John Major, love machine

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Heh.. But my favorite part is this quote from Jeffrey Archer's wife:

"I am a little surprised, not at Mrs Currie's indiscretion but at a temporary lapse in John Major's taste," she told BBC Radio 4's Today programme.

Cattiest quote of the year!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 28 September 2002 17:58 (twenty-three years ago)

it always pissed me off when ppl said john major was boring: he always *completely* fascinated me

alan clarke — of all ppl! — once said that major "has the most gorgeous smile in politics" (or something like that)

mark s (mark s), Saturday, 28 September 2002 18:02 (twenty-three years ago)

Has Norma commented yet?

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Saturday, 28 September 2002 18:19 (twenty-three years ago)

poor john!

jel -- (jel), Saturday, 28 September 2002 18:49 (twenty-three years ago)

edwina, who fucks a woman named edwina ?!

anthony easton (anthony), Saturday, 28 September 2002 18:54 (twenty-three years ago)

edwin?

jel -- (jel), Saturday, 28 September 2002 19:26 (twenty-three years ago)

Major fascinated me as well, Mark, though by 1995 or so it was in the way that you find any grotesque interesting ...

robin carmody (robin carmody), Saturday, 28 September 2002 20:27 (twenty-three years ago)

I feel this is time to say what I always say when someone reminds me of JM's existence...

FUCK ME! JOHN MAJOR USED TO BE PRIME MINISTER!!! JOHN ARSING MAJOR!

I swear that history will recall this country has having lurched immediately from Thatcher to Blair. The idea of this man having led the country just seems utterly, utterly surreal to me now.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Saturday, 28 September 2002 22:41 (twenty-three years ago)

insert backbencher/whip joke here

mark p (Mark P), Saturday, 28 September 2002 22:48 (twenty-three years ago)

indeed Matt - the only really comparable post-war figure, Alec Douglas-Home (the change of government in '64 is often described as being from Macmillan to Wilson, and the leadership of the Tory party itself might as well just have flowed from Macmillan to Heath) was prime minister for a year and then opposition leader for a further nine months. compare to Major's six-and-a-half years.

I suppose what fascinated me about Major is that he did not actually come from a traditional Tory background at all, but he wanted so desperately to ingratiate himself with those people that he started playing the role of such a character, so he spouted dreadful old romantic Tory cliches (maids in the mist etc etc) without the saving grace that someone like Richard Body or Peter Tapsell would have had - that of his heart being in it. Major was something oddly worse than a Tory - a fake Tory. A man from a farming public school Countryside Alliance type of background would have defined "Englishness" as Major did and MEANT IT: Major defined "Englishness" as such and not only did you hate the definition, but it seemed so fucking MEALY-MOUTHED coming from him, you could tell he was going through the motions, just keeping the party faithful happy. He was a deeply confused, uncertain man - it becomes more and more obvious that he married Norma because she was a quintessential Tory Wife: ie, as usual, he wanted to ingratiate himself with the party's old elite rather than portray his own character. Greatest irony of all is that that elite had itself lost control of the party to the Thatcherites by the time Major became its leader.

there are very few decent MPs left in the Tory party: there's a possibility that I might be living in the Totnes/Dartington area a few years from now and the MP there is Anthony Steen from the 1974 intake (ie the last era before acquisitive two-faced nastiness became the normal character of Tory MPs), and I was actually thinking even today that I wouldn't want to be living in his constituency if he retired and was succeeded by another horrible Adrian Flook clone (though if that happened the Lib Dems would target the seat and, with luck, succeed).

robin carmody (robin carmody), Sunday, 29 September 2002 00:46 (twenty-three years ago)

surely you must be joking!!!! am i right in assuming from this thread that john major had an affair with someone?????????? and someone called edwina to boot??????????

truly amazing stuff, it must be a set-up right?
who would? i mean come on, lets be real.


donna (donna), Sunday, 29 September 2002 04:05 (twenty-three years ago)

just caught it on the news. feel almost sorry for the guy now, if only for being caught out so badly. silly man.
edwina doesnt look as bad as her name might suggest.

donna (donna), Sunday, 29 September 2002 06:39 (twenty-three years ago)

My dad thought he may have used to bully John Major in 40s Brixton.

chris (chris), Sunday, 29 September 2002 09:19 (twenty-three years ago)

i think he *did* believe in that definition, though, robin: recall he comes from a very fragmented background — his dad was a cirucus performer turned garden gnome purveyor!! what the hell class tranche does that fit comfortably into!! the world's most humourless sociologist starts grinning...

