well we might as well start a Krokodil thread because it's the Internet so it's going to happen anyway

Gah

Not an iltmi thread because I hope to god none of you fuckers have done this shit

What is it?

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/09/26/heroin-krokodil-flesh-rotting-arrives-us-arizona/2879817/

you take this drug and within minutes Unsane are taking photos of you

Fuck

Known on the street as "krokodil," the caustic homemade opiate is made from over-the-counter codeine-based headache pills mixed with iodine, gasoline, paint thinner or alcohol. When it's injected, the concoction destroys a user's tissue, turning the skin scaly and green like a crocodile. Festering sores, abscesses and blood poisoning are common ...

Krokodil became popular in Russia because heroin can be difficult to obtain and is expensive. Krokodil costs three times less, and the high is similar to heroin though much shorter, usually 90 minutes.

Do we know if it's being sold as heroin to addicts, or as a separate thing?

And is it cheaper than meth?

i'm on it right now and fuck u

is the crocodile skin a side effect or a feature?

Oh lord, it's over here now? This is a fucking nightmare. I don't think there's any way that it won't be sold as heroin to addicts.

http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120811191025/batman/images/1/16/Killer_Croc-Deathgrip.png

This shit sounds grim as hell.

...and it looks even worse. not sure why I GIS'ed krokodil wounds but fuuuuuuuck

Yeah I made that mistake as well.

Same, think I concentrated a bit too much on "turning the skin scaly and green like a crocodile" (fun!) and not enough on "Festering sores, abscesses and blood poisoning are common"

I'm pretty sure I read about this a couple of years ago, and then the news stories stopped. Because it doesn't exist? Who knows?

this is some fucking grim shit (note: haven't and will never GIS)

yeah just for emphasis, do not make the mistake i made

Basically, what I learned from it is that if you want to end up looking like Carcass could make an album entirely about your lower arm, then krokodil is definitely the drug for you.

First heard about it in this article: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/krokodil-the-drug-that-eats-junkies-2300787.html

Horrific stuff

I made that mistake too. I wish I hadn't. Cannot be unseen.

xp

Because it doesn't exist? Who knows?

It sounds like an urban myth in the vein (lol) of the whole "rainbow party" scare or whatever. But then again, I thought bath salts were made up, too. Also maybe I am underestimating people's willingness to harm themselves for fun.

A street drug that rots you from the inside imported from Siberia is totally some 80s William Gibson dystopic SciFi shit

so do people only do this by accident or...

btw a hearty FUCK YOU to HuffPo for putting krokodil pics in the side bar next to an article about Kanye West

I mean, it was a grainy picture so I could pretend it wasn't real but gross

my beautiful dark oozing necrostices

I read that Independent article a few years ago, too. I don't think it's an urban myth, but at the time it did seem like something that only made sense in the context of Russian junkiehood (which, maybe unfairly, strikes me as a particularly grim form of junkiehood).

wasn't there a noize board thread on this? or maybe it was just in one of the o_O threads... shit's been around for years

anybody wanna see some youtube videos?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GydC3OtAqOs

horrifying

who the fuck wants to see Youtube videos of this

I'm pretty sure I read about this a couple of years ago, and then the news stories stopped.

reminds me of cheese

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/a3/Streettrash.jpg/220px-Streettrash.jpg

truly thought this was a myth a la jenkem or buttchugging or w/e

A street drug that rots you from the inside imported from Siberia is totally some 80s William Gibson dystopic SciFi shit

― Your Own Personal El Guapo (kingfish), Friday, September 27, 2013 9:50 AM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

some 00s vladimir sorokin dystopic scifi shit

Hahaha, I love Street Trash.

the worst thing ever is the gis results for

krokodil drug

― nakhchivan, Wednesday, 13 July 2011 23:21

seriously disgusting:

http://i44.tinypic.com/28l89kk.png

can't believe I just clicked on that, there are no words

yeah sorry should have put a warning there :/

if you think that's bad definitely don't look at this

http://a2.img.mobypicture.com/7293ad113f3e271d9a1fe24279dcb2dc_view.jpg

seriously guys, why are you doing this

what next, a jenkem thread

Wouldn't surprise me if they were Russian ex-pats. This hasn't really spread at all outside of those communities afaict.

[.....ILX.....(...fuck you...]....rotten.com....)

attn jjj, this thread is calling you: your terrible ideas

Remember reading about it a couple of years ago. Amazed that people actually do it when they see the results around them, or is it actually supposed to be that good a high?

How long does it take before it starts having negative physical effect or is it inevitable?

