Your Doctor Who No. 12 casting speculation thread

And we're off. Early candidates: our own DJP and VegemiteGrrl.

chuckle brothers at 3:1

Paterson Joseph would be an ace Doctor Who.

Yeah he was the (guessed) pick before Smith was announced

surely its time for a woman.

or are there such rules that this cannot happen in the doctors world.

Calling Gillian Anderson.

given her role in the current 'the fall' thriller, thats not beyond the limits you know ..

(though she could suck in her cheeks a bit less .. )

mcgann needs a second go. he only got a movie :(

McGann's Big Finish stuff is great. It would be wild to have him show up but they'd have to figure out how to work the 96 film in. Maybe series 8 could begin with the 8th hanging out at the Gallaghers

Seems like Rory Kinnear is the bookies favourite at the moment.

Calling Gillian Anderson.

would watch the fuck out of this

oh lol fucking lol if it turns out to be jenna-louise coleman

'i saved myself! 14 times!! gelolimo!!'

They need to do something different this time. I can't be arsed with handsome white alpha males, want to see a Dr Who with some damaged outsider cred.

matt smith was literally the blandest, safest choice out there. moffat's idea of "something different" would be "white male with a hairy chest"

"chest hair is cool"

where do we stand on spoilers in this thread? i know something that's just in the bbc press release, so probably not technically a show spoiler, but i still don't want to ruin it for anyone

just excited, basically

"The Doctor can be clown and hero - often at the same time

AND NOTHING ELSE EVER

(that wasn't the thing, that's another thing)

Gerald Wright

@paulwhitelaw 13m
#DoctorWho fans need to calm down. Ian Levine might be a GREAT twelfth Doctor, for all we know. Let's give him a chance.

Gerald Wright

― ...also i'm awesome (Nicole), Sunday, 2 June 2013 10:19 (27 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

OH YES YES

if the first episode opens with doctor #12 humping the console i will be a pig in shit

dalek: 'WE WILL DESTROY THE UNIVERSE'
doctor #12: 'don't get me started'

who is gerald wright?

and what's he doin'

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wright_Way

sorry for derail

oh ok lol

matt smith was literally the blandest, safest choice out there

Dude, you do know that David Tennant was the Doctor before him, right?

oh lol

if tennant was bland then smith is some vanilla cheesecake

ridiculous

Smith is the best Doctor ever, Tennant is the worst

Calling Smith bland is a flag post offense, just so we're clear.

Tennant is not the worst Doctor srsly I will fite u

Colin is worse on telly but the best on audio and great in Ridgway

Tennant/ Piper is some "kill the families of everyone involved" bullshit

you are all dead to me

if you're not fond of david tennant as the doctor, might i suggest watching an episode starring david tennant as the doctor

Will Moffatt remain after the Doctor switch up? If so, not really getting to the root of the problem...

i will stand and fight for rose/tennant even if I must do it alone ... & ultimately lose bcz yall are some fierce bitches

you are not alone

michaeljacksonshirtlessinanemptytheatre.jpg

Will Moffatt remain after the Doctor switch up? If so, not really getting to the root of the problem...

otm

agreed

i would rather smith stay & moff go but oh well

yeah

we'll get some comedy emo or something

russell brand as sexy postmodern ballbag-mentioning comedy doctor number twelve

lol

I like Peter Toms' idea.

RT @godownmatthew Give Dr Who to Bela Tarr and let him cast a sad, old donkey as Dr Who.

This also involves "deafening wind" as the Doctor's new companion.

this bears repeating

@warrenellis You won't be as excited about Doctor Who when Operation Yewtree nails him for trapping young girls in a box all through the 1970s.

Is the 13 thing not in Trial of a Timelord too?

No, just that between the 12th and 13th there is a dark incarnation. People compare it to The Watcher, but it's not the same at all there's actual interaction and a different character whereas The Watcher is just some kind of avatar.

In fact, The Valeyard provides exactly the model for the John Hurt 'Doctor' in that it's clearly a real regeneration but into something else that for some reason isn't considered to be the same thing as The Doctor. It wouldn't surprise me if Hurt actually is The Valeyard - existing canon and the numbering scheme wouldn't need to be redone because that would fuck up whole piles of BBC merchandise.

How about...

