Taking Sides: Heather Graham v.s. Cameron Diaz

Heather Graham, no question. She is hotter and also funnier, i think. 2/2

Heather for sure, for Boogie Nights and Twin Peaks. You've got a brand new pair of roller skates, she's got a brand new key.

im glad i dont live in the sick kind of world that would ever make me choose

bob OTMFM.

not a huge fan of either, but have been impressed by Diaz in roles where she's unsympathetic or unglamorous or generally not being wacky cute rom com girl (In Her Shoes, Bad Teacher, Being John Malkovich, etc.)

almost want to say this poll needs Christina Applegate & Christine Taylor, but I guess they're not in the same league star-wise (Taylor would win though - funnier and in better movies)

i think graham would still win against taylor but it would be close. heather graham is really good at working her positive, bubbly, painfully pretty schtick.

I always forget Graham's in Drugstore Cowboy.

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(gilbert)

This is def. Heather overall, but Cameron wins lifetime hero points for this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3741K68dqo

diaz's career has been a mystery to me for years

heather by like a million miles, austin powers 2 alone justifies her

heather graham in austin powers 2 was really major for me at 12 or whatever i was

i don't think i've seen enough diaz tho; i've never seen any of her Against Type roles except for being john malkovich. she elevated charlie's angels but she wasn't the only one.

for the-dark-side-of-bubbly it's hard to top heather beating that guy w her roller skates tho. and she didn't even have to be in an entirely different movie for that.

also, bowfinger.

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i love Heather Graham so much

Drugstore Cowboy, Swingers, The Hangover. Heather all the way. But it only works for me because 75% of folks love Cameron Diaz.

i don't know anyone who "likes" cameron diaz

this thread is sort of weird to me

Wonder how many votes Diaz will get.

i read an arty a couple years ago making the case for diaz as one of the great screen comediennes of her time, which is something that had honestly never occurred to me, and i dont think i really buy it. she does have an outsize, forceful kind of charisma in the same way tom cruise does, which makes them both grating-yet-memorable - u can call it star quality i guess. a lot of perfectly attractive and talented actors dont really have that and their careers never take off like people expected them to

Will be voting for diaz, like her energy better than grahams winsomeness

Eh also bcos of lol nostalgia resemblance to an ex no srsly

Cameron Diaz reminds me of two different girls I had crushes on back in high school. Heather Graham reminds me of some chicks who would show up to hang out at places I was hanging out at, but after 15 minutes check their pagers and then bounce.

^ based purely on physical resemblance. But I'm also pretty sure that I'd rather just kick it and chill with CD as well.

Voting Diaz b/c there's no question she's actually the more accomplished actress. In that, I mean she has won a critics' prize for best actress. No really, look it up.

i feel like most of the HG roles i've seen haven't required her to be a particularly good actress but she still manages to be a glaringly bad actress

Heather! I like them both though. Totally different types (adorable happy blonde weirdo, shit talkin sweetheart). Both are generally happy (vs cool or brooding) and different and I like that.
But you don't know insults til you have read Heather Graham's imdb bio. I've gotta look it up again, but if iirc it was downright insulting, like "Heather Graham has never had luck in love" and shit like that.

Totally different types (adorable happy blonde weirdo, shit talkin sweetheart). Both are generally happy (vs cool or brooding) and different and I like that.

sounds like Pistol Annies!

It doesn't sound as bad as i made it out to be in retrospect, but they're hardly applauding her fun bouncy openness :(

After high school Heather moved to Los Angeles and got small roles in a variety of films including Drugstore Cowboy (1989). When her career did not take off as quickly as she had hoped, Heather enrolled in the University of California at Los Angeles to get her degree in drama. Heather dropped out of UCLA after two years to pursue her acting career on a full-time basis. She played Annie Blackburn on the cult television series "Twin Peaks" (1990), and co-starred in such films as Shout (1991) and Diggstown (1992). Heather's career prospects began to improve following her brief but memorable appearance in Swingers (1996), a role she received after being taken out swing dancing by Jon Favreau. Heather rose to star in such high-profile films as Boogie Nights (1997), Lost in Space (1998), Austin Powers: The Spy Who Shagged Me (1999), Bowfinger (1999), and From Hell (2001). She also had a recurring role on the popular series "Scrubs" (2001). After starring in her own short-lived sitcom and a number of independent films, she was featured in the blockbuster comedy The Hangover (2009).

Heather has never married, although she has had romances with actors Edward Burns, Heath Ledger, James Woods, Matt Dillon, Josh Lucas, Kyle MacLachlan, Leonardo DiCaprio, Elias Koteas, Benicio Del Toro, Russell Crowe, Scott Speedman, Rufus Sewell and Matthew Perry, musicians Adam Ant, Elijah Allman, and Jason Falkner, directors Stephen Hopkins, Chris Weitz, and Yaniv Raz, and nightclub owner Charles Ferri.

xp -- haha, totally
however they are not singing country songs together! they merely exist in the same industry.

Swingers (1996), a role she received after being taken out swing dancing by Jon Favreau.

like, is this necessary? customary?