so instead of using it as a cheapshot — which of course the entire world did — think of it from his own perspective: he craved social stability, and reached for an idyll which fitted that (city boy who genuinely loves cricket)

he learnt early on that being non-flamboyant worked for him, and most political commentators being dumbfucks, they assumed that bland public face = passionless drone: sorry, that's retarded psychology (and actually we got plenty of hints of his being basically a passionate person under immense, long-cultured control)

behind the scenes, he was angrily anti-racist, for example, and actually did a lot to shaft the racist wing of the party — but he was charged with unifying a collective which was no longer remotely unifiable (which his predecessor had effectively crippled), and what's astonishing — it's an achievement you may well hate but it was still an achievement — is that he did it for so long

he won the 1992 election (won it BACK in the face of widespread anti-Thatcher disgust: Kinnock was a weak and tainted opponent but even so), and THEN he won the confidence vote against portillo/redwood et al: when he left, the party dissolved into ruin more or less overnight (the establishment of "inclusivity" as its attempted watchword is totally major's doing: it's basically a nogo politically — ie even the stump cannot rally round it — but it's still a significant cultural legacy)

another tory commentator — unless it was clarke again, but i don't think it was — said that the tory party had failed major, and didn't deserve him... i think that's true: which is why, in a hundred years time, (good) historians WILL still be talking about him

mark s (mark s), Sunday, 29 September 2002 09:51 (twenty-three years ago)

better historians will be talking abt cabbage's dad

mark s (mark s), Sunday, 29 September 2002 09:51 (twenty-three years ago)

Fake tory hmm. This is what most of the people who vote tory are anyway. More fake politicians, please.

N. (nickdastoor), Sunday, 29 September 2002 10:40 (twenty-three years ago)

He has more than egg on his face. I'm personally very cross with John Major. For four years, he betrayed his wife and family - that's low enough, though I accept we all make mistakes. What makes me cross is that his mistake rendered him acutely impotent for all his subsequent years in office, and at a time when strong leadership was imperative. Initially, when he wasn't yet leader, his mistake must have lead to terrible personal heartache - he would have pissed away things of immeasurable personal value (his family's trust etc.). But John went on to extend this suffering to the British public during his premiership: most people who piss away their life away don't then take on an immensely important public job, knowing they are too compromised to undertake it effectively. In 1992-1993, when he was in power, Britain was in recession; I had just left University and there were no jobs at all - no openings, no minimum wage (some of those people who were working were doing so for £1.50 an hour in my home town of Doncaster). When I was stacking shelves in Safeway, I used to wonder why John Major wasn't doing anything, nothing - just treading rhetorical water; and now I realize why. At any time, his affair with Edwina could have been leaked, if he accidentally showed leadership and in so doing trod on the wrong people's toes. What a total prick. Put up or shut up indeed?! We put up, John, and you didn't have enough honour to step down.

Owen, Sunday, 29 September 2002 11:28 (twenty-three years ago)

watching the major government back then was really like a horror movie. I felt sorry for him, he appeared to be OK but he had to contend with some awful nutters (teddy taylor was on the telly yesterday saying he wouldn't support europe in the rider cup. crazy!!!) and it was a relief when it was all over, at least he could retire to a quieter life.

He was bad but you can't say it was all his own fault. the lunatics had taken over.

''he learnt early on that being non-flamboyant worked for him, and most political commentators being dumbfucks, they assumed that bland public face = passionless drone: sorry, that's retarded psychology (and actually we got plenty of hints of his being basically a passionate person under immense, long-cultured control)''

that was really boring= he's grey, etc. idiots!

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Sunday, 29 September 2002 11:37 (twenty-three years ago)

Major says "its the single event I feel most shame about in my whole life"

Fucking someone for 4 years solid is a single event!!!!

geoff, Sunday, 29 September 2002 18:34 (twenty-three years ago)

watched c4 news and teresa Gorman went on radio saying John Major was being *friendly* to her so that she would vote on an issue with the party (can't remember what exactly but i'm sure its to do with europe).

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Sunday, 29 September 2002 20:43 (twenty-three years ago)

perhaps this is the secret of his success keeping the party together for so much longer than expected!! HE HAD SEX WITH EVERYONE!! it's true and you know you want it to be too

mark s (mark s), Sunday, 29 September 2002 20:52 (twenty-three years ago)

there are many shades of grey!

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Sunday, 29 September 2002 20:54 (twenty-three years ago)

Mark's long post in response to me might be what I was trying to say and couldn't, principally because I was too tired: ie Major wanted security and stability more than anything else in the world, so he looked up to a cultural idea of Englishness reflecting a very different background from his own.

to be honest I think I'm a v.good writer next to 90% of people but a terribly lame and slow-thinking one next to Mark S: that's how good I think he is

robin carmody (robin carmody), Sunday, 29 September 2002 23:56 (twenty-three years ago)

It just gets nuttier.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 30 September 2002 04:08 (twenty-three years ago)

The obv question here is: who was the first one? "A right slob" with "kinky preferences" and "a selfishness of such magnitude that I'd never seen before" - sounds like A Clark to me, some say sounds like me.

