"Habemus Papam" - we have a Pope.

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/66376000/jpg/_66376891_66376886.jpg

that was real fast, no?

"Habemus papadam" - we have papadam

hope he's like Paul II: " He boasted that if elected pope he would buy each cardinal a villa to escape the summer heat."

Hero.

Has anybody written a murder mystery set at a papal conclave? If not, why not

I thought that was Dan Brown's whole raison d'etre

Cant imagine the new Pope being anything other than Italian.

pic at top needs Mary Poppins floating in

There was that little-known thing from a few years back.

xxp hah

dammit y'all are too fast for me

pope nilmar i

keep expecting at least 1 person in this crowd to flash boobs for the BBC cameras

i'm sure whoever is chosen will be great

for me to pope on

"Habemus peplum" - we have a peplum

acutal lol xp

"Habemus pablum" - honor the fire

nice

"Habemus frappem" -- "Did you want room for cream?"

Habemus pabst - we have shitty beer

lol cnn never change

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYvb5CiUt6s

Pope is stealing my Poll thunder!

"Habemus fremme neppa venettibam"

MSNBC talking about how a new Pope is a pleasant distraction to the shitty reality of modern Italy.

this feels as exciting as the last time and I didn't think it would be

We're do for a long pope now though right? So the younger contenders are the most likely.

ugh that CNN clip 'uhm i'm seeing kind of an ~ecru~ smoke, not sure if it's white, nope definitely looks like a vanilla, ivory, definitely not white...'

Who has a what now

this has never felt exciting to me, this time didn't disappoint either

I wish I could be the pope.

'this smoke can be historically tricky'

just wait until the new Pope walks out and it's Seth McFarlane

Supposedly any practicing Catholic in good standard could become Pope!

that was real fast, no?

makes sense - i heard they were in a rush to get new one installed for easter

I am not a practicing catholic in good standing, though I was baptized so that's something.

I forgot to include the $100 registration fee :(

Habemus checkus

"Hmmm gee I dunno Anderson, it looks too thin to be smoke, could it be fog we're seeing?"

'were gonna be completely transparent here it could just be special effects'

guys

you're not following K-Lo's tweets

Kathryn Jean Lopez ‏@kathrynlopez
A bird keeps landing on the chimney. I hope not at the wrong time.

Kathryn Jean Lopez ‏@kathrynlopez
I can't tell you how exciting it is to be here! What love for the Church in this square. #Roma #conclave

good call

maybe Psychic TV will do new acid house pope tracks for the new guy. hope so those were great

Kathryn Jean Lopez ‏@kathrynlopez
There is something quite beautiful about mystical body of Christ gathered in hopeful anticipation for a holy father

im guessin Archbishop of Milan, least adventurous choice

K-Lo tweeting about Pope birds, I can't even

Kathryn Jean Lopez ‏@kathrynlopez
have i mentioned rome is wifi h-e-double-hockeysticks? or you'd have a lot more from me!!! off to a cbn interview.

I read all about the smoke thing -- its all chemistry and science now so they don't get false alarms.

They should through other stuff in the fire to make it more exciting -- Green Smoke! Yellow Smoke!

surely we're all going to hell for voting for Obama

my mom voted for Obama! but i haven't heard from her since she passed.

*i* voted for Obama in Feb 2008.

so, if you are reuinted with all of your friends and family in Heaven, and Heaven is anything like the Garden of Eden, doesn't that maybe imply that Heaven might be an eternal bonedown with your deceased ancestors?

I sat through a sermon about how Heaven was basically the best sex of your life, only it was something even better than sex, and you would be having it with Jesus, every day for eternity

I assumed the pastor & his wife had boned the night before

habemus tantra

no lazy Sundays in heaven

i thought there was no laughing in heaven:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1XZO10S-9s

I assume it's hard to laugh with a mouth full of genitals

lol you 'assume' suuure

well that's why Roman Polanski said you can't laugh and come at the same time

I assume it's hard to laugh with a mouth full of genitals

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Paul_II

xp well it's hard to find a 13 year old with a sense of humour sophisticated enough to test that i spose

My friend had a girlfriend who giggled when she came

what did he say when you told him?

he just told you

gimme a girlfriend who comes when she giggles and i'd be set

That why Bobby Davro was such a stud

i would just like to mention, original sin is also sometimes called hereditary sin. the line outdoorfish has been pushing certainly sounds consistent with some of the christian interpretations i've heard.

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/11312a.htm

Original sin may be taken to mean: (1) the sin that Adam committed; (2) a consequence of this first sin, the hereditary stain with which we are born on account of our origin or descent from Adam.

From the earliest times the latter sense of the word was more common, as may be seen by St. Augustine's statement: "the deliberate sin of the first man is the cause of original sin" (De nupt. et concup., II, xxvi, 43). It is the hereditary stain that is dealt with here. As to the sin of Adam we have not to examine the circumstances in which it was committed nor make the exegesis of the third chapter of Genesis.

"Original Sin" also the name of a fantastic INXS song

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egDJc1HhiZ4

btw goole wtf is this??