Heather has never married, although she has had romances with (DEEP BREATH) actors Edward Burns, Heath Ledger, James Woods, Matt Dillon, Josh Lucas, Kyle MacLachlan, Leonardo DiCaprio, Elias Koteas, Benicio Del Toro, Russell Crowe, Scott Speedman, Rufus Sewell and Matthew Perry, musicians Adam Ant, Elijah Allman, and Jason Falkner, directors Stephen Hopkins, Chris Weitz, and Yaniv Raz, and nightclub owner Charles Ferri.

it is impressive if not only for its variety

not a huge fan of either, but have been impressed by Diaz in roles where she's unsympathetic or unglamorous or generally not being wacky cute rom com girl (In Her Shoes, Bad Teacher, Being John Malkovich, etc.)

― some dude, Tuesday, 4 June 2013 02:53 (12 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

This. She was perfectly cast in Very Bad Things.

almost want to say this poll needs Christina Applegate & Christine Taylor, but I guess they're not in the same league star-wise (Taylor would win though - funnier and in better movies)

― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Tuesday, 4 June 2013 01:53 (21 hours ago) Permalink

Those are both great candidates to be included but, as you mentioned, they're not movie stars on the level of these two -- they're both better known for TV. Plus Applegate can carry a TV show, and movies to a certain extent, but neither Diaz nor Graham have that wide appeal to everyone (Heather's TV show was canceled after one episode for pete's sake) that you can put them in anything as a vehicle. Diaz more of a movie star than Graham, but Diaz couldn't be relied on for romcoms that she alone would carry and that would appeal to female audiences.

I almost put Lisa Kudrow in this poill but she's also more TV and doesn't have the same va-va-voom factor.

Diaz in "The Mask" is also like Graham in "Austin Powers 2," mentioned upthread as being a staple of male adolescent and pre-adolescent interest. Like Jennifer Connolly in "Labyrinth" for the previous generation -- not even a dirty, salacious teenage male thing; if you saw the films as a little boy you still thought the girl in it was amazing and beautiful and, like, a mystery that you wanted to think about.

I'll go with the one who isn't dating Elon Musk.

Heather Graham has been good in way, way more good movies than Diaz, this is not even close.

Heather Graham was awesome in Bowfinger.

I've never thought of either as an actress tbh

like, is this necessary? customary?

no, it's gross. that said, you go, girl

Otm

When I brought this up to a friend, he credited Graham for being the only one to make him laugh at a Portlandia sketch

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiI0S9QV0gI

Game changer.

she was great on portlandia. everyone is great on portlandia though.

i have no real opinion on this Very Important Issue but I will acknowledge that I have had a crush on heather graham since the 1980s!

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i do recall HG being bad in swingers, but it's hard to tell since that movie is very bad in general (and the lighting on HG was particularly unflattering)

Her hair, usually awful, complicates things.

i have no idea what you are talking about

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Her hair is WAY better than C Diaz!! If we're forced to exist in this Diaz-Graham dichotomy, HG wins the battle of hair.

i have no recollection of HG in twin peaks

She played Jeffries in Fire Walk With Me] iirc

love her hair!

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Diaz in "The Mask" is also like Graham in "Austin Powers 2," mentioned upthread as being a staple of male adolescent and pre-adolescent interest. Like Jennifer Connolly in "Labyrinth" for the previous generation -- not even a dirty, salacious teenage male thing; if you saw the films as a little boy you still thought the girl in it was amazing and beautiful and, like, a mystery that you wanted to think about.

― Cunga, Tuesday, June 4, 2013 7:22 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark

otm about the mask

i have no recollection of HG in twin peaks

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

the girl in it was amazing and beautiful and, like, a mystery that you wanted to think about.

cunga otm about little boy psychology

zp is that @ me or HG? i watched it all a few years ago i just don't remember her character at all. i sort of blazed through the end of S2 tho

er *xp

apparently twin peaks fans all hate her

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m72e5f6w3l1rw2is4o1_500.jpg

I remember her in Twin Peaks because she was amazing and beautiful and, like, a mystery that you wanted to think about.

also because the entire series ends with BOB inside Cooper, having smashed his forehead open on a mirror, cackling her name while blood runs down his face

I watched it in 1991

when i watched Twin Peaks for the first time not that long ago, i didn't recognize HG at first and was like woooow who is that, had never been so attracted to her

she's definitely bettered herself as an actress since TP, when she was pretty bad.

HG of course wins this, she gets better looking every year

let's be honest her role in twin peaks sucks and she sucks playing the role.

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akm otm

HG's in her early forties i think

http://hollypost.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/heather-graham-cleavage-the-hangover-part-3-0521-3-400x470.jpg

^She's on the cover of the new Maxim, causing me to actually look past the cover and into an issue for the first time in maybe a year.

HG is 43. Also the only celeb I've seen randomly IRL three different times.

randomly, yeah, tell it to the judge

heather graham. cameron diaz in comedies acts like someone who isn't really that funny but has been constantly told that she's really funny. kind of like justin timberlake. they belong together.

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how hot is heather graham really though? that should be a poll. i vote super hot.

your horny as hell mate

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voting cameron diaz btww

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duh

i have started getting these tiktoks that are celebrity dating histories, and it turns out that cameron diaz has dated some of the worst/most annoying men of our generation:
elon musk (rumored)
criss angel (rumored)
alex rodriguez
adam levine
p diddy
justin timberlake
jared leto
vince neil

she has also been married to benji madden of good charlotte for a decade?

Can a mod erase this thread

but you were right.

this poll got 74 votes?! times have changed here on ilx

democracy in action