During the Hurt episode, we see him regenerate although not who into. It's not explained and we're supposed to assume it's into Ecclescake. Then at the end of Capaldi's first season, which I think is also Moffatt's last, he shockingly regenerates into John Hurt. Does that maybe tie in with the supposed Capaldi arc based on Rusty's theory of universal destiny?

I like that Aldo! So at the end of the 12th regeneration he regenerates into 8.5 to deal with something that the time matrix has to make right? And then after this he goes into the 13th? I think it's quite good but TBH I see that happening more between the 11th and 12th than the 10th and 11th.

Sorry I meant to say "I see that happening more between the 11th and 12th than the 12th and 13th."

Is the Valeyard a proper regeneration though? Doesn't the Master say summat like he's the distillation of the Doctor's dark energy. So he's more like a Dream Lord kinda figure, albeit corporeal. All this is stuff that was written way back when having 13+ Doctors seemed a million years away. Now it's an inconvenience Moffat have to get around, but most likely with a handwave rather than some kind of plot point.
I doubt Hurt will be the Valeyard. The 50th is designed to bring in casual viewers, so needs to stand alone to a certain extent. So while there will be references to nu-who story arcs, throwing a character in from an unloved 80s serial as a big reveal doesn't strike me as a likely or dramatically satisfying move, even to classic era fans. The same goes for the Omega theories. Future doctor idea doesn't work, because all he and Clara can see in his timeline is stuff from his past. It's pretty obvious that Hurt lies somewhere between 8 and 9 and has something to do with the Timewar. While the River Song arc ended up being needlessly convoluted, at other times, Moffat tends to go with a fairly obvious explanation, rather than something pulled out of the leftfield.

While the River Song arc ended up being needlessly convoluted, at other times, Moffat tends to go with a fairly obvious explanation, rather than something pulled out of the leftfield.

When has he ever done something simple? He ended up with two versions of Rory and Amy running around ffs, one of which was supposedly properly famous. He still hasn't finished the arc of The Silence. The voice in the TARDIS is still unresolved. The Doctor was "definitely dead, no maybes". Except it was a robot. Which was good enough to fool The Silence and the time police (because their whole pursuit of River in LKH is because all the records say she killed him), as long as he keeps the fact he's alive a secret which nobody can ever know and he has to be a shadowy figure that nobody ever sees or knows about. Which last for about 5 minutes.

The Valeyard may well be the dark energy thing but his closest comparison is still The Watcher rather than the Dream Lord (who is just a hallucination caused by magic mushrooms or something). And, again I have to say it, there's nothing to get around in terms of numbering because it's all already been handwaved away in SJA.

"To bring in casual viewers" - then why even reference NuWho? I mean, aren't these the same casual viewers who have been leaving as Moffatt does his River Song timey wimey cunty wunty bollocks? If the series period is supposed to bring is casual viewers, why the whole Clara In Tiem fanwank? Casual viewers are what led JNT's stunt casting obsession, one which Rusty and Moffatt seem keen to continue. The anniversary stories have always been mired in history, that's kind of the whole point of them. If you want casual viewers then Doctor, daleks, celebrities BOSH.

I agree with that, there have been very few episodes in the last couple of series that would be at all appealing to casual viewers really.

I kind of hope that's something the next showrunner will remedy, whoever it may be.

Well, there's history and there's history. I didn't mean to suggest the 50th's need to pull in casual viewers means ignoring the classic era. After all, the Zygons are in it. But suddenly revealing the Valeyard or Omega with no foreshadowing is a bad dramatic move whether you know who they are or not.

Omega's been shadowed all through the past two series, which is where all the rumours came from.

Rusty pulled in Rassilon with no foreshadowing or telling who he was.

Foreshadowed by some Omega symbols, true, but that's not really enough for it to be set up properly. A red herring put in to tease fans, and why not.

Rassilon? True, but then you didn't necessarily need to know who Rassilon was, just that the Timelords were back.

When Omega first appeared he didn't have any foreshadowing! If he turns up and they re-estabish him as an effective villain then good - Whovians get the thrill of recognition, everyone else gets a cool new (to them) character. Only if Moffat relies on the viewer knowing who he is to imbue him with menace is there a problem really.

Personally I like Omega and hope he reappears. He has an excellent helmet.

