Best mom ever or worst mom ever?

another picture shows a young male with another nearly nude dancer on top of him with her legs around his head.

momming pretty hard there

wow

at the very least this is the best way to endanger the welfare of a child

She's the worst. At this rate she'll destroy any initiative the boy has. He needs to learn how to hire strippers all on his own.

CNN affiliate WRGB visited the Viger home and encountered a man who said the family "was not making statements at this time, due to the nearly nude dancers on top of them with their legs around [the family's] heads."

Boy still remains in a grinning coma, unavailable for comment

the way to raise a future GHB carrier

I just want to know what type of bowling alley lets in strippers to give teens and their moms lapdances, that all seems super counter-intuitive to me and I've been in some sketchy bowling alleys

Can anyone actually provide a sensible breakdown of the exact ways this child's welfare was endangered? And not some moral bullshit, like real dangers.

Al's Sexxxy Bowling + Strip club

simultaneously with the creation of this thread, this buzzfeed link showed up on my facebook. nsfw

http://www.buzzfeed.com/bennyjohnson/23-pieces-of-advice-for-moms-taking-a-selfie

Can anyone actually provide a sensible breakdown of the exact ways this child's welfare was endangered? And not some moral bullshit, like real dangers.

chlamydia of the face

eye crabs

generally putting underage children (gender not mattering here) in a sexual situation is considered child endangerment. i believe that legally, any sexual act (and this has to be at least close to crossing the line??) involving a child is sexual abuse.

whiplash

acute priapism

exact same scenario as a situation where a father takes his 15 yr old daughter to a male stripper, but of course since for boys this is some 'rite of passage' bullshit it's considered ok but maybe just a damaging.

So, this lady got pregnant with the kid when she was 16?

chronic proptosis

this is really not cool and as pointed out is more or less child abuse in law but i still feel obliged to vote "best mom ever"

Sigh

lots of people have kids at 16, but don't furnish strippers for their kids' parties.

Can anyone actually provide a sensible breakdown of the exact ways this child's welfare was endangered? And not some moral bullshit, like real dangers.

― Poliopolice, Thursday, February 21, 2013 1:34 PM (10 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

there were a bunch of kids at this party, parents of the other kids (who didn't know what was going to happen) brought the complaints to police

So, this lady got pregnant with the kid when she was 16?

lol this was the first thing that occurred to me too

the other thing about this story is that it seems the biggest thing one could do that would undermine any hypothetical cool points you might accrue by hiring strippers for your kid's party is to get a lap dance from one of them in front of him and his friends

if it were my kids who went to this party, idk if i'd be moved to get the law involved but i'd for damn sure be screaming at this stupid mother

I would absolutely be getting the law involved

the thing I'm unsure of, because I don't have kids yet, is whether I would or would not be laughing my ass off at the ludicrous stupidity of the situation behind closed doors

yeah i mean damn i guess it's hot when a woman gets down with a female stripper in front of you but if it's your mom that's a bridge way too far

oh man if I had kids that went to this party I wouldn't hesitate to get the law involved. voted "best" obv

this happened

http://mynewshub.my/wp-content/uploads/Judy-Viger.jpg

is this partly, perhaps, an inevitable consequence of a growing acceptance of strip clubs as being "a bit of a laugh" in some sections of the culture?

I am going to go out on a limb here and say "hell no"

the thing I'm unsure of, because I don't have kids yet, is whether I would or would not be laughing my ass off at the ludicrous stupidity of the situation behind closed doors

i'm kinda more outraged as somebody who has to deal with child protection issues professionally, and yeah this is horribly wrong, and i still want to laugh my ass off at the ludicrous stupidity

i mean this kid's probably already a douchebag but she's helping to usher him into "point of no return" territory

She probably thought it was cool because she was there with the strippers. Trying to think using terrible parent logic, failing.

it's not really the same as "it's ok for them to have one beer under adult supervision" tho is it?

this scenario is so ridiculous I keep inserting American Dad! characters into it

that's more about my belief that american life is over-penalized than about the severity of this particular incident. because no, i don't think that this really rises the level or spirit of "endangerment".

let's say the situation was this mom took a bunch of minor kids rock climbing or skydiving w/o their parents knowing, that absolutely would be, and i wouldn't hesitate to call the cops. but i don't think that would make the news, would it

xps to myself

parents shouldn't be cool imo

c'mon guys it's no big deal, mom was there to make sure things didn't get out of control

mom = Francine
kids = Steve and friends
stripper = Roger

xxxp

what about if you showed a bunch of minors a porno movie?

"my mom and i are best friends, basically" is a statement that usually masks a ton of weird neurosis and silent resentments

xxxp

what about if you showed a bunch of minors a porno movie?