Krokodil coming straight from the description of what it does to the skin ought to be enough of a warning in itself, quite apart from seeing what it does to those around you.
I guess crack addiction can't be very pleasant to be around either but this stuff looks even worse surely.
So presumably it must be both cheap and effective? Or people wouldn't touch it.

Some people wanna get high and turn into alligators--not that hard to understand

Bad lieutenant iirc

Maybe that the addiction (originally, I am guessing, to heroin) is so strong that it doesn't matter what it does to the person?

There's a vice documentary about this stuff. Seems mostly popular with homeless kids living in the grimmest parts of Russia.

Remember reading about it a couple of years ago. Amazed that people actually do it when they see the results around them, or is it actually supposed to be that good a high?

Drug supply/prices fluctuate = sometimes you need a hit, no junk available = you take what's there. Krokodil is there.

now available in the chicagoland area.

krokin in the suburbs!

I know what I'm bringing to the next potluck event!

remember, no mustard on chicago-style krokodil

ARGH no ketchup

I'm going to go do krokodil to ease the pain of that gaffe

http://gothamist.com/2013/10/11/horrifying_flesh-eating_krokodil_dr.php

remember, no mustard on chicago-style krokodil

― dan m, Thursday, October 10, 2013 9:14 PM (2 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

ARGH no ketchup

I'm going to go do krokodil to ease the pain of that gaffe

― dan m, Thursday, October 10, 2013 9:15 PM (2 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

it's not food its some shit dope y'all

Somebody on Facebook upped a link to a story about Krokodil hitting hip clubs in Manhattan yesterday. Apparently somebody was thrown out for offering hits of Krokodil around the club or however he promoted his wares. & the image of somebody going around a club that was actually thought to be both current and popular soliciting a drug like that really surprses me. Wouldn't have thought anybody would be going around soliciting anyway, more they will come to you and you will turn them away if you don't know them I would have thought.

Can't find the link unfortunately

actually, this is it
http://gothamist.com/2013/10/11/horrifying_flesh-eating_krokodil_dr.php

was your facebook friend ilx user cardamon?

and was facebook actually this thread?

I didn't say that the person on Facebook was also on ILX did I? I don't think it was anybody I know from here, though I can't remember who it was anyway.

stevolende:

well we might as well start a Krokodil thread because it's the Internet so it's going to happen anyway

Thought this was about the 70s band from Switzerland <----- ILM geek

yeah was hoping there would be some discussion on 2066 and Then.

Didn't see the ealier posting, just came over to say that I'd read that & wouldn't know a URL offhand anyway.

Do very much find it odd taht somebody would be dragging attention to themselves by peddling drugs if that does mean what I'd take it to mean. & that there was even a potential market in a trendy club like that.

Heh, I was just giving you shit. Anyway, yeah. Krokodil doesn't strike me as the kind of drug that one would seriously try to sling at a popular nightspot. Who is this "Sal Ramirez" they cite as their source.

oh, this is him.

http://www.linkedin.com/in/salram

and here's his original research on the matter for Thought Catalog

http://thoughtcatalog.com/2013/krokodil-hits-the-streets-of-nyc/

Sources tell me that the club he refers to as "Westgay" is actually named "Westway".

Oh nevermind. Westgay is Westway's gay night.

Can't have woken up properly this morning yet. I think I meant An Invisible World Revealed when I named a different krautrock band instead.

That's what all that reading about Krokodil does to your brain, Stevolende.

Have only heard about the physical effects so far, assume the mental ones must be pretty nasty too.

The NYC report looks extremely dubious to me.

It's also slightly odd that some of the reported cases appear to be longer-term users but there was no 'documented' sign of the drug until a few wells ago.

Weeks rather than wells.

yeah this really feels like "we heard about this thing that nobody can resist reading stuff about, let's whip up an GROWING THREAT" to me

isn't cheap heroin already kinda cheap or am i wrong? i mean for people in the states not siberia. how much cheaper could some fucked up drug made out of gasoline be that it would be an attractive option over heroin?

Yeah, I don't know NY or its drugs scene, but people straight up offering to sell injecting drugs doesn't sound realistic to me

The users who were treated in IL claim that they thought they were buying heroin.

http://www.cnn.com/video/?/video/us/2013/10/17/dnt-two-sisters-victims-of-flesh-eating-drug-krokodil.wls&hpt=hp_t2&from_homepage=yes#/video/us/2013/10/17/dnt-two-sisters-victims-of-flesh-eating-drug-krokodil.wls

Everything about that video is breaking my heart.