midsized "cool" cities whose residents are overly angry about outsiders moving in and messing up their scene

ie austin, chapel hill (at least 12 years ago), portland (i assume), asheville

what's their deal

Boulder, CO

to be clear, i don't care what their deal is, i just want to make fun of them

when i was graduating from college we went to chapel hill to look around and see if we wanted to live there and some guy made a snide remark about too many people moving to chapel hill and now i'm so so glad we didn't end up moving to chapel hill

way to keep it positive

ime (and as a native portlander who still lives here) portlanders are not really that pissed about this b/c most portlanders themselves did this to portland over the past 3-5-10-20 years.

like the only people who ever complain about this are people who moved here in the past couple of years.

(i could also be totally wrong about this b/c i don't talk to anybody ever about anything)

that's probably a fair generalization for most of these cities

not a midsized city and only moderately "cool" in the same sense but anytime i read an article on los angeles where someone gently needles the city or suggests (x) type of food might be better in the city of (y), people tend to get overly angry. lots of "MOVE BACK TO THE TUNDRA" comments.

http://www.theonion.com/articles/pretty-cute-watching-boston-residents-play-daily-g,31554/

No! Keep the Tundra weird!!! xp

Parochialism lives!

not mid-sized, and not US... Berlin.

Maybe SF is too big, but I have heard so much whining about this shit lately

"lately"

I love when it's generational; damn kids are ruining all the cool shit from back in my day.

They're ruining the stuff we ruined!

Especially reviled: Computer dudes who countercommute to the south bay.

Every morning I see the Genentech bus and the Google bus on their way to the antipodes.

http://m.wsj.net/video/20100706/070610hubpm2/070610hubpm2_512x288.jpg

Tautologies are tautalogical

how is Portland not the first post

oh it is haha

Maybe SF is too big, but I have heard so much whining about this shit lately

tbf we have been inundated with a bunch of money-grubbing youngsters lately

basically dotcom boom v2.0 and it's just as annoying as it was then imho

LOL

If only we could be inundated with geriatric ascetics

whatever the cons are, the boom in austin has led to a shit ton of awesome places to eat and drink, so bring it.

what's not to love about geriatric ascetics!

I wish my upstairs neighbors were geriatric ascetics.

they're quiet, they're never in a hurry to get anywhere, they aren't constantly checking their mobile devices, they don't drive up rents

Isnt this gentrification

I wouldn't go that far, I'm just annoyed by young people with more money than they know what to do with, they're obnoxious.

i don't give a fuck abt money or w/e but when people move to ny to go to college it's easy to spot by their complete lack of subway etquette. feet up on the seats. giant backpacks on the seats. etc etc.

how is Portland not the first post

Allow me to be the first to invite you, Shakey, to come to Portland and mess up my 'scene' whenever you feel the urge. It would be a delight and a pleasure to have you live out the rest of your days in our fair, overly angry, city.

I usually visit Portland at least twice a year fwiw (in-laws)

a lot of people in denver (or colorado in general) are like this. like "denver useda be all cool, now it's just new yorkers and californians ooooh!" which i guess is true, my wife is from NY and I'm from california. in this case, it's usually code for "the liberals are coming!!!" i think.

granted all the people I know in Portland are transplants from Chicago, San Diego, and San Francisco lol. I love Portland tho! fun city

feel like Austin has outgrown this since the mid-90s. They've moved on to making fun of the lame-os who live in Georgetown and Round Rock

Shitty traffic and downtown being expensive are just part of the Austin experience now.

a lot of people in denver (or colorado in general) are like this. like "denver useda be all cool, now it's just new yorkers and californians ooooh!" which i guess is true, my wife is from NY and I'm from california. in this case, it's usually code for "the liberals are coming!!!" i think.

― tylerw, Thursday, March 14, 2013 10:51 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Right after I moved to Boulder, my friend and I caught shit from a bartender because she had an NY driver's license and I had a CA license.

If only we could be inundated with geriatric ascetics

― Canaille help you (Michael White), Thursday, March 14, 2013 3:28 PM (23 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i was thinking last night as i lie in bed how i haven't seen you around ilx lately and envisioning my resultant post to the Milk Carton thread. welcome back!

ha the bartender was probably from massachusetts or pennsylvania. no one is actually from boulder.