In 2009, Lutherans and Catholics celebrated the 10th anniversary of the signing of the Joint Declaration on Doctrine of Justification -- recognized as a significant achievement in the history of Christian ecumenical relations. Signed by representatives of The Lutheran World Federation and the Catholic Church in Augsburg, Germany, the agreement declares that The Lutheran World Federation and the Catholic Church have reached a common understanding on justification, agreeing that believers are saved by faith in Jesus Christ and not by works.

huh

Funny, I thought 'works' were a sign of faith for Catholics.

it's their fremme neppa venette, so to speak

yeah j idk it's news to me too

sorry about the thirty years war lol!!

http://www.americancatholic.org/messenger/jun2000/feature2.asp

i can't really tell who lost what and who's saving face here

That reminds me of a Borges story

Yeah, some of what OutdoorFish was talking about reminded me of the Gnostic/Platonic views of matter v spirit.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoplatonism_and_Christianity

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gnosticism_and_the_New_Testament#Ethics

Of course, there's also groups such as the Shakers.

Via NYT: 'In a long interview with an Argentine newspaper in 2010, Cardinal Bergoglio defended his behavior during the dictatorship.' Not an encouraging sentence to read about anyone, much less a pope.

Vatican II offered the promise of a church that communicated openly with the modern world. It specifically repudiated the church’s history of anti-Semitism and vowed to pursue dialogue with non-Catholics and non-Christians of many stripes. It held out the possibility of a new dogmatic flexibility in which the church would assert the truth of the Christian Gospels while permitting freedom of conscience on a wide range of issues. Millions of learned words have been written on what was and was not addressed or implied in the ambiguous Latin prose crafted by the bishops and scholars of Vatican II, but it might be fair to sum it all up this way: No specific promises were made about changing church policy on priestly celibacy or the role of women or the moral status of homosexuality or the decentralization of Vatican power. But it was implied or understood by many participants and observers that those issues were potentially on the table, and at least you wouldn’t be punished or excommunicated for discussing them.

There was an ideological counterattack against Vatican II almost immediately, with Cardinal Ratzinger as its intellectual leader, and that became the dominant current in the church hierarchy after the ascension of John Paul II in 1978. Fox believes that the last two popes, John Paul II and Benedict XVI, departed so far from both the letter and spirit of Vatican II — which should have been viewed as the authoritative teachings of the church — that they should be considered “schismatic,” or illegitimate. “In the Catholic tradition, a council trumps a pope,” he says. “A pope does not trump a council.” (In the great tradition of Catholic intellectuals, he cites precedence in the Council of Constance, convened in 1414, which fired three warring popes and appointed a new one.) “What’s happened since John Paul II is that he and Ratzinger have turned back all the basic principles of Vatican II. I would include the principle of freedom of conscience, the principle that theologians have a right to think. They brought the Inquisition back, there’s no question about it.”

http://www.salon.com/2013/03/16/is_pope_francis_a_fraud/

rhetoric needs lancing

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jul/16/vatican-indulgences-pope-francis-tweets

Indulgences these days are granted to those who carry out certain tasks – such as climbing the Sacred Steps, in Rome (reportedly brought from Pontius Pilate's house after Jesus scaled them before his crucifixion), a feat that earns believers seven years off purgatory.

But attendance at events such as the Catholic World Youth Day, in Rio de Janeiro, a week-long event starting on 22 July, can also win an indulgence.

Mindful of the faithful who cannot afford to fly to Brazil, the Vatican's sacred apostolic penitentiary, a court which handles the forgiveness of sins, has also extended the privilege to those following the "rites and pious exercises" of the event on television, radio and through social media.

"That includes following Twitter," said a source at the penitentiary, referring to Pope Francis' Twitter account, which has gathered seven million followers. "But you must be following the events live. It is not as if you can get an indulgence by chatting on the internet."

cmon

What the h

embracing new avenues of faith is all

a link to paypal is close to hand i'd imagine

paypal? bull.

rah

i thought they'd abolished purgatory ages back?

dead-child limbo got downgraded a few back but I think purgatory is still around

few years back

ah yeah that's probably it

Theyve isolated it as an offshore profit centre iirc

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-23489702

This is pretty significant.

"The problem is not having this orientation," he said. "We must be brothers. The problem is lobbying by this orientation, or lobbies of greedy people, political lobbies, Masonic lobbies, so many lobbies. This is the worse problem."

Moving forward on homosexuality but not closing his eyes to the dangers of MASONS. Good work pope.

Despite it being reported as such - this really isn't a step forward in any way. According to Catholic Social Teaching being gay is not inherently sinful, and the orthodox Catholic view on homosexuals is that they should be treated with equality. They mustn't ever actually act on their desires though - as per the Catechism (which Pope Francis references) 'Every baptised person is called to lead a chaste life ... Among the sins gravely contrary to chastity are masturbation, fornication, pornography, and homosexual practices'.

The media have clearly decided that the narrative for this new Pope is that he is a wonderful chap who will bring the church into the 21st century. While many of the things he has done thus far are admirable, particularly around messages of justice and economic equality, he is still a conservative on matters of sexuality.

It's a step forward in terms of popular perception surely? I mean it's probably too much to expect the Catholic Church to suddenly drop all hangups about sex outside marriage but equally have you heard any Pope previously talk like that?

The lobbying stuff is pretty dodgy admittedly.

All this shows is what narrative the media has chosen for Pope Cuddlestein. It seems that all that has happened is:

Reporter: Women priests?
Pope: Nah
Reporter: Gay priests?
Pope: The Catechism is clear on this, who am I to argue?

The language Pope Francis uses is clearly much more humble/approachable than his predeccessors - which is positive if you care about how the general public feel about the Pope.

blandford OTM

for sure

there are definitely homosexual lobbying groups but afaik the HRC is not aligned with freemasonry

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/10/world/europe/the-popes-on-the-line-and-everyones-talking.html?hp

lol ahm tha pope, ahl call who ah wahnt