why is a rockist 70s poll running?

or more to the point why is there an anti pop anti disco
anti electronic white rockpoll that started in october
still running?
i had hoped ilm and ag had got over that sickness.

"Rockist", not heard that in a while

I guess there's just a meanness in this world.

Hello, is your rockist 70's poll running?

AG = Algerian Goalkeeper? Yeah, that dude only likes white music.

the sad state of the world today

AG = Algerian Goalkeeper? Yeah, that dude only likes white music.

As loathe as I am to stand up for his poll-running practices, he actually has a pretty healthy knowledge of large swaths of jazz and loves funk music deep down. The reason that poll is so exclusionary and focused on basically "white music" is that he feels like ILM mostly covers stuff that isn't that (and Tuomas has a disco poll coming down the pipeline).

Who gave the ok for this, which mod in particular, like?

geir

(xxp) uh I thought it was obvious I was being ironic there... but no

haha

xp
er, we don't have to have approval to start polls, do we?

Got yr back tom. Tho he is a fierce racist besides iirc

ilm needs more rockism imo

the main problem is that it's been going on for almost 5 months now, and the voting isn't even over

no approval to start polls, he says! what mod approved that post?

AG's is like the world's most enthusiastic funk fan ever - mind you he's like that about everything

i assume at least 4 of those 5 months were spent deliberating over what's allowed in the poll

the main problem is that it's been going on for almost 5 months now, and the voting isn't even over

― ( ( ( ( ( ( ( (Z S), Thursday, February 28, 2013 1:39 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

pfunkkkboy

xp
wait a second we don't need mod approval for each and every post do we??

oh wait a second i see wh

Poll that whitey music pfunkboy

Who Says a Funk Fan Can't Poll White Music?

i think these polls should have to wait in line like the rest of them, but as Tom mentioned, the scariest part of this whole thing is that we're letting AG continue the race war that jon/via/chi started

dude

k3vin

Ah fuckin tits what'd you do kev

Tetsuo pulse skipping somewhere deep in the bowels of the city rn

to answer the question in the OP: it is because ilm posters can start any poll they damn well please and the mods aren't such dicks as to censor a rockist poll just because it is rockist. they have better ways to spend their time.

why do you ask?

what if everyone else on ilm is just poppist...think about it man...

I'm a classicist

As pointed out upthread, there's a lot of funk being touted in that poll, so let's not completely misrepresent it.

I had hoped the poptimists had won and rockist
polls had been banished.

for the record i did not start this thread even though i brought up the october thing on that poll thread. but mostly cuz the thread title is rilly long and i've seen it forever. but i of course will defend to the death uh the right to have long drawn out whatevers wherever.

yes but now we're back for the direct-to-video sequel

a poll that covers rock music isn't rockist, a poll that covers all music and only ends up w/ rock music is rockist

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSvnIwg0lEA

if a poll starts in the woods, is it October?

Rocktober surely?

Gimme a sec dan i'll work up a bear shitting/communism line

The October Defecation

Logged in to the old mod account to see if the threadstarter was PEW. Results inconclusive.

fwiw the poll was postponed in October until after the EOY polls as Blount and I didn't have the time to do it justice. So it only resumed in feb so not exactly running for 5 months.

so it's been running for 2 months, walking in place for 3?

hahaha WMC otm

Also a complete lack of women nominated.
Doubtful any women are on the thread either. Polls should be for lols.

You're being passive aggresive

You're being fp'd

k8 of the world today

You're being passive aggressive

indeed why the hell not!

OK now I get it!

got to admit I'm a bit confused by a poll that covers mainstream rock as long as it is "hard and heavy", rock which isn't heavy as long as it's weird and not mainstream, and funk but only if it's not disco-related, and nothing in between - even if it's by an artist whose other albums meet these fairly arbitrary requirements

also suspecting that if this is the stuff that AG feels doesn't get enough Best 70s Ever love, not just in general but even in the previous ILM Alternative 70s poll, then one of these disparate strands may get short shrift here too and need yet another confusingly delineated poll

― susuwatari teenage riot (a passing spacecadet), Thursday, February 28, 2013 3:03 PM (5 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is otm. i have no problem with people having idiosyncratic personal canons but, like, chuck eddy just makes his own lists, he doesn't spend months and months corralling as many people as he can to play within the boundaries of 'metal' that only he understands. it's this weird mix of wanting others to participate while also wanting complete control over the boundaries that makes these AG polls kind of obnoxious and in a pretty different spirit than other fun silly ilm polls imo.