There was a time when Oregon was struggling under the load of new immigrants from California and elsewhere who simply did not fit in nor did they care to. It brought much friction, esp in the smaller Oregon towns.

atm, immigrants to Portland are not seen as a threat to some insular Oregonian way-of-life. The newbies tend to care about the place and want to live here and be happy, as opposed to just perching here, building walls and ignoring their neighbors as so many Cali immigrants did a few decades back, with their pockets full of cash from selling their overpriced houses down south. imo, the recent newbies improve the tone around here, not otherwise. they're engaged and engaging.

aimless and i are literally the only two native oregonians in the world tho

salt lake is the reverse of this, we try to impress the transplants (except if you're from socal, then you make other friends who are from socal). we may be sarcastically impressed but we're still impressed. then we take care of the baby.

jack cole was a native but he hasn't been sighted on ilx for a while now

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mbjg4kfrEC1r4ydavo1_500.jpg
♫ Washed Out, "Feel It All Around" ♫

i know a dozen people in l.a. who are moving to or planning on moving to portland, or so it seems. they're friendly sorts, accept them kindly. i think they're just psyched that 300k would be able to get them a good house in a decent neighborhood rather than a shack nestled between a drug house and a serial murderer's body stash bungalow.

300k will get them a palace m/l

I WAS LOOKING AT MOVING TO CO USING THIS LOTTERY SYSTEM I DESIGNED

there's always been crazy money in colorado, it's just in more places now

otm

If iatee can come to Oakland and not find any of the cool stuff that gives me hope that I will still be able to afford the place for awhile.

that one art show that happens once a month

aka the one day a month I refuse to go downtown lol

in the random CO town i live in you can rent a pretty sweet house for less than i paid for a one bedroom in boston in 2003.

places that have cool stuff that tourists can find are generally not very "cool"

chicago

which random town?

looked at a bunch of diff ones, idk. not Aspen.

discreet: Yeah, Seattle's finally along the way to catching up to Vancouver in becoming MegaArtisanMallLand. It took about 5 years for that to start, probably due to October 2008 & WaMu's death. Selfish Me is happy my partner and I bought a townhouse in Greenwood for cheap in '09. The only thing from it becoming even more expensive is the relatively crappy public transit.

I still enjoy Seattle, but much more now for the non-retail amenities like parks, walks, the occasionally urban decay, more house parties & get-togethers & friends & trivia nights, etc.

My favorite new part of the greater city is Eastgate (in Bellevue.) Aside from being mostly concrete along I-90, it's nice to know there's such a thing as good Indian food everywhere and Lil' Jon Restaurant.

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5060/5489482190_34a58c7205_z.jpg

I'll bet their cherry pie is worth a stop.

乒乓, if I ever have to move back to the east coast, Philadelphia is my most likely destination.

― carl agatha, Friday, March 15, 2013 5:48 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

nice!

I'll bet their cherry pie is worth a stop.

The condition of the windows and walls, however, is deplorable. I always see a sign for this place along the freeway on my way to Seattle and I still always lose my shit.

I've been to SF, Seattle, and Portland at least a couple times apiece and know people who live in all of them though I make no claims to know them as a resident. To me it feels like they all went through a big influx of people and the reputation as the hip west coast city. SF dealt with it in the 60s and 70s, Seattle in the 80s and 90s, and Portland is dealing with it right now. The former two feel like they've sort of matured and gotten over it and settled in and aren't as concerned with other people's opinions while Portland is still a shitty teenager trying to keep itself weird.

http://www.uwishunu.com/2013/03/quotable-mark-bittman-calls-philadelphia-the-most-underrated-city-in-the-world/

philly is so much cooler than oakland

the funny thing when i lived in philly (late 80's to y2k) was when people would make a big deal about finally getting out of the stinking town and moving to san fran or wherever and then you would see them again a few months later and try not to make a big deal about them running home to the land of cheesesteak and cheap rents. we understood. if you are in philly too long nobody else will have you!

living in the la la land of marthas vineyard for 6 years it was just a given that everyone not from there was a frenemy. you hated them but you needed them to live. unless you too were rich.

i want more people to come to western mass! god's country! cheap houses! good food! lots of records and books! if you telecommute you should totally do it. the train to nyc is coming to greenfield! you won't miss a trick!

Western Mass rules. Rent got insane in Northampton over the last 12-15 years, though.

the only other place in the country i would live is philly, love yer town. but i still love mine more

yeah true northampton and amherst i wouldn't tell people to buy/rent a house there. but around those places are bargains galore. unless they are filthy rich and want to start a ninja turtle dynasty or something. then they should move to those places.

greenfield is only 20+ minutes down the road and when i go to northampton and walk around i always say to myself: oh, right, rich people! whole color-coordinated clothing families. so clean and purty. i feel like i just fell off the turnip truck.

you see this in big cities sometimes but it's usually based on a neighborhood, not the whole city, since big cities are generally dependent on large groups of people moving in

xp

Haha, I know the feeling. There were a fair amount of affordable places to rent in Northampton in the late 90s/early 00s, but they all got condofied.

