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So, I have recently noticed that everywhere I turn are women. Girls, ladies, gals, etc. etc. My current place of employment consists of only women, with a few executives who are male. Yesterday I interviewed for two jobs.. again, only chicks. What's the dilly? Is Colorado lacking in testosterone? Have you noticed this in your area, too?

Mandee, Wednesday, 25 September 2002 16:51 (twenty-three years ago)

I think there will only be 2 men (including me) in my directorate! I am Human Resources now.

jel -- (jel), Wednesday, 25 September 2002 17:02 (twenty-three years ago)

part of it is that women are now graduating college at a higher rate than men in the states.

Aaron Grossman (aajjgg), Wednesday, 25 September 2002 17:13 (twenty-three years ago)

I just recently graduated from college--I also noticed that most of my classes consisted of women, also. However, I was an English major and that seems to be a girly subject to study.

Mandee, Wednesday, 25 September 2002 17:19 (twenty-three years ago)

I work with all woman.

N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 25 September 2002 17:33 (twenty-three years ago)

As a male escort person who works in publishing, it's all women for me.

nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 25 September 2002 17:41 (twenty-three years ago)

nine women, one guy, me: plus the hella-oogly office manager who appears to be in love with me and comes in every 4.2 seconds with a new stupid conversation starter

mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 25 September 2002 17:52 (twenty-three years ago)

Can you please send some of these women into the IT field please?

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Wednesday, 25 September 2002 17:58 (twenty-three years ago)

not many women where i work. and the ones there have boyfriends! but yes what Noodles said. just send 'em to the chem department.

''nine women, one guy, me: plus the hella-oogly office manager who appears to be in love with me and comes in every 4.2 seconds with a new stupid conversation starter''

aww...

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 25 September 2002 18:36 (twenty-three years ago)

the video game industry is in desperate need of some women. my last job's m/f ratio -- about 7:1

if girls are playing gamez more than ever before (and i'm told they are), how come this doesn't translate to better gender representation? is it because, for guys, gaming has become more a lifestyle than simple diversion? and, if so, is 21st century woman actually nietzsche's superman? ha ha...

mbosa, Wednesday, 25 September 2002 18:48 (twenty-three years ago)

Of the six most senior people in my section (University College London's internal software house) only one is female - and she is office manager, the non-technical post. Of the 35 staff in total only eleven are female. That's IT for you - though on my degree course it was far worse: out of 96 starters, 5 were female! I think it's probably our greater emphasis on project management and analysis that might account for a slightly higher proportion of women.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Wednesday, 25 September 2002 21:04 (twenty-three years ago)

At my work there is an about equal gender balance in 'community relations' 'technical support' and 'business services' which are the areas where work is office based and generally needs some formal education. There are very few women employed in the areas where work is field based (pest control, threatened animal management, weed eradication etc).

I think this indicates that women who have proven qualifications are likely to be employed in areas that require those skills. But when employment depends on other, less easily defined skills (that are also traditionally male domains) women are less likely to be employed. It could also be that the people who make hiring decisions in those areas are likely to be older men without much formal education (and so more comfortable hiring men, to generalise greatly).

isadora, Wednesday, 25 September 2002 21:21 (twenty-three years ago)

[[packing for Colorado....]]

M Matos (M Matos), Wednesday, 25 September 2002 21:28 (twenty-three years ago)

I used to have opinions on the IT/women thing but I am now too braindead for anything like that so I'll just link to Kirrily Robert's article about it instead.

As a failed geek I can't really blame being female for it (though the bell curve thing - point 2 in Skud's first article - may apply, but it would be nothing but arrogance and lunacy to think I might ever have been above the very bottom anyway) but I was the second person ever from my all-girls high school to apply to do computing and the IT teacher had done maths at uni so nobody could really tell me much about it, like, "Don't be stupid, everyone else on there will be expert linux kernel patchers who've been coding since age 2, having no social skills but plenty of fond memories of Manic Miner really isn't good enough." Then again I'd never have got a place at all if I wasn't female and therefore able to make the prospectus gender stats look a bit better. (I've gone into more detail in previous arguments on the subject but I can't be bothered, I don't feel involved enough in IT to comment any more, and I've never really known what I think about it.)

The male:female ratio at my job is - perhaps surprisingly - almost even, though most of the women are on the helpdesk, in charge of training courses or doing admin. The actual tech people are almost all male. But then it's a place that'll give unqualified clueless lusers like me jobs anyway.

One of the first year computing exams was in the same hall as an English exam, and you could definitely tell which rows were which.

Rebecca (reb), Wednesday, 25 September 2002 21:40 (twenty-three years ago)

In 6 years, I've worked with only about 3 other women programmers. I don't usually think very much about it, though; I tend to get more nervous about the fact that I'm usually the youngest person in meetings than that I'm only the girl.

lyra (lyra), Wednesday, 25 September 2002 23:36 (twenty-three years ago)

at my university there are more women than men. in the music department there are hardly any guys except in the infamous "rock degree" (in which I DO NOT PARTICIPATE, i do not need some washed up ex-verlaine telling me how to make rock!) where there are more men than women and needless to say nothing of any interest has come out of there except maybe my friend simon who didn't need 6 points in songwriting to be awesumnal. at my work i am the only woman, i am receptionist at a vehicle testing station so its not very surprising.

di smith (lucylurex), Thursday, 26 September 2002 01:13 (twenty-three years ago)

sorry if that was all irrelevant.

di smith (lucylurex), Thursday, 26 September 2002 01:17 (twenty-three years ago)

Number of women working for my company (out of about 60 or so) = 3! One in marketing, one receptionist/admin person and the HR manager.


everyone else on there will be expert linux kernel patchers who've been coding since age 2, having no social skills but plenty of fond memories of Manic Miner really isn't good enough


HEY! I wasn't a linux kernel patcher, and I hadn't programmed AT ALL between the ages of 10 and 20!