― steeny HOOSer (some dude), Thursday, February 28, 2013 9:07 PM (Yesterday)

y'know I never understood AG's idiosyncratic control freak approach until the 80s hard rock poll. I'm not a huge poll fan but I was mentally invested in that time period so I took part, and tho I can't logically justify his means I also can't argue with the results. they were weird and surprising and the rollout was a lot of fun, and some of his outlandish decisions really paid off (e.g. the massive number of albums in the rollout).

the 70s one has suffered from fits & starts & scattered focus but I'm looking forward to the rollout. yeah AG can get eye-rollingly overheated about this stuff and the beserker spamazon poll promotion is over the top, but he reminds me of another patience-straining super-enthusiastic poster who unfortunately is no longer with us, a guy whose contributions I regret dissing and dismissing while he was still around. AG's heart's in the right place and he does these polls out of 100% love for the music. I'm not gonna say his mind's in the right place but hey those of us without sin can cast the first rolling stone.

ps fuck talking heads

oh man one poll, the 80s poll, and im a control freak?? Man most of the 70s poll rules were decided by others. Inc you mr III!

and this poll was actually a bunch of people. balls,myself,sund4r,edward and hellhouse who got together to decide the parameters.

There were conflicting goals imo: polling an aesthetic (albums that rock) vs being somehow anti-canonical or anti-RS.

I see that I’ve been summoned back into what has apparently morphed into Meltdown Telethon of Hitler-Based Rockism v5.0, so I thought I’d hit a few of the poll’s historical highlights on what is now the fifth thread dedicated to this particular punishment channel.

the original idea was to run a 70s version of the recent 80s poll, but the concept hit the wall p. quickly b/c while a lot of the best hard rock in the 80s came from yet-to-be-canonized and generally unpolled underground/alt. sources, rock or "rock" or shit that rawks in the 70s had already been heavily polled and was also scattered across a blurred landscape of criss-crossing genres with unstable boundaries between known and occult artists. my .02 was to run a cracked anti-poll that 1) ditched disco, AOR, singer-songwriter shlock, prog and chart pop, 2) extended back to '67 to pick up Beefheart, VU, Silver Apples, garage rock, &c in a wide-angle birth-of-horrible-noise bit of historical framing, and 3) concentrated on a deliberately skewed stew of punk, postpunk, no wave, krautrock, funk, psych, minimalism and art rock/industrial (Residents, Cabaret Voltaire, Yoko, etc). there was even ~crazytalk~ of throwing out Sabbath, Stooges, Zep and Stones to give the anti-poll notion teeth, but this idea survived only in the symbolic Stones one-rec nom and in the labyrinthian rules intended to limit people from cramming their ballots w/ stuffed-trouser stomp. a number of the above ideas were discarded 'cause they were pragmatically unworkable or w/e, and over the course of four threads -

Nominations for a 70s 'Anti-Rolling Stone Canon ' style Albums Poll

ILX decides the Poll. 70s Rock Poll vs 70s all genre poll.

1967-1979 WTF - The Hard 'n' Heavy 'n' Loud + Krautrock, Arty, Noisy, Weird, Funky, Punky Shit - Albums Poll! Nominations ! (ends Oct 15)

1970-1979 WTF - The Hard 'n' Heavy 'n' Loud + Krautrock, Arty, Noisy, Weird, Funky, Punky Shit - Albums Poll! - VOTING THREAD! Closes Mar 8th 11.59 PM UK Time - All ILXORS/LURKERS WELCOME

- AG revamped the poll about fifteen times to the point where now itt he’s all “yeah, vote f/Styx + Judy Collins, IDGAF just vote”, but in fairness this poll has weathered numerous setbacks and is still going so more power to him, 'cause it's really all his poll at this point (I agree w/Sund4r that AG and Balls both had the final word on the poll's parameters).