And re. Scallywag and the New Statesman: if successful, does that mean that Major gets the cell next to Archer in Lincoln nick?

Marcello Carlin, Monday, 30 September 2002 08:10 (twenty-three years ago)

i cant believe the props majors getting here. yes, i know he wasn't 'boring' (an image he cleverly pushed - i never thought he was boring). the boring thing was pretty clever, because boring is next to decent. and i don't believe major was decent in any shape or form. even at the the time people thought major was basically 'a decent man' with some dodgy colleagues. consequence=however bad govt was, he was trying to steer it the right way. absolute bollocks, he was as bad as the rest of them, if not worse

his great skill was portraying himself as separate from the rest of the tories (ken clarke was good at this too), but i saw major as an devious politician who had 7 years in which to do something for this country and did nothing.

i don't care about his affair or whatever, but in the context of the 'back to basics' nonsense, just shows what a cheap load of shit he spouted all the time.

his greatest achievement may well be, as mark s said above, that he will have conned history in to looking kindly on him.

gareth (gareth), Monday, 30 September 2002 08:31 (twenty-three years ago)

The real mystery - why is Ned interested in this?

N. (nickdastoor), Monday, 30 September 2002 08:34 (twenty-three years ago)

He's a 'prissy anglophile', remember?

RickyT (RickyT), Monday, 30 September 2002 08:35 (twenty-three years ago)

The staunch Gareth, despite his absurd, antiquated belief in the Black Hole of Socialism (otherwise known as Handsworth), has surely targeted with enviable accuracy the arrant hypocrisy of this counter-jumper Major, who proceeded to lead Our Great And Good Party blindly over the Lovers' Leap of Political Lemminghood; professing a noble mission to recall the warm beers and cricketed matrons so beloved by that great Tory, George Orwell, to retreat smartly to the moral cricket pavilion of reason, only to be indulging all the while in underarm bowling with the declasse Liverpudlian prole putain Currie whilst immersing the country in a post-Black Wednesday bankrupt bouillabase. I say that the scoundrel be drawn, quartered and displayed prominently at Newmarket Racecourse of a fine autumnal morn to serve as an exemplar to the "below stairs" classes who continue to delude themselves that they have the slightest toehold on Our Good And Great Party. The Alliance must act now or be forever muffled. Seize the turncoat now, this Jeremiah Brandreth in reverse . . . initium est demidium facti!

Horace Coker, Monday, 30 September 2002 08:44 (twenty-three years ago)

Sanderson to thread, I guess

zebedee, Monday, 30 September 2002 10:38 (twenty-three years ago)

Edwina Currie's is the only house I ever 'spotted' on Lloyd Grossman's 'Through the Keyhole'. It was because she had a story from the Burton Mail pinned on her noticeboard. I hear she is now a successful novelist?

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Monday, 30 September 2002 11:43 (twenty-three years ago)

putain

I had not thought before now just how much the French must enjoy Pres Vladimir's name, tee hee.

Rebecca (reb), Monday, 30 September 2002 12:44 (twenty-three years ago)

isn't he the focus of much pash also?

mark s (mark s), Monday, 30 September 2002 12:56 (twenty-three years ago)

Well I think he's nummy. Or at least I used to, I can't remember the last time I saw a pic of him. There was some thing in the papers a while ago about how he's the Russian Housewives' choice, they tried to make out that this was a power thing. Fools.

Emma, Monday, 30 September 2002 13:09 (twenty-three years ago)

um

Alan (Alan), Monday, 30 September 2002 13:12 (twenty-three years ago)

it is a weasel-face thing

mark s (mark s), Monday, 30 September 2002 13:13 (twenty-three years ago)


I don't like Major. Nor do I think him attractive.

Why did he - if he did - insist on rail privatization?

the pinefox, Monday, 30 September 2002 13:21 (twenty-three years ago)

(So fancying Vladimir = weird but fancying Little Mo = normal? Pah.)

Emma, Monday, 30 September 2002 13:22 (twenty-three years ago)

ALANG FANCIES LITTLE MO!?

RickyT (RickyT), Monday, 30 September 2002 13:26 (twenty-three years ago)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/eastenders/features/images/littlemo_main.jpg

v

http://image.pathfinder.com/time/daily/2000/0011/putin1130.jpg

fite, etc. Have we driven off PF yet?

Alan (Alan), Monday, 30 September 2002 13:32 (twenty-three years ago)

(actually emma, i thort you mean major. ha ha)

Alan (Alan), Monday, 30 September 2002 13:32 (twenty-three years ago)

Maybe Russian housewives think Shagger Major is a hunk too. I cannot put my finger on what is so attractive about Putin. He looks sort of.. er... masterful & er, experienced. I'll shut up now.

