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I wouldn't normally do this, and I'm only doing it now because the first piece extends from something I wrote to an ILM thread (the "group that sounds most English" one).

but, nonetheless:

http://www.livingstonemusic.net/pop.htm

http://www.livingstonemusic.net/1966.htm

robin carmody (robin carmody), Saturday, 5 October 2002 23:25 (twenty-three years ago)

new indirectly musing answers!

robin carmody (robin carmody), Saturday, 5 October 2002 23:26 (twenty-three years ago)

Interesting. Brave of you to come out about your Asperger's Syndrome. I'd like to put you for a year each in LA and Tokyo and see if you still obsessed about the Countryside Alliance and English identity, though! (Let's listen to Morrissey's next album as a control experiment.)

Momus (Momus), Sunday, 6 October 2002 09:11 (twenty-three years ago)

By the way, your reflection on the lost joys of collectivism touches on something I just wrote in an (otherwise rather prosaic) essay I just posted to the Momus site. Yes, I've been experiencing major nostalgia for the Soviet Union!

Momus (Momus), Sunday, 6 October 2002 09:15 (twenty-three years ago)

Nick,

I always thought your comparison of yourself leaving Britain to Morrissey doing the same was slightly offbeam - surely you left *because* of the remnants of the traditional society, while Morrissey left precisely because he felt there weren't enough such remnants and he would rather live in the real California than in a quasi-California off the coast of Europe?

If I travelled more, well, who knows? I can't judge it at this point. I suppose my writing might be less personalised simply because it'd be much harder to simply retreat into myself.

robin carmody (robin carmody), Monday, 7 October 2002 01:30 (twenty-three years ago)

I always thought your comparison of yourself leaving Britain to Morrissey doing the same was slightly offbeam

Well, though it might sound like a group grope, I'd say that what makes all three of us -- me, you, and Moz -- interesting is precisely our ambiguity.

Mainly, we privelege the 'elsewhereness' of here. We are both futurists and antiquarians, radicals and conservatives (your own essay made a clean breast of your Telegraph-reading days). People like us would like either a radical transformation of society into something different, progressive, futuristic (in Morrissey's case that would have been the execution of Thatcher and the royals, and seeing the shoplifters and vegetarians of the world taking over). But failing that, we'd like everything to be as it was in, oh, 1600. Or 200. (Insert your own personal Golden Age of your own personal corner of the UK here.) We're all yankees in the court of King Arthur.

Momus (Momus), Monday, 7 October 2002 05:25 (twenty-three years ago)

Then who's your particular Merlin?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 7 October 2002 14:45 (twenty-three years ago)


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