List of batshit pronouncements as made by noted vegetarian and white supremacist Morrissey in his latest Q&A session

Sorry, that third option should be:

"Imagine, for example, if you were in a nightclub and someone said to you: 'Hello, I enjoy bloodshed, throat-slitting and the destruction of life,' well, I doubt if you'd want to exchange phone numbers,"

And the fifth:

"If Jamie 'Orrible is so certain that flesh-food is tasty then why doesn't he stick one of his children in a microwave?"

And finally:

"Since a lamb is a baby, I wondered what kind of mind Cilla Black could possibly have that would convince her that eating a baby is OK?"

I feel like at this stage, calling Morrissey "batshit" is actually offensive to people who are suffering from Mental Health issues.

I'll leave it up to you to determine if that is a sly/wry/self referential joke, or possibly not.

Also o_0 but really I have long since run out of o_0 for that man.

Note: before anyone jumps on me or posts this to "posts v much in character": 75% joking, BTW

Morrissey isn't a white supremacist.

What are we voting on? Which statement we agree with most or least? Funniest? Most offensive?

Important thing to remember about morrissey is that he is fundamentally a bit thick

Also racist and terrible

Didn't Johhny Marr leave The Smiths cos of Moz's fondness for Our Cilla? Did I imagine that?

It goes without saying I would never insult someone with genuine mental health issues by a) calling them batshit or b) associating them with Morrissey.

who is Jamie 'Orrible?

Oliver I presume.

Yes, I believe Morrissey is a white supremacist (if it were possible to call someone of Irish descent an "Anglo-Saxon supremacist" I'd call him that just to annoy him!) but batshit? See, I think that be is actually just such a classic narcissist / attention whore (sorry, attention sex worker? Attention affective labourer?) - nope, screaming narcissist that these increasingly bizarre and provocative announcements aren't even "batshit" - they are Morrissey doing what Morrissey does to keep himself in the public eye. Now whether to blame Morrissey, or whether to blame a complicit press that participates in these stunts for outrage/clickbait and rewards this behaviour with the attention that validates his persecution complex... hmmm.

Even laughing at him at this point feels like participating in something ugly and cruel. In the engage/mock/ignore trifecta I'm well into "ignore" by this point.

subjects you want to avoid in a Morrissey Q&A

(apologies to any and all sex workers I may just have compared to Morrissey)

if he was lionised for or even despite his trolling i'd feel like i had to push back but even in a cultural landscape where the smiths are entrenched in the canon, it feels like the attention is only of the point-and-laugh variety. no one's even really going "oh morrissey is such a cultural legend so we should ignore this". the consensus is, rightly, that it's indefensible shit

he is quite obviously a white supremacist, yes

Voted Cilla Black.

C--t Is A Four Letter Word

I'd call him a narcissistic attention whore if I didn't get the sense that he actually believes this shit.

Really wish someone had just flipped that Cilla Black question back round at him and said something like "if a lamb is indeed basically a baby, how come you've never spent thousands of pounds putting a sheep through college?"

The man eats eggs, so does he believe in CHICKEN ABORTION?

"Imagine, for example, if you were in a nightclub and someone said to you: 'Hello, I enjoy bloodshed, throat-slitting and the destruction of life,' well, I doubt if you'd want to exchange phone numbers,"

depends on the nightclub tbh

xp: eggs aren't actually fertilized but yr right in that making these cranky pronouncements while still conduming animal products is pretty hypocritical

in contrast, johnny marr's been quietly vegan for years. he seems to have a good, non-condemnatory attitude when he's interviewed about this stuff

conduming?

Calling morrissey a white supremacist is insulting to actual white supremacists

I dont understand how anyone could be passionate about this man and his work in 2014

hahaha beings

i been tryin to eat only nonbeings lately but sometimes it's just so hard, i slip

Two years ago, I met him at a private view and then swung by KFC for a mini-fillet on my way home. My faith in fried chicken was still devout.