AG, I’ll prob. still do a ballot btw even though as EIII mentioned I’m crushed f/time these days (must.vote.for.Red.Transistor).

yeah i wanted to do the 67-79 as you know but the others were against us as they wanted a 60s poll after it.

I was put in an awkward position and had to go with the flow and im sorry it pissed you off so much you wouldnt contribute since. But I cant do these polls on my own. the 80s poll was 100% me and i could stick to the vision but it wasn't like that with the 70s poll. Sadly i couldnt please anyone and found it easier to postpone it for a while.

I hope you do campaign in the final week, vote and participate in the rollout. I also hope balls can find the time to do so too as this poll wouldn't have existed without him.

ps Id NEVER say 'vote styx'

SO TAKE IT BACK!!!!!

I actually campaigned quite a bit back in October, but then the storm hit and I've been working nonstop since, and I haven't had the time to sift through 1000 recs. the poll has a shitload of v. cool nominations and people are repping f/great + oddball recs that are turning others on to more obscure artists, so you've hit the target. I just wanted to set the record straight on whose poll this is. no hard feelings, 'cause the poll I wanted to do was too warped to be feasible tbh.

xxp

(I feel the, uh, presence of the "vote f/Styx" flag o' surrender itt, but will concede that you are not in fact pimping Dennis DeYoung's sac).

hellhouse

sockpoll

why are you calling hellhouse a sock?

damn sockists

hellhouse

― buzza, Friday, March 1, 2013 10:50 PM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

buzza

white socks only in this poll

hellhouse please tell me who you previously posted as! i cant work it out.

― Algerian Goalkeeper

500 points, 2 first place votes

hellhouse is chaki/nude spock fyi

― lag∞n, Wednesday, 22 August 2012 16:14 (6 months ago) Permalink

If only

tbr i'm glad you have this fun poll xp

dudes I've known hellhouse for almost 30 years, he is 100% irl person

tbf 30 years is only 15 years if you're talking about the same person twice.

http://subs.greeksubtitles.info/images/imdb/70294.jpg

buzza is hellhouse?

hellhouse is other people

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_DMsD-sMbk

is hellhouse the same person as helltime producto? remember that guy?

I remember that guy. He was cool! Always wondered what happened to him or if he posts under another name?

hellhouse is a feeling

hellhouse is more than a feeling?

Edward III yr a fuckin good dude and I enjoy your posts and I'm just gonna say that here

Hello, is your rockist 70's poll running?

― sleepingbag, Thursday, February 28, 2013 11:27 AM (2 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Well you better go catch it! Ha ha ha.

Well, we all had a good laugh there didn't we? This concludes this thread, thank you for your continued interest in threads and support thereof.

©MMXIII ILX

right back at atcha aero you are a class act

...NOW VOTE DAMN YOU ->:-|

Ugh this thread had mad clusterfuck promise now it's all clusterforeplay at best

well it was revealed that like 80% of the posters therein were really AG so it woulda been a clusterwank really

damn I only asked if you wanted a backrub darraghmac relax

Sorry man yr hands were cold is all

is hellhouse GC from UA? i miss UA. funny stuff, man. i never see old copies of that.

I am the only 'me' in here

wow scott you are good

right church wrong pew tho

I've been scanning a bunch of old issues, I can send you some links unless you need to feel the paper

hellhouse is PEW? hmm I can see that

pew is also a term for a long bench in a house of worship

this is how rumors start

phew!

wagehouse is HELL

ftr PEW hasn't voted

So I assume he's not lurking around ILX anymore and has been seen off by the mods.

so it's been running for 2 months, walking in place for 3?

― my super interesting Kant story (DJP),

It could be 3 if the tabulator-in-chief isn't around. Think he's way too busy to do it (understandable and ok but i wish i knew for sure when I'd just extend voting until he can do it). So your nightmares may continue!

threads like this make me feel alive.

are there no parks where you live?

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