Why would i be a bad priest

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Aside from the porn loving ribald homosexual aesthic loving thing. The priest in charge of vocations wants to talk to me.

anthony easton (anthony), Saturday, 5 October 2002 21:18 (twenty-three years ago)

Rather than dwelling on the negative, refer to that essay I sent you -- seems to me that you can be you and still a priest. :-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 5 October 2002 21:30 (twenty-three years ago)

Anthony it's obvously something I could envisage doing (not being Catholic for starters) so any advice starts with this handicap.

I'd say with something like the priesthood which is a vocation rather than just a career only you would know whether you'd be able to fulfil it's strict demands. I would imagine it'll be like when someone is wrestling with their sexual identity. They will know if they're gay or straight even if it takes sometime to realise it and be at peace with their choice. Likewise You'll know whether or not your faith compels you to become a priest, or whether it's just a symptom of a temporary spell of uncertainty with your life.

Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Saturday, 5 October 2002 21:38 (twenty-three years ago)

Ist line should be something I could'nt envisage doing....

Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Saturday, 5 October 2002 21:39 (twenty-three years ago)

In other words don't rush into any decisions. The church will be able to survive without you for a few years.

Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Saturday, 5 October 2002 21:45 (twenty-three years ago)

I have a whole book on how to be a priest - I bought it at the op-shop the other day for 20 cents.

Livvie, Saturday, 5 October 2002 23:12 (twenty-three years ago)

Anthony,
Im going through a similar thing myself. After rejecting God and the Catholic church as an absurd concept for most of my life Ive recently become totaly absorbed in church doctrine and history. Im most defintely not a good Catholic in the sense of going to Mass regularly nor following many of church laws but something very strange is going on with me. What does this mean? Im not sure.

You'll know whether or not your faith compels you to become a priest, or whether it's just a symptom of a temporary spell of uncertainty with your life.

I think Billys advice is excellent, it is something only you will know and its something Im wrestling with myself. That said a spiritual advisor may help you realise whether youre being called or not.

God Bless

For the benefit of others who may read this the Catholic church does not declare someone of homosexual oreintation to be sinfull or evil. It is not the desire but rather the acting out of these desires which the church declares as a sin. This is based on the many passages in scripture that condemn sodomy or homosexuality. Love the sinner but not the sin type thinking.

Its part of christian teaching that I struggle to accept.


Kiwi, Sunday, 6 October 2002 00:27 (twenty-three years ago)

yeah, anthony, knock off that butt-rumping toot suite!!

jess (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 6 October 2002 04:48 (twenty-three years ago)

Anthony better get in quick!

HOMOSEXUALS-DOCUMENT Oct-8-2002 (890 words) xxxi Vatican prepares draft directives against admitting gays as priests

By John Thavis Catholic News Service

VATICAN CITY (CNS) -- The Vatican has prepared a draft document containing directives against the admission of homosexuals to the priesthood, informed Vatican sources said.

The document takes the position that since the church considers the homosexual orientation as "objectively disordered" such people should not be admitted to the seminary or ordained, the sources said Oct. 8.

The question of excluding homosexuals from the priesthood had been quietly considered at the Vatican for years without finding a consensus. It received new and more urgent attention in the wake of U.S. clerical sex abuse cases, many of which involved homosexual acts.

The Congregation for Catholic Education prepared the draft document in collaboration with the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith and other Vatican agencies, the sources said. The draft was being circulated for comment in October among a wide range of consultants, including theologians, canon lawyers and other experts, they said.

At the same time, the education congregation has finished work on a separate document that examines how psychological sciences can be used in discerning vocations -- another hotly debated issue at the Vatican in recent years. Its publication was expected before the end of the year.

The document on psychological testing will take the form of guidelines or orientations for bishops to use in their seminaries, the sources said.

However, the draft document on homosexuals will take the form of directives or norms, to be used throughout the universal church, they said.

"The document's position (on admission of homosexuals to the priesthood) is negative, based in part on what the 'Catechism of the Catholic Church' says in its revised edition, that the homosexual orientation is 'objectively disordered,'" said one source.

"Therefore, independent of any judgment on the homosexual person, a person of this orientation should not be admitted to the seminary and, if it is discovered later, should not be ordained," he said.

