Which "influence" will James Mangold's THE WOLVERINE most resemble?

haha

I really hope it's Black Narcissus.

voted for happy together. siked to see this new side of wolverine

he put this list out before the trailer came out, makes for a funny thing to think about when u watch it

wonder which scene from shane inspired this http://i.imgur.com/Jhx1dU0.gif

ahahhahaha

theres another shot in the trailer that i need a gif of, where it looks like wolferine does the action hero thing where he tackles a guy to get him out of the way of an explosion, except it's the mushroom cloud @ hiroshima in the background

the trailer is totally misleading yo, this is going to feel exactly like an ozu film.

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superman iii

Forget it, Logan, it's Madripoor.

Via io9.com:

I'm not convinced that The Wolverine is going to be terrible, but boy, have all the shots of that fight scene on-top of the Japanese bullet train looked goofy in the previews. Well, as the first official The Wolverine clip has revealed, this fight scene doesn't just look goofy, it is goofy. Immensely.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OKT5YceMCQ

man I really want to eagerly anticipate this but tbh I gave up on Mangold after copland. i know 3:10 to yuma was received well but there is just no way this is the right guy for a gritty look back to the Frank Miller books that will make us all forget Origins.

Nolan's Batman

that fight scene would be kinda cool if it weren't for the hysterical music

i like the part when he's all of the sudden outside

I like X-Men Origins: Wolverine AND Knight And Day so lemme tell ya I'm stoked for this

Hoo boy. That looks like a videogame QuickTime event. Looks like Hugh Jackman will never get to star in a properly comic-book-fun Wolverine, despite how great he is in the role.

It's impossible to do a properly comic-book-fun Wolverine movie IMO; the character works best in contrast to other equally important characters with offsetting outlooks.

so I guess they could do a Kitty Pryde and Wolverine movie and I was wrong on my first comment

actually kinda looking forward to this tbh

i like the part when he's all of the sudden outside

― we're up all night to get (s1ocki), Monday, July 8, 2013 3:06 PM

i'm just excited to see how long sony and fox will pump out spidey and x-men movies respectively to keep marvel from getting the rights back. If there are no massive flops, the number of films could get Bond-like.

They could conceivably do a New Mutants/New X-Men movie with the stalwarts taking on the three different generations of students post-All New X-Men; they've got something like 40 characters to choose from to build a team

I mean, the movies couldn't be any harsher to the Generation X kids than the comic books were (M is really the only one who made it out unscathed and she was just recently killed and brought back to life by Strong Guy)

can't wait for rom: spaceknight movie

oh man, I was going to make a joke about the movies eventually working their way down to Glob Herman but apparently he was already in X-Men:The Last Stand

i like that this looks like a more ~intimate~ superhero movie after so many of them abotu saving the world

man I really want to eagerly anticipate this but tbh I gave up on Mangold after copland. i know 3:10 to yuma was received well but there is just no way this is the right guy for a gritty look back to the Frank Miller books that will make us all forget Origins.

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3:10 to yuma is a movie that i think was well-received because there's nothing really starkly "wrong" with it at all and there's a good ben foster performance, but it's incredibly forgettable and the directing is workmanlike in the most inoffensive and anonymous way.

one thing that really annoys me about that train fight scene is that you don't feel that the train is moving until they get outside. There ought to be a little shakiness, slight changes in light/shadow, or something to imply motion.

i like that this looks like a more ~intimate~ superhero movie after so many of them abotu saving the world

― i wanna be a gabbneb baby (Hungry4Ass), Monday, July 8, 2013 4:39 PM (13 minutes ago) Bookmark

this is a good point, kinda wanna see some superheroes just go up against a mob boss or something at this point

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3:10 to yuma is a movie that i think was well-received because there's nothing really starkly "wrong" with it at all and there's a good ben foster performance, but it's incredibly forgettable and the directing is workmanlike in the most inoffensive and anonymous way.