Emma, Monday, 30 September 2002 13:44 (twenty-three years ago)

Is there not also some Russian videogame where you are action hero Putin? And there's a new musical which is a dramatisation of the Clinton/Lewinsky affair except its Putin instead?

Latest Edwina news is that she's been offered a berth on Celebrity Big Brother. Though this is according to that awful Metro gossip column so should be taken with a pinch of powdered egg.

Tom (Groke), Monday, 30 September 2002 13:48 (twenty-three years ago)

He may be masterful and experienced, but that hair looks suspiciously comboveresque.

RickyT (RickyT), Monday, 30 September 2002 14:01 (twenty-three years ago)

Everybody knows that Little Mo is on Alangs wife list, shirley? Alang is working on a makeover to make him look more like STUD MUFFIN Billy Mitchell.

Sarah (starry), Monday, 30 September 2002 14:14 (twenty-three years ago)

Combovers just scream 'run your fingers through my world leader hair and get it all messy, baby'.

Emma, Monday, 30 September 2002 14:29 (twenty-three years ago)

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Alan (Alan), Monday, 30 September 2002 14:30 (twenty-three years ago)

Just imagine a combover...with Sun-In!!!

Tom (Groke), Monday, 30 September 2002 14:33 (twenty-three years ago)

when's your interview, Tom? I trust the beard has gone.

Alan (Alan), Monday, 30 September 2002 14:35 (twenty-three years ago)

I'm afraid it hasnt. I did get the afro under control though.

Tom (Groke), Monday, 30 September 2002 14:37 (twenty-three years ago)

Tom, you need to prioritise your time better. And clean all that crap out of your pocket. It takes ten minutes to shave. Twenty minutes to get a haircut. Shape up or ship out.

Pete (Pete), Monday, 30 September 2002 14:39 (twenty-three years ago)

But ten minutes every 3 days (say) = a whole afternoon of glorious leisure saved since the last time I shaved!

Tom (Groke), Monday, 30 September 2002 14:47 (twenty-three years ago)

Oh no Tom you will now be one of those experts we all laff at on telly cos they have comical facial hair!

Combovers are only sexy on world leaders.

Emma, Monday, 30 September 2002 14:51 (twenty-three years ago)

Also if I shave my beard off after the TV bits there is less chance of being recognised in the street by business world opinion-formers.

Tom (Groke), Monday, 30 September 2002 14:53 (twenty-three years ago)

Combovers are only sexy on world leaders.

Sometimes, Emma, not even then...;>

All I have to say is: if the Grey PM is now considered a sex god, what ideal does your average guy have to aspire to?

[But consider exactly who is giving him such a high rating...]

Nichole Graham (Nichole Graham), Monday, 30 September 2002 17:07 (twenty-three years ago)

Gareth - I hear what you say, but I don't think Mark was saying that one *should* admire his achievement in keeping the party together, just that it *was* an achievement, even if a negative one. I guess the mid-late 70s era when Major entered Parliament (he was from the 1979 intake) was the last era of boring/decent Tory MPs coming in - Anthony Steen, Alan Haselhurst, Douglas Hogg (all still there) and Tim Rathbone and Robert Rhodes James (both now dead). The first Thatcherite intake was 1983, and the calibre of the Tory benches has fallen stratospherically every election since then - it has further to fall when people like Haselhurst and Hogg retire, doubtless to be replaced by zero-taxation ideologues who cheered Maggie to the echo as creepy, speccy, unpopular 14-year-old boys during the 1986 party conference. I will be particularly interested in who is lined up to succeed Sir Peter Tapsell, the last survivor of the 1959 "Supermac" intake - probably the leader of the Conservative Students' Group at Warwick University in 1989 (cf Neil Kulkarni's anti-student rants).

Reynard - I think it was Norman Fay who said at the time of the Potters Bar crash that Major intended the railways to be returned to the 1923-48 situation where there were several big companies running their trains while also maintaining the infrastructure of the lines they served, and that the insane separation of Railtrack, the train operating companies, the owners of the actual rolling stock etc etc etc was insisted on by ultra-Thatcherite idiot ideologue civil servants who'd been "planning" it (sic) since the mid-80s. Sounds plausible.

(ps "Horace Coker" is not me, despite the Charles Moore reference - pretty sure it's Marcello. Sanderson has been retired to the Julian Amery Home for Bereaved Gentlefolk, though the original joke / point of his place of residence / email address is underlined on Usenet today where one of the ultra-right-wing loons has made a derogatory reference to Fairport Convention.)

robin carmody (robin carmody), Monday, 30 September 2002 17:39 (twenty-three years ago)


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