Last year Archbishop Tarcisio Bertone, secretary of the Vatican's doctrinal congregation, said in a Catholic News Service interview, "Persons with a homosexual inclination should not be admitted to the seminary."

In September a U.S. Vatican official at the Congregation for Bishops, Father Andrew R. Baker, articulated arguments against acceptance of homosexuals as priesthood candidates in an article published by the Catholic magazine America.

Father Baker said that if a man has a predominant or exclusive same-sex attraction that in itself is grounds for bishops to have "a prudent doubt regarding the candidate's suitability" for receiving the sacrament of orders. Church law says if such a doubt exists the person should not be ordained.

Father Baker said homosexuality was a "disordered attraction" that can "never 'image' God and never contribute to the good of the person or society." He cited potential difficulties for homosexual seminarians or priests; they included problems dealing with their tendencies in a largely heterosexual society, questions about adherence to church teachings, and possible temptations presented in male environments like the seminary or the priesthood.

Father Baker said his article reflected his personal opinion and not the official position of the Vatican. While some Vatican officials have expressed similar views, others are concerned that such an attempt to "weed out" candidates to the priesthood would rely too heavily on interpretive evaluations of an individual's sexuality.

The officials who spoke to Catholic News Service said there was no definitive time frame for the document on homosexuality and admission to the priesthood.

"Only the Holy Spirit knows that," said one official.

Because of the sensitivity of the issues involved, Pope John Paul II and other top Vatican officials will be carefully reviewing it before publication, the sources said.

"There could be changes, especially because this is an interdicasterial (interdepartmental) work. There are some passages that must be written with very careful attention," said one official.

The wording in the catechism that describes the homosexual inclination as "objectively disordered" was added when the definitive Latin text of the catechism was released in 1997. Earlier editions of the catechism said homosexual acts were intrinsically disordered and said homosexual tendencies represented a trial for most people.

The document on psychological testing, titled "Orientations for the Use of Psychological Methods in the Admission and Formation of Candidates to the Priesthood," was discussed at the education congregation's plenary assembly in February.

At that time, the pope told the congregation's members that guidelines on the use of psychology to evaluate seminary candidates could help identify real vocations and ensure that such decisions are made with "a wider sense of awareness."

The pope said the support from psychological sciences should be used in a balanced way as part of the overall vocational path, integrated in a candidate's formation program. He said recourse to psychological methods can only be understood in the context of the "climate of faith" that marks the vocational decision.

Psychological methods "do not eliminate every type of difficulty and tension, but favor a wider sense of awareness and a freer exercise of liberty" when it comes to the challenging choice of a priestly vocation, he said.

Many Vatican officials have privately voiced apprehension about over-reliance on psychological methods to screen candidates to the priesthood. The document is said to address those concerns by stressing a balanced approach that recognizes the potential contributions of psychology, but within a limited sphere of competence.

END

Kiwi, Thursday, 10 October 2002 05:42 (twenty-three years ago)

Anthony, why would you want to become a part of an organization that considers homosexuals "objectively disordered?"


gabriel rodriguez-doerr (gabe), Thursday, 10 October 2002 06:50 (twenty-three years ago)

What an awful shame. For some people the Catholic church will always be the background of their lives, a (n anxious, irrational) source of legitimacy, an aesthetic they return to. But when you read the bigoted stuff from the Vatican above you realise that if they are gay they just won't be able to, they'll always either be in denial or filled with shame and self-hatred. To deny people this kind of comfort seems about as unChristian as it gets. You just shake your head in bewilderment and sadness. And remember not to bother with religion in future.

pulpo, Thursday, 10 October 2002 07:46 (twenty-three years ago)

five years pass...

http://blogs.usatoday.com/ondeadline/2008/09/priest-charged.html

carne asada, Friday, 12 September 2008 16:35 (seventeen years ago)

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the internets ideal (velko), Friday, 12 September 2008 16:43 (seventeen years ago)

Someone should make a movie like "Bad Lieutenant", except instead of a cop, the titular character is a priest. Call it "Bad Priest"?

snoball, Friday, 12 September 2008 17:08 (seventeen years ago)


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