― tochter tochter, please (Noodle Vague), Thursday, February 21, 2013 1:56 PM (5 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

steely dan has a song about this

lol if anything i think this type of behavior is worse because it teaches kids something kind of foul (and i don't mean whatever that stripper's taint smelt of)

xp yeah it was going thru my head as i typed

what about if you showed a bunch of minors a porno movie?

you mean the Internet?

i realize that there is probably a sharper ethic of professional responsibility re: minors among outdoor activity providers than performers like this...

xp NV i hate to give you a jaded answer but the idea of minors needing an adult exhibitor to finally see pornography seems reeeally quaint to me

there's a hell of a difference between minors sneaking a look at porn and an adult actively showing it to them, which is why the latter is treated as sexual abuse

I guess you articulate why there's some impetus to, but like I said, come on, it does get actually tiring.

we're all very perky and awake over here

could be the coffee though

But this doesnt push that boundary. It's about in sight of the boundary, you're ok-ing yr kid into a sexualised environment, but it's a long way off incest, and not terribly far in the direction of incest tbh

al leong, is it okay for me to ask who you used to post as?

xp I didn't think the issue was the sexual boundary between parent and child but rather more the lesson that we are perceiving this incident teaches the child?

adults and kids in a sexual relationship is not always incest, and I don't believe incest is the driver behind the problems people are having with this woman's actions

xp: al leong = omar little

yeah and the other children xp

no, it's the question of a person being put in a sexual position they're incapable of consenting to.

i hear you sleepingbag, i can't say i'm exactly outraged about this myself, the way i would be if it was about rape. but i am a teacher, we have a standard of professional behavior w/ our kids, sadly not unheard of for colleagues to slip across that line, so for me it's a pertinent discussion.

slipping into idiocy here BUT what if the woman simulates sex and the kid busts in his pants? is it still simulated?

Heh nm i shouldnt try to read while driving obv

it's certainly sTimulated

i can understand that reaction too, sleepingbag -- the reason this story is in our faces is the same prurient drive that stripping lives on in the first instance (cnn = the bad mom)

whereas more straightforward child endangerment and abuse is not really newsworthy, both heartbreaking and boring all at once.

Xp he should def tip 20%

y'know i was being sarky about the simulated thing, i don't think you cd call this simulated sexual activity at all really. it is sexual activity, unless you're in Clintonworld

more seriously, if you are actually bringing someone to orgasm I believe you can throw the word "simulation" out the window along with the wadded-up tissues

http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-ash3/161746_100000002204560_6779199_q.jpg

<3

omg it just occurred to me what a miserable gig this would be for the strippers. what kind of cash are a bunch of 16 y/os gonna bring to a bowling alley?

yeah but the Facebook adds could bring in extra business

i bet if you could somehow quantify the amount of emotional damage it causes to get your kid a stripper it would look like a bell curve, peaking around, i dunno, 6-12 years old

i wonder if the curve would be different for guys or girls. imagine getting a young girl a male stripper. that's not right. but that invokes a lot more prudishness on my part than the opposite, i think. or maybe like somebopdy said upthread it just *looks* more like common sexual abuse?

slipping into idiocy here BUT what if the woman simulates sex and the kid busts in his pants? is it still simulated?

for me at 15 this was a definite possibility. i dunno guys 16 is pretty old. that would have been middle aged like 500 years ago.

I was sort of hoping the mom gave the strippers a big tip but then again she brought them to a party at a bowling alley so how big could that tip possibly be

"you did an excellent job wrapping your legs around my son's head, please accept this coupon to Red Lobster"

xp it's true, that's why there's "romeo & juliet" laws where two 16 yo can be considered either consenting or not guilty of statuatory rape

al leong = omar little

You're shitting me.

omg.

ha!

yeah there are patriarchal dynamics in play here as well which is why public and media reaction to male teachers having relationships with female pupils is often quite different to female teachers and male pupils

I'm usually good at identifying people too. Man.

don't scoff @ the cheese biscuits DJP

i thought it was common knowledge, i figured my disguise was basically

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l32bnjpnf01qzb0x0.gif

the reason this story is in our faces is the same prurient drive that stripping lives on in the first instance (cnn = the bad mom)

CNN is seriously the worst mom

let's not forget that the age range of the party goers was 14 to 16, folks

I mean, I agree it's not as terrible as an 8-year-old getting a lap dance but not everyone there was approaching what we consider to be "legal"

x-post - lol. I've been a little out of it lately but I just hadn't caught on.

what do you think their bowling scores were like

straight 69s

X X X

http://thatschurch.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/tumblr_maq77ecMHG1qejf6u.gif

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vw9sQ98s9AE

omg

hahahaha

You know, I've known about the gobble,gobble exchange for years but I don't know that I've ever seen that clip. Dear Christ.

love his "enh?"

hahaha I thought about Gigli too but I thought it might be too far off to bring up

late great doing good work itt, djp also.

i'm not parent, doubtful I will be but parents dragging their kids into sexualization rather than letting it, ugh, idk, naturally take it's course is SUPER gross to me. Especially when it's in the realm of procuring porn/strippers etc for them.

the line for me is is: sixteen year olds procuring a stripper for their own party under assumed names and fake id's or whatever is sad and dumb. a parent procuring a stripper for a 16yo's party is fucking insane and no good is ever going to come of that kind of parenting, I don't care if you live in freaking Denmark or Illinois.

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an adult showing sexual imagery to minors is treated as a sign of sexual abuse because it's one of the ways that predatory adults groom kids for sex

Would you see the situation differently if the son (and all attendees) were 17, the age of consent in NY state? Obviously, it's a weird thing for a parent to do etc.

lol @ prudle vague itt

otm, no-ogle staid imo

well there was that book that the U of MN press put out a few years ago, controversial...

― goole, Thursday, February 21, 2013 2:49 PM (1 week ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is the book i meant

http://www.upress.umn.edu/book-division/books/harmful-to-minors

goole has been way otm itt imo

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alarmingly close

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