from russia a couple of weeks ago.

Obama, campaign comedian

heh, the daily show's title for this piece was "We Missed NLCS Game 7 for THIS?"

both carrier graphics are misleading - pplains's graphic is more complete since it includes ships currently under construction (eg. HMS Queen Elizabeth) but also some that are decommissioned (eg. USS Kitty Hawk). JF's graphic has some rotary-wing only platforms but not all of them.

The plain fact is that the USA and itsNATO and other allies pwn the rest of the world in aircraft carriers and neither graphic misleads one about that reality.

well yeah