the right to smoke crack?

public health is a social construct DO YOU SEE

http://www.missiodeicommunities.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/bored-audience.jpg

ah well it was worth a shot

maybe we could use this thread to talk shit abt crack smokers

i'm sure there's an atlantic piece in here somewhere

wait. is that what kids mean by "hooking up"?

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TLDR but vollman likes it shot gunned up the ass by a prostitute iirc

you know it's funny but i thought of that when i started this thread

You've smoked crack in the past?

I guess that I would say that I have.

Is it a really great buzz?

It's like if you haven't had coffee for a long time, then you have really strong coffee. It's like that, only more so.

Thanks for talking with me.

Thank you Tony for taking the interest and thank you for your nice comments on my book, I appreciate it.

no joke, a lot of my hipster friends in college smoked crack ... guess pot was too soft and heroin was played out? they always got really paranoid ...

horrible drug

^^^ really the least enjoyable way of getting cocaine into your system

Can anyone attest to this - I've known more casual crack smokers from Philly than anywhere else?

i can attest to the fact that you have claimed to believe that you have observed this about your own experience.

c.f. rob ford, mayor of toronto

that reference sailed right above my head and landed somewhere in canada

indeed it did land in canada. specifically toronto, canada. its mayor, rob ford, is alleged to have smoked crack. it's funny, depressing, and tragic in equal measures.

or perhaps unequal measures. i dunno.

i have a family member who is an addict. vile fucking substance this is.

agreed that it is a vile and terrible problem. sorry to hear about your family member, treeship. it's not my intention to make sport of it.

it's cool, softspool. thanks.

the only thing worse than addictive drugs, imo, is the legislation that does nothing but make criminals out of people suffering from a disease and empower narcotraffickers. it's hard for me to think about these drugs (late at night, when i've had some drinks and my resiliency is worn down) without feeling depressed.

just to give you some context, treeship, ford's legacy is more borne out of being a terrible mayor, regardless. these crack allegations just add to a pile of misdeeds to the city. however, obviously there are countless 'ordinary' toronto citizens struggling due to crack use. what is troubling to torontonians is that ford would be the last to suggest city-funded solutions to aid the issues that exist.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsfnuyyjaB0

i tutored two kids who were under the impression that obama "smokes crack," present tense. i didn't succeed in changing their minds about this one.

what's up with that?

racism

but racism absorbed from the culture, not their parents. assumptions about how the world is that they wouldn't recognize as "racist".

in terms of me not convincing them otherwise, they were in the habit of reflexively disagreeing with everything i said, which made my job as a tutor pretty hard

thx am0n :-D

My first hit of crack ranks in the list of the perfect moments in my life. It only works once though.

no joke, a lot of my hipster friends in college smoked crack ... guess pot was too soft and heroin was played out? they always got really paranoid ...

― the late great, Saturday, July 20, 2013 7:18 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

horrible drug

― IIIrd Datekeeper (contenderizer), Saturday, July 20, 2013 7:21 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

^^^ really the least enjoyable way of getting cocaine into your system

― tight in the runs (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Saturday, July 20, 2013 11:14 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

these three posts p much sum it all up

also treeship if you want to know about Rob Ford then just type the word 'crackstarter' in the ilx search function

he looks kind of like rush limbaugh.

yep. those other threads do a more than adequate job filling in ford's scenario

another highly esteemed non-Preterite drug addict xp

I feel like I should elaborate on my flippant post above. Cocaine, and crack in particular, are terrifying, but so is life. For a couple of seconds when reality shifts and everything slows down and feels right with the world, you can be truly relaxed in the moment. 12 hours later you are lying on a stained carpet afraid of a heart attack. That is the story of a few weeks or months of my life in the early 90's when something other than beer and music stole my attention for days at a time.

It ruined my neighborhood and few of my friends.

yeah I was basically too terrified of crack to do it more than four or five times (though tbh I've always been kind of a wuss about buzzes). There's an amazing rush which lasts for about twenty minutes and then like the worst comedown ever which lasts for at least two hours, but really is guaranteed to ruin the next couple of days, which is why the impulse to spend all the money you have on your person to get as much of it as you can is so strong...

do you think that the cultural meaning of crack is generally nihilistic? like, do people ever do it if they are in a very healthy, positive place in their lives or is there always an element of self-destruction involved? by "always" i mean more than 90%ish of the time.

this doesn't even have to do with how dangerous it is, really. it's just that crack seems to signify self-destruction... like, it fits neatly into anecdotes about "low points" or "out of control" periods in peoples' lives. i wonder if people are ever motivated to do it just to collect that anecdote -- that low point -- or to feel like they have reached the end of something, and can abandon drugs now without regret.

alternately, i've suspected in the past that some people subconsciously hope to become addicts. like, having one thing -- an organizing principle -- to build one's life around, an addiction, seems from the outside to be a good way to simplify life, but not just that, also give it structure and meaning. the reality of drug addiction is clearly nothing like this. but still, that has always been my suspicion with addictions. alcoholics i have known do it in part, it seems, because it's better to just build your life around the next drink than it is to build it around nothing.

Lol im getting a pvmic vibe here.

I just switched to touch screen for the night but these are interesting q's that I wouldn't mind answering later

the last word on this topic: Is crack cocaine really so bad?

All that stuff about "being an addict" seems to ignore the first part. Some people like getting high. Getting high can become necessary. All the rest seems like after the fact constructions and justifications.

Liking crack did help me realize I wanted to go to my first rehab, so to the extent it was a low point or had some "meaning", that's only some part of a story, and I mean story, you tell at a meeting. I did it because it was there and I did what was there. If I'd been stronger, richer, or lower, I might have done it for years.

I didn't do inhalants as a child, pot and alcohol as a tween, lsd as a teen, and coke as a young adult because I was in the plot of a self written drama. or, Maybe I did. I'm drunk right now and over-sharing on the internet. Everyone does things for different reasons. Maybe for some people choices are symbolic while they are happening, and maybe they become symbolic after the fact. Chugging a bottle of whiskey in an act of suicidal self-negation is different from having a party with a friend. You can end up with the same result.

I do love the moment when not high turns into high. I get to experience it nearly every day, but I'm not sure I'm appreciating it as much as I used to.

alternately, i've suspected in the past that some people subconsciously hope to become addicts. like, having one thing -- an organizing principle -- to build one's life around, an addiction, seems from the outside to be a good way to simplify life, but not just that, also give it structure and meaning. the reality of drug addiction is clearly nothing like this. but still, that has always been my suspicion with addictions. alcoholics i have known do it in part, it seems, because it's better to just build your life around the next drink than it is to build it around nothing.

― Treeship, Sunday, 21 July 2013 07:21 (2 hours ago) Permalink

no lie this is what I did (consciously, deliberately) with cigarettes

Other relevant threads:

crack

I almost smoked "ready rock" once because it was described to me as "like crack, but less addictive." I later learned that, nope, it's just crack! Glad I didn't go for it.

My wife smoked crack once and apparently she became so personally intolerable to the people she was smoking crack with that they banished her to some park in Baltimore in the middle of the night to walk the dog for several hours, which she was really, really happy to do on crack.

I was advised yesterday in all seriousness -- and it may be true! -- that the reason my neighbourhood has seen a very distinct rise in street-corner dealing over the last few months is that the all the young professionals who've arrived with gentrification are looking for crack but don't want those who sell it to turn up at their house

anyway the gentrification bit is just a fact, but is the crack bit true also?