― christmas candy bar (al leong), Monday, July 8, 2013 4:46 PM (25 minutes ago) Bookmark

agreed. plus i think there's an audience that's starved for any competently made, non-idiotic westerns they can get these days, and they'll embrace a movie like Yuma

green hornet was in some ways 'sort of okay'

Hoo boy. That looks like a videogame QuickTime event

a "QuickTime event" you say

al leong otm -- i've seen four mangold films and they're all like that. watchable and decent enough, but they evaporate 10 minutes after i've seen them.

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wow. fuck a whole bunch of james mangold and whoever else is to blame for this. the influence this most resembles is DAREDEVIL

it's way better than x-men origins: wolverine

origins was a complete mess that had no idea what it wanted to be. that this actually seemed to be what its creators intended makes it possibly worse. no sense of what makes the character tick. no sense of what makes the samurai, western, or crime genres tick. the unintentional humor isn't enough to save it and the intentional humor is ghastly.

and i went in with low expectations

do you think the fact that yashido just wouldn't give up on this idea that logan wanted to be "put out of his misery", even after he repeatedly denied this, was supposed to be funny? "It is what you have dreamed of, Logan!"

afaict intentional humor was limited to:
• ha ha this guy can't be hurt but he's AFRAID TO FLY (except when he's not)
• ha ha this guy is super tough but OLD LADIES SCRUBBING

the more i think about this the more annoyed i get because it's actually haunted by the ghost of a good wolverine-in-japan story. mangold even managed to botch the shots that harkened back specifically to Miller. where's Robert Rodriguez when you need him...

jesus those "funny" parts were awful. i think at this point my mind like shuts off during parts that are that formulaic and stupid and i never really remember them. the "humor" in this movie, for me, was limited to 1.) lol are they serious with portraying a japanese family business that ascribes to samurai morality and works with a swat team of ninjas called the "black clan" and 2.) yashido is such a fucker.

do you think the fact that yashido just wouldn't give up on this idea that logan wanted to be "put out of his misery", even after he repeatedly denied this, was supposed to be funny? "It is what you have dreamed of, Logan!"

― fervently nice (Treeship), Monday, July 29, 2013 12:19 AM (3 hours ago) Bookmark

this is cracking me up

I just wonder, have you guys read any of the 80s Wolverine comics that were the inspiration for this movie? They changed a bunch of stuff but the spirit of the story seemed to be intact.

I own them, and that's the ghost I refer to upthread. There might have been a story about honor in an an early draft - Yashida's lack of it, Logan's reclaiming of it - but it never made to the screen. All that's left is a bear, a poison arrow, and some ninjas.

SPOILER he never even ends up with his sword END SPOILER

How was this not a story about honor?

bc yashida never had any (see: failure to commit seppuku with his fellow officers) and logan never lost his to reclaim it (see: he never gets the sword).

you'll at least concede it's no more a story about honor than it is story about how a dude gets over his fear of flying by discovering that even though his lady is dead he Wants To Live when he goes to Japan to re-enact the climactic moment from prometheus (get it out get it out!).

(*never had any TO LOSE)

I like Wolverine as a character but I recognize that most people like him because he dices the fuck out of people and then mopes about it afterward
― My Buddy® of sexting (DJP), Monday, July 29, 2013

fair. peace. btw this is precisely what keeps his on/off feud with the hulk going as a thing. they're the same guy!

"recognize" was strong, I really meant "feel"

character as lethal STD

― carlos danger zone (mh), Monday, July 29, 2013 3:37 PM (10 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

new governing allegory for X-Men movies IIRC

wolverine was p different in terms of comic bk heroes up to that point, imho, which of course is not to say that he was some great original thing to the whole of literature or films or whatevs - i mean, when he came along, batman wasn't quite so 'dark' and no nominal good guy had been so violently psychopathic before (maybe the shadow, who is more of a pulp lit character really) - so that gave the character a certain complexity and ambiguity almost by exception to the norm. his canandian-ness also fed into this sense of the character as 'different' and an outsider - obv a reflection of john byrne's cultural roots in british and canadian culture, and byrne's industry status as someone who had come into marvel from the despised and disparaged charlton comics (there's a certain rage and resentment in wolverine the character that feels quite raw and personal - and seems to come more from byrne than claremont, imho.)

