For how long do you consecutively stay in character?

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change socks every day

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I want to give a proper answer, but I find it difficult to answer this question

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xp - wins do you like The Pop Group?

Wtf does this even mean

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bah

sarahell: yes I do! Though I've only heard Y. Didn't make it to any of the reunion gigs but would have liked to.

lol that img works actually xp

i think it means hexy is going to pull the curtain back soon

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sarahel i like the pop group too

i like the cocker spaniel

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i'm only in character on ilx

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tbh this is a very goffman question. i like it a lot.

If we never tried to seem a little better than we are, how could we improve or "train ourselves from the outside inward?" And the same impulse to show the world a better or idealized aspect of ourselves finds an organized expression in the various professions and classes, each of which has to some extent a cant or pose, which its members assume unconsciously, for the most part, but which has the effect of a conspiracy to work upon the credulity of the rest of the world. There is a cant not only of theology and of philanthropy, but also of law, medicine, teaching, even of science -- perhaps especially of science, just now, since the more a particular kind of merit is recognized and admired, the more it is likely to be assumed by the unworthy.

goffman is so extreme tho. every incidence of self becomes a performance. the way you perform w/ your colleagues, with your bosses, with your family, with yourself. it's kinda bleak.

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This question assumes facts not introduced as evidence.

every incidence of self becomes a performance. the way you perform w/ your colleagues, with your bosses, with your family, with yourself. it's kinda bleak.

― Mordy , Thursday, November 14, 2013 5:43 PM (38 minutes ago)

not at all! i find it rather comforting. and self-evident besides.

How is this thread from present-day and not 2006.

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I have been in character since 9:56 pm on December 9, 2010

I think its bleak. I hate nothing more than realizing an instance when i acted inconsistently with how i like to imagine i really am.

xp to contenderizerrr sry

i once talked like william burroughs for so long i forgot how to un-talk like william burroughs. it was a little scary.

I guess I think it's bleak bc I'd like to believe that there exists in at least some of my relationships an intimate transcendence that resists schematization/theorizing. I don't know that goffman forecloses that possibility but he doesn't seem particularly interested in it either

c21m50nh3x460n, have you ever read the short story 'Man's Best Friend' by Patricia Highsmith? I like this story, but I don't really have anything clever to say about it.

i read a story called "Friend's Best Man" the other day

it were about a dog called Friend iirc

Knowing that an audience is capable of forming bad impressions of someone, an individual may come to feel ashamed of a well-intentioned honest act merely because the context of its performance provides false impressions that are bad. Feeling this unwarranted shame, she may feel that her feelings can be seen; feeling that she is thus seen, she may feel that her appearance confirms these false conclusions concerning her. She may then add to the precariousness of her position by engaging in just those defensive manoeuvres that she would employ were she really guilty.

In this way, it is possible for all of us to become fleetingly for ourselves the worst person we can imagine that others might imagine us to be.

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People tire me out.

c21m50nh3x460n, the 'Only when out with friends' option is interesting to me- do you think you are more likely to stay in character when with friends or when you are alone?

in general r u happy w/ the persona that you've developed or do you strive to develop a better one?

what's the relationship between ethics + persona? is being a good person a performance or can good ppl be packaged in infinite ways?

I'm split on this.

I know ILX is an acronym that means I Love (X), where x is a variable. So, I Love Music, Everything, Books, etc.

And the -or suffix is kind of a nominalisation.

Funny thing is, I always naturally interpreted this as incorrect, because my mind wants to do this ILXer, not ILXor.

So the split part comes as what Aimless said above, I Love XOR. So when I say it, I say it this way, not I-L-X'er.

― c21m50nh3x460n, Thursday, 2 May 2013 18:41 (11 minutes ago)

This post of yours was re-posted to the 'posts very much in character' thread, would you agree that it is 'in character'?

c21m50nh3x460n, the 'Only when out with friends' option is interesting to me- do you think you are more likely to stay in character when with friends or when you are alone?

― a band called 'Affairs'. They play instruments (soref), Friday, November 15, 2013 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I'm not a psychologist, but I know there was a time when the popular belief was that when one was alone, she was truest to her character/psyche. There were many versions of this concept expressed even amongst writers and poets a long time ago. It seems like a lot of this has been put on the back burner as psychology tries to establish itself as a serious pseudoscience, as I do not think it can ever be a science.

So, creating a puppet/example for this type of inquiry works beautifully. Within this example, I'd wager that most people conform to norms that do not naturally belong to their character, as much of it is learnt. I mean, this is what 'the norm' does to most. Rules and social etiquette exist for a reason.

But, though I believe most of us conform to these social constructs, there is something that I somewhat admire in those who rebel against society as a construct. When I was a kid, I think I used to admire them a lot more, but I guess experience appeases the self. Plus, I noticed these type of people are usually anarchists and/or misanthropes. So, for example, they're motivated by misanthropy, but I only admire the output. The input is misanthropy, so to speak. I'm simplifying quite a bit here for the sake of brevity. So...I have become considerably less misanthropic as I get older. And this creates a dilemma for me. I am against the actions inputted into a misanthrope, because I believe these actions to be negative and unneeded. Yet I admire the output because it allows misanthropes to be slightly more committed to their truest character, if genuine display of one's true character is itself a demonstration of commitment to character. Where 'display' would need to be analysed, developed and debated.

I think I'll end this thought with regard to what you've said here.

in general r u happy w/ the persona that you've developed or do you strive to develop a better one?

