Scanty Clothing in Vid clips - P!nk, Xtine, Britney & others

Am I alone on this one?

It's like, these girls are singers - we're meant to like them for their voices, not their bodies

Since when?

There are planty of songers out there that the we can love for their voices. Sex is part and parcle. I can handle it, and do handle it quite often. (comedy trombone). ok, that was lame-o

hmm, plenty of songers. Nice one kinski, you tard

Kinski = songist.

How the hell are you meant to get any idea of someones personality from a fucking music video anyway.

Quite right. Instead, you watch the behind the scenes coverage.

no i agree with you toraneko. i am also sick of the whole "fuck me' video thing and know of people with little girls ( ie: 7 or 8 ) who want to dress and dance like their favourite singer. scarey.
no its not the responsibility of these women to be prim and proper in case young girls get the wrong idea, but honestly, do we really NEED it for every video?

Music videos are made to attract our attention, and sell the single. It seems unsurprising that sex plays a big part in these, as it's good at attracting attention and selling things. It seems entirely unsurprising that if the pop star is sexy (I can't say I'm sexually excited by Britney, but many seem to be) this will be part of what she uses (or her record company has her use, whatever) in her performing. It's by no means a new thing - Madonna is the obvious example from the earlier days of video.

I don't say this to support it, in general - the kind of thing Toraneko is complaining about is very often a recipe for an unimaginative and dull vid (though Madonna has been a counterexample several times) - just to say that it hardly seems new.

I am the only person my age I know who is actually shocked by this. I think it's unnecessary and ugly (Lady Marmalade was pretty, though, and it was about prostitutes so that can pass). And it seems really desperate, like there's nothing better they can do besides show off their bodies, and if that were me I'd be depressed.

search: DAPHNE Aguilera

i'm with you toraneko. i think its really sad that popstars are marketted for their TALENT *snigger snigger* and not their talent.

actually i was around at doorag's house not long ago and flicked through a copy of rolling stone magazine, a page at the back showed examples of covers from the last 12 months. where a woman was on the cover, she was scantily clad and in some pose suggestive of sexual availability. But where men were on the cover, NONE were slantily clad and there was nothing suggesting sexual availability. it was fukkin tragic, made it obv what a woman has to do to make it in the music industry.

and i've noticed it myself, i played a show not long ago wearing a pretty filthy dress, thinking it was kinda cool, me not being the most skinny of women. and afterwards, even though i'd played a pretty lame set, heaps of guys were trying to tell me how fantastic i was. i decided right then and there that i would never wear anything skimpy on stage again because i want people to enjoy my music, not how they perceive me to be because of what i wore.

It's well known that men have sex with their clothes on whilst women take their's off.

This is true; see: Mapplethorpe's "Man in a Polyester Suit"

you can't get anything abt personality from a video. i choose to avoid 'em myself since i mostly don't like the music.

ow... its like 1998 all over again

New UPS ads depict UPS delivery men as hunks in the cute shorts who you get to see and flirt with every day at the office.

"I'm starting to think that a burka is a far more appropriate (and feminist) form of dress than a g-string bikini or leather hot pants." - Prove it (action not words).

i'm, er, going to quote myself, only cause i think it suits this thread better:

(i mean, wouldn't it be best if all this hypersexualized one-upsmanship finally delivered on its promise and cured us all of our collective blue balls by culminating in one great big PSYCHIC GANG BANG? then maybe we could finally stop pretending that the sight of a pop star in a bikini was shocking and admit what we're really (if not latently) doing by busily 'discussing' it)

-- mark p (mpytlik@rogers.com), Wednesday 1:05 PM. (Mark P)

I don't enjoy nakedness in videos, it's embarassing, I don't know where to look. It leaves me feeling that neither the music nor the video was designed for me, which is fine: I don't need to watch it.

I would unhappy to think that girls (or boys) were having their ideas of feminity formed by those videos, but I don't know how far this is true (not knowing many children) and I doubt that censorship is the answer

All the clothes the teen stores sell are really skimpy, (actually that's probably a MUCH larger factor) so censorship would be no help.

otto : do you like that song by holly valence?
doorag : no
otto : i like it but i don't like the part where she's naked

actually i was around at doorag's house not long ago and flicked through a copy of rolling stone magazine
this is kind of off the point but i would like to stress that (1) that is the only copy of Rolling Stone in my house (2) i didnt buy it, jane didnt buy it, richy didnt buy it either, it just sort of turned up.

It's proved by the fact that when wearing a burka you almost can't judge a woman on/value a woman for her physical attributes (other than height & bulk), you have to judge her one what she says and does.

The problem is that so long as people feel the need to objectify women and obsess over them physically, when burka-ed her voice and the way she moves would become more open to sexual interpretation - like the way ankles were in Victorian times or how women's eyes and hands are in cultures where they are all that is revealed.

The problem is that we a programmed in such a way that when we see a woman's body we are distracted by it to the point that it affects everything about how we perceive that woman, her ideas, her behaviour etc.

It doesn't happen so much with men's physical presence on either a social, sub-cultural or individual level.

The arguement is that it is not inevitable and natural, rather that it is a result of our society/culture/upbringing/religion/media or whatever and that by reducing the structures, language, media (and art?) that perpetrates the current response to and influence of the female form all women will be released from the currently imposed burden of having a female body.

I'm moving this to "I'm starting to think that a burka is a far more appropriate (and feminist) form of dress than a g-string bikini or leather hot pants."