I will never forget eating at Zahav in Philadelphia. Oh man that food oh man oh man.

Is Philly really midsized? It's like the 5th biggest in USA isn't it?

yeah philly is huge.

what about Akron? Do they have this thing going on? It seems to produce a disproportionate amount of awesome bands.

it took me 40 years to find my home. and at 44 i am finally home for good. feels nice.

the bizarros are from akron. that's reason enough to live there, if you ask me.

i enjoy the fact that MPLS/STPL and Portland might as well have an exchange program, the number of people i know that have transplanted one to the other (both ways) is astounding

― O_o-O_O-o_O (jjjusten), Thursday, March 14, 2013 6:27 PM (2 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

west minneapolis iirc, the axis is strong. what's weirder to me is that it seems like there are ppl that make the move several times? like move to portland for a year or two, then back to mpls, then back to portland, etc.

man now i am bummed about moving :(

it took me 40 years to find my home. and at 44 i am finally home for good. feels nice.

― scott seward, Saturday, March 16, 2013 4:25 PM (45 minutes ago) Bookmark

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sea3lnVgyrY

it took me 40 years to find my home. and at 44 i am finally home for good. feels nice.

I miss wmass so much, but at least I'm not too far away. It definitely felt like home, though. If you could get Chicago food there, it'd be perfect.

Despite the influx of people to Austin, I still wish more family and friends would move here. I think my family has a hard time grasping why I might want to live here instead of Boston, Seattle, or California when the answer is obvious: it's much cheaper to live here and jobs are plentiful.

I miss Western Mass. It was my home away from home in the late 80s/early 90s.

But if I move back east I think Baltimore & Philly are the only places I'd choose to live longterm. Nothing but good memories from the mid- to late 90s, which, admittedly, was a fair amount of time ago.

friend my dad knew on Martha's Vineyard had a saying for this: "Last one off the boat is the first to say No More Building."

It's addressed earlier but the relatively recent immigrants are the ones who are the most sensitive about newcomers continuing to come and ruining the land, the scene, the vibe.

Saw this guy today from across the hotel lobby:

http://i.imgur.com/ljfykGj.jpg

I will always associate Philly with an image my brother described to me when he lived there: a pregnant woman smoking a cigarette while waiting for her local dive bar to open in the morning

― his girlfriend was all 'ugh and he wears a solar backpack' (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, March 15, 2013 4:50 PM (1 week ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I have seen this in rural MN.

Tomorrow morning there will be a thousand pregnant women smoking a thousand cigarettes in front of a thousand closed bars across this great land of ours.

my experience in Portland was that the only PDX natives that got all up in arms about out of towners were squares who railed against the hipsters coming in and fucking up everything, not really people involved in "scenes" to begin with

https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/579094_463048977101770_661970339_n.jpg

smdh

oh shit, wrong thread

was it, though?

in a sense, yes?

but in a sense, no?

All those hiipsters ruined Highland...

I tech bubbled my way to Seattle from post-graduate indolence in Western Mass. I'm pretty sure there's nobody in Northampton/Amherst angry about outsiders messing up their scene because the only outsiders who move in are professors and Hampshire graduates who don't feel like leaving and get jobs at ice cream stores.

I don't know how people feel about outsiders coming to Seattle to work for Amazon & Microsoft at this stage in the game. I live in a neighborhood where every construction project is some boxy six-story mixed-use rental development (and I live in one of these) and people in the comments section on The Stranger get pissy about it. But it doesn't feel boring here.

i live in seattle again and grew up here and am glad to see all the new faces. it feels fresh, it matches what's around us

amazon microsoft starbucks etc. have ruled seattle for a generation now. it's a very different city from the blue collar boeing/logging town it was. new development is just adding to the wholesale cultural change of the 90s imo.

portland is weird because as ppl have mentioned above it's such a transitory new population. so many young underemployeds just dropping in for a bit, many name musicians being the most obv examples.

We still got the blue collar Boeing demographic on lock here in Everett. (The last lumber mill just shut down a year or two ago though and is in the process of demolition.)

probably better to move into extremely unhip smaller city next to giant thriving megalopolis like yonkers or long beach or any jersey city besides hoboken and just wait until gentrification hits you after you've already bought cheap or locked in a long-term rental deal

the answer is Vallejo!