Morrissey should make an anti-Jamie Oliver record and call it The Man With The Child In His Pies

I like the image of Morrissey being introduced to various people at a swanky party and theatrically walking away from them each time he finds out they eat beings, until eventually he's walked away from everyone but like one person

"They are both rape, violence, murder. If I'm introduced to anyone who eats beings, I walk away."

as a vegan and a victim of childhood sexual abuse i'm not really down w/ this sentence. it is really apparent that someone hasn't thought their views on child sex abuse through when they compare it to murder, usually by saying it's "worse than murder" or that sex offenders are "worse than murderers." i guess they think they're taking the victim's side by shaming dude harder, but then what is the implication? that i would've been better off if i had been killed? thanks?

not as accustomed to hearing people say it "is" murder (...because it's not), but i'm more offended by that in that it's not factual, like it's not murder in any sense, no living thing killed another living thing, v asinine.

eating animals (and animal products) is obv morally indefensible, but so is being a dick about it, because everyone does things that are morally indefensible. and also yeah lol "beings."

and morrissey is obv, 100% a white supremacist, come on

A friend who works with Iggy & The Stooges mentioned that Morrissey "kisses Iggy's ass backstage" even though Iggy eats a steak every day.

is iggy a being though

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A friend who works with Iggy & The Stooges mentioned that Morrissey "kisses Iggy's ass backstage" even though Iggy eats a steak every day.

this is what's kinda sad about Morrissey's attempt to be Mr. More Extreme Than Thou on this subject - I think he imagines that if he states the case as starkly and brutally as possible, he'll end up with more converted-carnivores in his tally: that he stands to "do the most good" by speaking as he does, when he does the opposite. I'm a strident vegetarian in spirit but in practice I talk a pretty quiet game the last ten years or so because people end up thinking harder about the question if they encounter it in a welcoming context. idk if that's true w/all questions but with this one...like I understand how you can get pretty riled-up, but when has invoking the holocaust done anybody any good at all in any context other than talking about the holocaust

didn't really finish the thought: but in practice, I don't think he actually gives a shit which of his friends eat meat. he gives Joni MItchell a mild "what's up w/that" in his talk with her but he's not actually some I Only Chill With Vegans dude (and is not in fact vegan iirc which really Mozz you know the deal). but he thinks talking his strident game either 1) makes him look good (lol) or 2) will get results (lol).

Moz's whole shtick since forever has been taking every opinion he has to ludicrous extremes of hyperbole so really this is just another part of his much loved public persona

it may have been cute in 1984 but since we now live in an age where every douche with access to the internet can tell you about how everything is worse than Hitler he may have lost some of his rhetorical edge

Jamie 'Orrible, though

Jamie 'Orrible is like some Terry Wogan level of terrible

hasn't Mozz got a bunch of things like that though like calling the Queen "the Mean" or something

like really super-bad ones and like one good one he got off a couple years ago that I can't remember

Talking to Loaded the grumpy singer admits that it is the level of admiration the country has for the Beckhams which really gets his goat.
And Morrissey even refuses to call the married pair by their real name, instead referring to them as 'the Peckhams'.

It occurs to me that Morrissey and famed "Best Show on WFMU" caller Spike may be kindred spirits.

And yeah I don't think Morrissey is a vegan. Simon Goddard's Mozipedia has a section discussing Morrissey's diet, and while I don't have the book at hand and don't remember the details, I recall being struck by how decidedly non-vegan it was. You'd think someone would ask him about this at some point.

This is reminding me of the last time I saw Morrissey in concert, on his U.S. tour in 2011. He played "Meat is Murder", and if subjecting us to the worst of all the Smiths songs wasn't enough, he paired it with this horrific animal mutilation footage from a film called "Meet your Meat". I kept thinking "why are you doing this to your own audience, people who are way more likely than most to already be on your side?" But that's just his style, I guess.

oh, Mozpaws

I saw Meet Your Meat, it is beyond your worst nightmares...I still eat meat but everyone who does should see it once (not that I'm endorsing it on the teletron at a show but my meat-eating does cause me some small but persistent guilt)

I kept thinking "why are you doing this to your own audience, people who are way more likely than most to already be on your side?"

morisey fans deserve no less

Consolidated tried to do something similar by showing slaughterhouse footage during their pro-vegetarianism song on their tour for Friendly Fascism. Unfortunately for them, all they managed to do to the Minneapolis crowd was make them crave burgers.

If you don't feel a twinge of guilt watching that stuff, I would refer you to the Psychopaths thread

I would refer you to growing up acquainted with farming

Modern life is built on genocide, deal with it

so by "deal with it" you mean "perpetuate it"?

only if it's really delicious

this is how threads where everybody agrees that vegetarians shouldn't be dicks about it devolve into shouting matches

MATCHES

lol

Iago got sonned in a Morrissey beef

these are always the most ironic of beefs

Morrissey should make an anti-Jamie Oliver record and call it The Man With The Child In His Pies

*applause*

I don't like the modern urban peasant look

tbf this is an entirely sane statement

"Imagine, for example, if you were in a nightclub and someone said to you: 'Hello, I enjoy bloodshed, throat-slitting and the destruction of life,'

man I'm wishing to find the gay bar at which this happens!