i remember there was some big fan crit hand-wringing (in the comics journal and elsewhere) when wolverine obviously killed (off panel) a number of guards or something in a late-ish byrne-claremont issue - how times change blahdidblah

byrne and claremont definitely built this thing, with shooter's encouragement. clint eastwood stuff (specifcally dirty harry) was explicit as early as hellfire club arc.

does it even matter if these movies are really hits anymore? studios gonna keep making them to hold on to the rights no matter what. at this point it's just determining any leverage on any potential crossover between marvel held rights and non-marvel.

studios are accountable to their corporate parents who need to explain major losses to shareholders. so if a studio loses a few hundred million a year, something will need changing. but i don't think there's any kind of paradigm shift on the horizon, no.

Ant-man movie always seemed like craziness to me

don't know why they had to change the name for the UK

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but just glad Hukman GH Jac's career is back on track.

MOM IST YUR DUGAHTR SALYL! ME ND JAC ARE GENTIGN MRARIRED - WORINE OLVE!

I think we can all agree that that picture counters every possible argument against this movie

i enjoyed this movie. it was pulpy and self-contained in the manner of some of the better comics miniseries. i liked that the stakes were lower--at least, not the apocalypse that every other comic-book movie seems to promise these days.

that said, the weak link--and it's a major one--was the character of mariko. she isn't given much of a personality, and the script seems to vacillate between her being this weak, fragile creature and her being eccentric and plucky. (part of the problem may have been that yukio was the plucky girl character, and jean grey is/was love of logan's life, and Viper is the sexy villainess, so they weren't sure what to make mariko.)

but even worse, the actress playing mariko was totally devoid of excitement. wolverine's passion for her could only be appreciated as a necessary plot device. i could imagine a stronger actress giving the character some shading, intimating some complexity or strong-willed-ness (sp?), but the actress in this film had negative charisma, just kind of sucking in the emotional import of scenes she was in. i could admire the plotting (a little bit, anyway) and understand the various motivations without feeling them at all--as a result a few of the more "intense" or grandiose beats the film hit just didn't come off.

so it's kind of a tribute to the story that the film itself wasn't bad at all, really. it could have been a lot more had a few characters been more clearly individuated and, above all, if they had gotten a decent actress to play mariko.

btw i don't know if this is in the original comics but i liked how the bear episode basically presaged the film's plot!

bear fight is in the miller/claremont mini series, yes

but what do i know?

should probably note that before this film i saw a preview for ASHTON KUTCHER IS JOBS which looked, well, hideous beyond words.

prometheus homage to apple was cool but i hope new x-men movie does not feature Jobsian iSentinels

http://www.trask-industries.com/#/innovation

I do agree that this movie is pretty much about immutable characters navigating a bunch of set pieces (the only person who changes appreciably is Mariko's old flame, who apparently needed to be knifed in the leg in order to realize that working for evil people makes you evil) but the set pieces were a bunch of fun and that's pretty much how I view Frank Miller's work anyway.

― My Buddy® of sexting (DJP), Monday, July 29, 2013 10:30 AM (2 weeks ago) Bookmark

huh?? it's not like the most complex thing ever but the movie makes a big point about wolverine moving on from his guilt about killing jean grey. that last scene of her practically screams "character arc"!

anyway, i thought this was... okay. some nice locations, some ok fights (not that well shot—actually it seemed like they were staged better than were filmed). agree with ams about mariko, just a total blank. and the whole interlude where they go down south [IYKWIM] was really slow.

and once AGAIN, i was disappointed that the movie's climax takes place in yet another generic-looking sci-fi super-lab. there are so many cool settings in the movie already—ninja villages, downtown tokyo, nagasaki—why do movies ALWAYS have to end in CGI warehouses??

I kind of hated that they made they character arc about an event in a shitty movie

then during the credits they're like, "welp, next X-Men movie is going to roll back that shitty movie!"

i also didnt get the postcredit thing, was that teasing the x-men days of future past thing? or another one set in the modern day?