― Mordy , Friday, November 15, 2013 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

what's the relationship between ethics + persona? is being a good person a performance or can good ppl be packaged in infinite ways?

― Mordy , Friday, November 15, 2013 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

resistance is not necessarily a truer self but I can see how it may seem like a fresher/more novel self + it's important to keep things interesting. goffman says anyway that performances can be either authentic or inauthentic. you can perform in a way that is "true to yourself" or a way that is not.

Right.

Except you mentioned the word 'infinite', which changes everything.

Also, I think we are always either resisting or surrendering.

yeah - is goodness a performance or maybe a nuance/subtext to performance. i was thinking last night that affect and performance mix very nicely bc affective spaces are kinda the group + personal contexts within which performance arises and is colored. obv i want to say that goodness (or godliness) is something transcendent/divine which maybe elides performance entirely - it is almost non-performative, but linked in some way to affect.

thoughts > speech > actions ::
'soulness' > affect > performance

My character has become myself.

Mordy, I appreciate your way of thinking, but I do not agree with it. Let me think about how to best express it and if I don't get lazy, I'll try to post it.

ok i just want to clarify that the first set is only a metaphor for the second set. i think thoughts, speech and action can all be performative expressions (tho 'performance' itself implies a listener so we're talking I & I here). but that in a looser sense the former layers establishes the parameters in which the performance (or action) arise. assuming we're not talking radical contingency presumably you had the thought b4 you had the action.

Okay

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to stay in character wouldn't one have to have some idea of their true self to begin with?

My character is my self. I am an experiment in being who I make myself.

No! That's the best part. You just need the specs. (xp)

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There are nothing but characters, nested inside of each other, changing day to day. Life is being at the center of a tornado with no idea what is in the tornado with you. This question doesn't make much sense to me because I don't think there is an alternative to a 'character'. Like, there is no real, core, ultimate ME that is at the foundation of everything.

Well, maybe there is but I'm just so socially awkward that my faith in my characters is non-existent.

you're like a goldfish floating in the bowl of your externalised form, waiting to be tipped into a judgemental audience

There are nothing but characters, nested inside of each other, changing day to day. Life is being at the center of a tornado with no idea what is in the tornado with you. This question doesn't make much sense to me because I don't think there is an alternative to a 'character'. Like, there is no real, core, ultimate ME that is at the foundation of everything.

― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Friday, November 15, 2013 3:43 PM (1 hour ago)

otm. it is tempting to conceive of the "self" as a fixed point at the center of a whirling field of thoughts, feelings and experiences. emotions come upon us and go, change over time, but the self seems to persist unchanged. this is an illusion. there is no fixed self, no persistent observer. there is only the cloud of thoughts, feelings and experiences, ever changing. there is is no absolute "me". i am only my own fluctuating sense of what i might be, how i might seem to others, how my internal landscape adjusts to an eternal, kaleidoscopic moment.

but forever denied the true clarity of ultimate exposure by the horrors

i don't find the postmodern-zen-radical-complication-of-the-enlightenment-subject idea comforting right now but there was a time when i did

What is your most comforting way to construct identity, Treeship? Personally I go in for structuralist approaches to mind/body dualism. I like if you can map it all on a graph.

i think mind/body dualism is probably an illusion but it is a foundational one that structures everything about our understanding of the self. it doesn't seem possible to really let go of the illusion of the self, if that means viewing our thinking from this ideal, detached, phenomenological standpoint. people have an impulse toward narrativizing themselves, and establishing coherence in there own biographies, and even though this is always a projection and always mystifying to a degree, i don't know if it is something we necessarily can/should do away with, or what it would mean to really believe that there is no self, really.

i don't reject the self, only the self as a fixed point, the eye of the storm. i see change as the essence of the self. it's tempting to construct a through-line, an "i" that is larger than and encompasses all seeming fluctuation. this is what i'm suspicious of.

i'm reading crime and punishment atm. though raskolinov doesn't strike me as an entirely satisfactory portrait of "ordinary", everyday human psychology, he makes more sense to me than the superficially coherent characters that populate most fiction. he is not any single long-form thing. instead, he is in constant flux, changing both in response to the external moment and within himself.

the phrase, "i have changed my mind," for example, is too often used to camouflage this sort of variability, implying that the mind is subject to the will of the self. i think the opposite is true: "my mind has changed, and changed me in turn."

"my mind has changed me", etc.

Time may change me, but I can't trace time.

Where is my me
Where is my me
Where is myyyyyy me

^^ posts very much in character

Mordy (Mordechai? Please correct me if I'm wrong),

Goffman's daughter, who is also a sociologist, will be publishing a book soon and there's an article about it here: http://chronicle.com/article/The-American-Police-State/142965/

In a book coming out this spring, Goffman, now a 31-year-old assistant professor at the University of Wisconsin at Madison, documents how the expansion of America's penal system is reshaping life for the poor black families who exist under the watch of its police, prison guards, and parole officers.

I'm not sure if it's your thing, and they barely talk about her dad, but it was an interesting read, nonetheless.

Very interesting piece, thanks for sharing. And about my city too - I had no idea. I'll def have to check her book out.

(And yes, Mordechai is right, but for most ppl, unpronounceable.)

Mordecai Richler

yeah, i guess it's the guttural 'ch' sound that gives ppl trouble

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'personal identity' is a scam we perpetrated on the poor kids to preoccupy them away from our social media

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