Well, obviously bringing in new baddies without foreshadowing can be ok (although a slow reveal is always good in order to build mystery). But bringing back an old one like Omega as the big bad behind the Silence would be overstuffing the 50th/Xmas specials with villains, seeing as we've already got Daleks, Zygons, Cybermen and an ambiguous figure in Hurt.
Not against bringing Omega back, but would he necessarily have the helmet? Wouldn't he look like Peter Davidson?

TBH I would shit my pants if the opening credits had "Peter Davison as Omega" in them!

why have you guys all given Eric Saward and Ian Levine your login details?

Time for a new thread...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-38805151

;_;

time for tilda swinton to shine

she'll have all those amazing chibnall scripts to work with

Well with Moffatt out as showrunner, I could see them trying to go with someone deliberately different as a change of pace.

swinton only likes to play whitewashed asians

Julian Fellowes Presents Timelord Abbey

voting ned

There's a thought.

Anyway as Tom D. desired.

Your Doctor Who No. 13 casting speculation thread

Finally it's time for Gerald Wright.

sentiment seems that (a) this is unexpected and (b) he was wasted, but he'll have had three full years in the role including some of the finest stories of nu-who imo (heaven sent, witch's familiar, girl who died/woman who lived, zygon inversion, flatline*, caretaker, husbands of river song*).

tbh with chibnall coming in i just assumed capaldi would depart along with moffat, otherwise chibnall would be building his show around someone else's monolith.

* possible challops

it's a small shame that he won't stick on to ease the transition, but you can imagine him not wanting to risk tainting his p. great legacy (two v v consistent series that both introduced a startling proportion of new voices, and 2/3 Xmas specials were ace). makes u wonder what he knows about the make-up of the supposed writers' room that's doing S11.

interestingly this is only the third time the production team has ever changed at the same time as the Doctor - 1974, 2009, and 2018.

it's a small shame that he won't stick on to ease the transition

one of the absolute joys of the eleventh hour is how fresh it was. if tennant had hung around, even for a few screen minutes, it would have snagged the new look & feel just a tiny bit.

also i love regenerations happening at christmas because it ramps up the anticipation of what that doctor will be.

i agree with you that capaldi's legacy is worth boxing off neatly, especially if chibnall drops the ball and the whole thing goes to shit.

runner up #1 - publisher, editors and editorial direction changing in 1997 but some of the writers staying on

runner up #2 - Cartmel coming in at McCoy's second story and creating the second-greatest disparity in quality between consecutive stories in the show's 53 years

runner-up #3 - Letts coming in for the first regular production of Pertwee's run, but still having a year of Sherwin-commissioned seven-parters and a likely cancellation before he and Dicks got a renewal and the chance to actually set up their own approach

one of the absolute joys of the eleventh hour is how fresh it was.

yah but we* were also hyped for Moffat anyway, as opposed to being fearful of the new production and wanting a Band-Aid/bridge of this very very good Doctor who could probably rescue a lot of shit scripts

*maybe not you

also i love regenerations happening at christmas because it ramps up the anticipation of what that doctor will be

nah because the BBC will have been ramming the new Doctor into our faces for months to detract from the final season of the old one, probably

endless guff pieces about what their new personality might or might not be like, ban Ed Russell imo

yah but we* were also hyped for Moffat anyway

i was hugely hyped for moffat, then he lost me, then he partly won be back again

nah because the BBC will have been ramming the new Doctor into our faces for months to detract from the final season of the old one, probably

oh i mean speculation about how his personality will play out and how the show will adapt, not so much reprinting his face ad nauseam and forever replaying his initial 12 seconds of eccentric jerking about the tardis

hmmm. greatest discrepancy in quality between stories. my picks:

the tenth planet/power of the daleks
the dominators/the mind robber
planet of evil/pyramids of mars
horror of fang rock/the invisible enemy
city of death/creature from the pit
caves of androzani/the twin dilemma (i'm assuming that was your #1, sic)
gridlock/daleks in manhattan
robot of sherwood/listen

gridlock/daleks in manhattan

fuck yes

poll

my personal picks would by city of death->creature from the pit (exceptionally sharp and witty douglas adams script followed by four weeks of tom baker fondling a penis) and the dominators->the mind robber (vile anti-hippie tripe followed by surrealistic mindfuck)

i'll probably be evicted from ilx for saying this but mysterious planet->mindwarp

not at all, but i have no idea whatsoever which direction you've got the quality gradient moving. presumably down? unless you somehow think "mysterious planet" is worse than "terror of the vervoids"?

