battered womens syndrome c/d

The self-defence law is weighted against women: it is fine if you lose your temper and kill someone immediately, but no good if the abuser has the physical advantage, as is almost always the case - these women have no chance at all any other way. Several men have been let off of murder charges, on the other hand, where they have claimed provocation on the basis of nagging.

A few points: two women are murdered a week in the UK by partners/ex-partners, and no one pays attention. When it is the other way round it is big news.

If you imagine domestic violence is typically the odd slap or punch when the man gets drunk, you are very, very misinformed. I am not going to start detailing how monstrous it gets, because there are things I've heard that are so grotesque and evil that it would feel very nasty to tell you about them. The long-term psychological abuse is, if the woman survives, generally far more difficult to recover from than the physical abuse, horrible as that sometimes is.

Suggestions that the woman could just leave rather miss the mark, in very many cases: the woman is sometimes convinced that no one would believe her, that no one would care, that she deserves the abuse, that if she tells anyone he will kill her. She may have little reason to doubt that - the courts are still pretty hopeless with what some judges still insanely see as a private matter. It's not that long since the police took both parties in one case to the station, then locked them in a room together to sort themselves out. They hadn't even searched the man, and he stabbed the woman to death with a knife he was carrying. And refuges have an ugly reputation, not always deserved, and are not always entirely secure.

Families are very often no help at all, and usually seem to advise the woman to stay with the man - especially if there are children. Most mothers in these circumstances have heard "for the sake of the children" many times. They often believe it - yet in OVER 80% of cases where the mother is being abused, the man is abusing the children too!

That is too long a rant already. Women in these circumstances often feel helpless, with nowhere to turn, and with two ways out: her death (by far the most common, even discounting suicides) or his. If there is strong evidence of serious and sustained abuse, I think that should be enough to clear the woman.

i grew up in an emotionally abusive household and this is what my mother always said to me.... she was staying with my dad for the sake of us kids. but we were wearing it as much as she was, my older brother was even more abusive than my father, he would beat me up almost every day and whenever my mum tried to intervene he would just beat her up too. and its so true that abuse breeds abuse, by the time i was 16 i was getting into physical fights with my mother, as if she didn't have enough to deal with. and its left its scar on me permanently, because in every relationship i get into i just repeat mum and dads screaming matches, and i find it very hard to control my anger and i have been known to pull a punch or too.

Women are still blamed for their own abuse; women don't want to admit to being abused; it is associated with lower classes (this is stereotyping and nothing to do with reality); it is massively underreported, and almost everyone grossly underestimates its prevalence, and (as I said earlier) its degree. People need to hear more about it. I have no solutions in the case of this woman, but I think changing these false ideas is part of what is needed in the long term in this area.

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Germany 10-0 Argentina L

Correa o.g. 13
Garefrekas 17
Behringer 25
Prinz 31
Prinz 45
Lingor 51
Smisek 57
Prinz 59
Smisek 70
Smisek 79

Bookings:
Laudehr 60

Bookings:
Gomez 16
Chavez 20
Gonzalez 56

That Martin, he's a good and reasonable guy.

ARGENTINA BRINGING THE LAFFS

jesus you're a douche.

Jokes Bruv Jagger

Hey hey JBJ, how many lulz did you bring today?

did louis think of the joke, then wonder if there was a thread on ILX about 'battered women', then search and revive just to make the joke?

break it down for me pip

Yeah Louis wtf?

Oh dear.

Ill-considered.

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This came up on the first or second page of a futile search for 'women's football/soccer', and has hence turned into a progress report on the Argentinian World Cup side, and their heroic if somewhat calamitous defence.

please just go away

Do you ever actually think before pressing submit? I mean, ever, at all?

To spell it out: Argentina lost their opening game 11-0 to Germany, a game in which their keeper scored two OGs.

Argentina then lost their second game 1-0 to Japan, the goal coming in the last minute as the result of a horrendous keeping error.

Now, as I type, they find themselves 2-0 down to England, with a bullet-header OG and a keeping nightmare responsible for the scoreline.

I couldn't find a women's soccer thread, and since these were only passing observations I felt I could record them here, a thread which came up in the search, 'battered' being light-hearted English slang for losing heavily at football.

This is just the internet, lighten the fuck up!

it's the message not the medium.

Louis, did you actually read the thread before posting your ever-so-amusing joke? I have no idea how much the original 'anon' poster checks in on this board any more and you probably don't either, but ffs get one sense of tact.

Settle in, here we go again.

Louis, save the thread 500 posts. Hold your hands up and go "Shit, yeah, that was unforgivably crass of me", then step away.

i don't get it.

He's saying that we should bomb all Muslims, I think

Hmm, having had a glance, the thread's previous incarnation doesn't paint me in particularly favourable colours. Yeah, given the juxtaposition, it was crass. I'm sorry.

I'll start a new thread for the WWC.

thanks for spelling that out for us, louis, sometimes us plebs really struggle to keep up to your dazzling intellect. i hadn't realized argentina was on the verge of losing their THIRD straight game; in retrospect that completely justifies your highjacking of a sensitive thread to make a cheap joke about spousal abuse. my bad!

haha shit. oh well.

we have to travel back in time and assassinate me before i start ile

i hadn't realized argentina was on the verge of losing their THIRD straight game; in retrospect that completely justifies your highjacking of a sensitive thread to make a cheap joke about spousal abuse

I will only say this in my defence: the original hi-jacking came as a result of Argentina's astonishing 11-0 defeat a week ago, and today's update was just a continuation of that. I'm sorry it came on such a harrowing, serious thread. That's all. Not posting here again.

Can we just lock the battered women thread?

I kinda wanna see how bad this can get, tho?

well, louis said he won't post again, so i'm sure it'll be fine.

^^^ Funniest post to the thread so far

get one sense of tact

vs

I thought he was already dead so this sort of counted as a pleasant surprise.

Louis 4 Mayor

LJ brings the Bad News Bears Do Japan level of Bad News.