RickyT (RickyT), Thursday, 26 September 2002 07:53 (twenty-three years ago)

Although I am a grebt haxx0r I stand by the opinion that in the workplace it is always best to pretend you know NOTHING.

This after a huge giant meeting which I spent happily snoozing, until 3/4 the way through I hear my name being volunteered to give every cockfarmer I.T training. For 7.50 p/h you can shove it mate. I have so far not given anyone I.T training. Haha or I will start with the lines "learn how to do this" and THEN come to me saying "oh dere I do not know how to do a meeting request or use voting buttons".

Sarah (starry), Thursday, 26 September 2002 08:52 (twenty-three years ago)

strangely enough there are loads of blokes down at the job centre.

Sarah, agencies yesterday were telling me that I'd be looking at 6 to 8 quid an hour for temping jons, this is what I was getting six years ago when I first moved to London and didn't have 5 years experience of handling millions of pounds worth of stock every day, the cunts.

chris (chris), Thursday, 26 September 2002 08:57 (twenty-three years ago)

temping jobs, although at this rate I may be temping Jons :o(

chris (chris), Thursday, 26 September 2002 08:58 (twenty-three years ago)

All the men have gone into hiding so they can't be sent to war.

toraneko (toraneko), Thursday, 26 September 2002 10:58 (twenty-three years ago)

5 years experience of handling millions of pounds worth of stock every day, the cunts


You're still putting that stuff about your grand theft stationery-cupboard experience on your CV then?

N. (nickdastoor), Thursday, 26 September 2002 11:03 (twenty-three years ago)

oh di that rock degree sounds so stupid. i'm glad yr not doing it

Elisabeth (Elisabeth), Thursday, 26 September 2002 11:31 (twenty-three years ago)

Mostly men round my way too, or rather boys, boys and their record bags. The thing that most threw me doing a week working on a teenage girls magazine was the real difference in the office atmosphere with a nearly all female environment.

Anna (Anna), Thursday, 26 September 2002 12:06 (twenty-three years ago)

Did you like it?

N. (nickdastoor), Thursday, 26 September 2002 12:10 (twenty-three years ago)

Even with loads of new people there's still only one girl in my year on my Media Tech degree, apparently all the new people transferred from computer games or something. There's loads of girls in the year above though.

Graham (graham), Thursday, 26 September 2002 12:17 (twenty-three years ago)

Since I started work I've almost always worked in predominantly male companies, the one time I took a job where it was predominantly female I hated it. They were all so girlie, and because I didn't wanna talk about the latest Safeway Savers (I swear to god they used to bring in the leaflet and discuss it a teabreak) I was a freak. Any blokes that did work there kept well out of it and were totally quiet around the females, no dirty jokes, no football talk, no " I got so pissed this weekend I woke up in a field/a bin/a strange bed/a gutter" type conversations, complete pants!

Anonymous (Anonymous), Thursday, 26 September 2002 12:21 (twenty-three years ago)

It was just different. I was so used to a working environment that was very much 'I got so 'whatever' this weekend that I woke up in 'wherever' and general piss-taking. I had learned to give as good as I got and quite enjoyed the silly banter. With more women around I found myself tempering a lot of what I would have said in case I came across as too aggressive. It was pleasant to not have to compete, to be quicker, funnier, ruder, all the time, but then I think I'd rather have someone rip me to shreds in a jokey manner than send a quiet faux-concerned e-mail to another collegue.

Anna (Anna), Thursday, 26 September 2002 12:50 (twenty-three years ago)

I totally agree, I'd prefer to work with men anyday! Men just get straight to the point, if you piss them off they tell you, you have it out and that's it, no whispering in corners, impromtu bursts of tears and clandestine meetings.
Not really doing much for equality here am I?

Pline (Anonymous), Thursday, 26 September 2002 13:07 (twenty-three years ago)

Anonymous why do you keep posting things agreeing with yourself?

Everyone in my 'team' is a bloke - our marketing and communications person is a woman. This despite market research being a famously female industry.

Tom (Groke), Thursday, 26 September 2002 13:15 (twenty-three years ago)

I have a split personality.

Anonymous (Anonymous), Thursday, 26 September 2002 13:17 (twenty-three years ago)

Working (well, intermittently) in the offices of a fashion magazine is quite weird. The office where I work has an editorial staff comprised of one woman at the top with a gay male and straight male 'team' under her. The fashion team is, weirdly for the industry, a straight guy, a gay guy and various female assistants. The designers and tech people are pretty well split evenly, and the advertising lot are a guy in charge plus female 'executives'. The creative director has an annoying wife who likes to put her oar in, plus a posh girl who speaks five languages for an assistant. The place is refreshing because in terms of race, gender and sexuality, from staff to freelance contributors, it's a really nice, even distribution and there's none of that class-based bullshit you find at (cough) more established magazines. But hedonism and dieting seem to feature in equal measures.

suzy (suzy), Friday, 27 September 2002 10:25 (twenty-three years ago)

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