I was kind of bummed they didn't have the "Wolvie plays dead and lets himself be caught to bypass the impregnable citadel's security and get straight to the baddie" trope from comic, especially since the baddies were under the impression his healing factor was impaired.

Other than that, the movie was about what I expected from a modern comic movie. Not great, not terrible. The "hermit Logan fucks up some rednecks who had it coming" scenes in the beginning were probably the high point for me.

yes i enjoyed wolverine avenging a bear

days of future past exists in both times, I think that is the setup

ahhh so its liek a star trek generations thing

One of many possible dystopian futures, etc.

Patrick Stewart and Ian McKellen aside, I really wish they'd just dump the entire X-Men 1 through 3 franchise and reboot it with the X-Men First Class version

i just wish they'd call the sequel x-men second class

otm

huh?? it's not like the most complex thing ever but the movie makes a big point about wolverine moving on from his guilt about killing jean grey. that last scene of her practically screams "character arc"!

Sure, but mopey "I killed my true love" Wolverine isn't appreciably different in demeanor from "I banged Mariko and am taking Yukio to the X-Men in order for Halle Berry to get a fresh mohawk" Wolverine. I mean yes there is an obvious plot arc there that I am intentionally and knowingly downplaying but it's not like Jackman's Wolverine goes through a strong transformation (aside, hilariously, from being increasingly okay with slashing bad guys to bits as the movie progresses).

it's a way to get people back into the narrative left off in x3 without having to make x4 all about x3, while letting jackman and the producers finally do the japan story they've been campaigning for for years.

I have few comic nerd moments but I was angry they let Mariko live

I mean, it took several appearances in the comics before she died, but still

haha I had the same reaction, including the begrudging acceptance of the multiple appearance caveat

i was so glad when dude popped out of the robot cuz until then i was not understanding the big conspiracy at _all_

(still not sure of some of the details)

with all due respect to whatever happened in the comics, killing off the new girlfriend would have wonked up the whole "making peace with your dead crush" angle

"by watching someone else die, i realized i have to let go of my guilt. hey, yukio, let's take this baby up!"

"up where?"

"up to the sequel teaser!"

WOLVERINE WILL RETURN IN: SIX CLAWS TO LOVE YOU

tbh I was kind of hoping they'd do a super downer ending where Logan decides he really is deadly to everyone he loves and goes back into the woods while Yukio goes off to party with Storm

with all due respect to whatever happened in the comics, killing off the new girlfriend would have wonked up the whole "making peace with your dead crush" angle

― da croupier, Wednesday, August 14, 2013 12:18 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark

haha true

"not agaaaaaaaaaaaain"

I know Jean is his One True Love but it would have been kind of cool to see a Silver Fox cameo, if only to remind ppl that every woman he falls in love with dies horribly

WOLVERINE
THE MAN WITH THE DEADLY SCRATCH
HE WILL SNIKT AT YOUR HEART
AND LEAVE YOU EITHER DEAD
OR CLONED OR WEARING AN ARMORY THING

gotta give points to jackman for doing the bodywork necessary to play an ageless badass for 10+ years

though i hope we get some paunchy grey wolvie movie in 2020 not unlike whatever grandpa terminator movie schwarzenegger's pitching now

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ha it's like they knew hugh'd come calling

Just read the wikipedia summary of Old Man Logan. God, i hate Mark Millar

haha I had already done that earlier this morning

I just saw this movie and was wondering, am I the only one who thought Tao Okamoto, the actor who plays Mariko, looks like a Japanese version of Cobie Smulders (from How I Met Your Mother and the Avengers movies)? This seriously distracted me while watching the movie!

http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/mariko_yashida_xmen_films_3149.jpghttp://i2.cdnds.net/11/08/starsnaps_us_cobie_smulders.jpg

Too bad the X-Men and Avengers movies are not in the same universe, otherwise they could reveal Maria Hill and Mariko have the same father or something...