yeah down. the creepy way they handled peri was a distasteful kink in a dull story. mysterious planet had the benefit of holmes writing dialogue and doctor/peri almost defiantly getting along in that forest scene.

i overall agree, though i don't feel that mysterious planet necessarily showed holmes at his best. for me the biggest quality difference in the "trial" season is between eps 13 and 14. i know that they're not technically two different stories, but man, they might as well be.

otm, that part 2 (14) is a mess. knowing why it's a mess makes it even worse imo.

mysterious planet was definitely average for holmes, but it had humour and optimism which at least made it easy to watch. mindwarop is distinct in my mind for making brian blessed dull.

i know that they're not technically two different stories, but man, they might as well be.

sure they are!

caves of androzani/the twin dilemma (i'm assuming that was your #1, sic)

absolutely

the tenth planet/power of the daleks

tenth planet is okay! it'd make a good three-parter, especially as Hartnell being out of ep 3 means there's no build-up to his death/transformation. I like the weird mesh of ~srs sci-fi worldbuilding~ clashing with big stupid mirror planet. modified opening titles are exciting. unremarked multiracial faaar-future 1986 space engineer team is cool.

the dominators/the mind robber

not seen dominators in full

planet of evil/pyramids of mars
city of death/creature from the pit

don't remember much about Planet of Evil or Creature but Pyramids is kind of terrible despite being huge fun

horror of fang rock/the invisible enemy

this is probably true but Invisible Enemy introduces K-9 and has Leela in so my childhood memory says it's great

gridlock/daleks in manhattan

this is an excellent example, prob RTD's third-best story

robot of sherwood/listen

aw I liked Robot of Sherwood riiiight up until the fuel tanks suddenly being full enough to take off despite previous data, and then the arrow blowing it up. I did watch it before the cuts when it still made sense though

"don't remember much about Planet of Evil or Creature but Pyramids is kind of terrible despite being huge fun"

oh, pyramids is pulpy as all hell, but like you say, it's just tremendously fun. "planet of evil" is so much worse because it is both kind of terrible and _dull_.

I'd probably go 42->Human Nature for that season. I might need to rewatch Gridlock.

2009, and 2018

This should probably be 2010 (or 2017?) - either way wow it's striking just how much other interests have stolen Moffat's attention.

Disappointing, as on-form Moffatt is as good as Who gets

S5 was made by a new team in 2009 after years of prep by Moffat, S11 will probably be still being made in 18 after a year of prep by Chinballs

but to your point, if we call it eight years

either way wow it's striking just how much other interests have stolen Moffat's attention.

he made six full series of this, a 3D feature film, eight Christmas specials that were often close to feature-length, exec produced hours and hours of anniversary specials, wrote and produced up to an hour a year of bonus mini-episodes and guest appearances, recruited and developed more new writers than any head writer in series history (beating Cartmel in raw numbers and coming close proportionally), oversaw the series becoming a massive international merchandising juggernaut...

...dropped out of a multi-film multi-million dollar contract in Hollywood to take this show on as WFH

...had to take two half-year breaks for exhaustion and burnout and still came back to do an extra year when asked, after leaving, so that there wouldn't be a lull between him and the new guy

...and every single month, whether the show was in production or not, even during his hiatuses from burnout, turned in his DWM column for zero quid.

How many other interests have even had time to steal his attention? He wrote a few episodes of another show* because he needed an occasional break from thinking about Dr Who 27 hours a day - I don't know what else he's been apparently wasting time on.

*since his Who run started, three solo credits, two half-credits and one third-.

I have no doubt that you're right, but isn't he also the main show-runner for Sherlock as well?

Thanks for the offhand mention, sic, I just spent a fun hour reading those DWM columns (they're all transcribed on Reddit). Moffat is good value in avuncular leg-pulling mode.

AF - his duties are shared with Gatiss, and the Vertues are the main producers (Beryl as EP) afaik (but idk much)

thank YOU Chuck for letting me know I might be able to find them myself!