Everything is morally indefensible, ilx 2014 in a nutshell (are we allowed nutshells?)

I enjoy bloodshed, throat-slitting and the destruction of life, horseriding & long walks on the beach

no weirdos

Pickaxe or gtfo

Jamie 'Orrible

Talking to Loaded the grumpy singer admits that it is the level of admiration the country has for the Beckhams which really gets his goat.
And Morrissey even refuses to call the married pair by their real name, instead referring to them as 'the Peckhams'.

Dr Mozbius

^^^^ Holy shit I swear I copied one of aero's posts and was about to scroll down and paste it and type "Dr. Mozbius," then scrolled down and saw this and now I am afraid.

Heh. it's an obvious gag let's be honest.was just surprised it hadn't been done. Mozzer and his delightful wordplay.

Didn't Johhny Marr leave The Smiths cos of Moz's fondness for Our Cilla? Did I imagine that?

Included and recorded at the same session was a cover of Cilla Black's Work is a Four-Letter Word. Morrissey's insistence on recording the song incurred Johnny Marr's wrath, leading to the latter's departure from the band and the following split.

Seems strange given the nature of Morrissey and the fact he'd be working with him for 5 years by then.

Twinkle anyone

There was a lot more to it than just that song

Has anyone told him that plants can feel pain?

plants don't feel pain

says you

Kevin....wow.....just, ....no

The plant with the thorn on its side...

at the time Bryan Ferry sported better hair than Moz, so this development complicated things.

http://www.johnnymarrplaysguitar.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/JM_BryanFerry.jpg

from an NME list of smiths bsides:

Birthed during final recording sessions that have been described by Johnny Marr as “utter misery”, this Cilla Black cover is included here largely for a historical reason – namely that it was a factor in The Smiths’ demise. An idea proffered endlessly by Morrissey, but detested by Marr – “I didn’t form a group to cover Cilla Black songs” he has said

Re: Meet Your Meat discussion, to be consistent, if I'm to watch that film and feel bad abt eating meat, surely I should also consider and feel bad about the terrible labour conditions under which my shoes and clothes were made, and the violence elsewhere that guarantees my peace and prosperity.

But all these things are so terrible that the full awareness of that might be more than a human can actually bear, what happens then? When everything you do, more or less, comes with a price to be paid in someone/something else's suffering. This is where I end up at with Noam Chomsky and with hard vegetarianism like Morrisey's.

I'm fine with not mugging pensioners or not setting fire to people. I'm also fine with supporting an NHS and a welfare state, voting for them; but this idea of morally evaluating your sandwich and your shoes seems to have the result of a) screaming mental horror b) expensive/hassle ethical goods which don't really do that much to offset the suffering footprint and in any case the majority of people don't give a fuck so it ends up being a drop in the water.

Can't believe there isn't a reality tv show with Morissey.

yes you can.

was delighted by a blog review of his obnoxiously self-important "Satellite of Love" cover where the writer called him "Weird Al" Morrissey

I'm fine with not mugging pensioners or not setting fire to people. I'm also fine with supporting an NHS and a welfare state, voting for them; but this idea of morally evaluating your sandwich and your shoes seems to have the result of a) screaming mental horror b) expensive/hassle ethical goods which don't really do that much to offset the suffering footprint and in any case the majority of people don't give a fuck so it ends up being a drop in the water.

"I'm fine with the absolute bare minimum as long as it doesn't inconvenience me"

I am not convinced "not setting fire to people" is the bare minimum *guiltily hides flamethrower*

But all these things are so terrible that the full awareness of that might be more than a human can actually bear, what happens then?

The real answer to this is "all these things are not so terrible that the full awareness of them are more than a human can actually bear", which is not to say that they are not terrible but rather that ppl can put up with way more than they think they can.

also you can choose things that minimize the awfulness for you, which makes the overall sum easier to bear, etc etc

"I'm fine with the absolute bare minimum as long as it doesn't inconvenience me"

What I meant was more: give me an ethical situation which is directly under my control and it's really not that hard to do the right thing (other examples could be like 'Do I fiddle my tax returns' or 'Do I pocket this wallet I've found or hand it in to the police' etc) but trying to wrestle with these huge abstract systems like meat production and the global shoe and clothing industry with all their systemic problems is much more difficult

Also DJP otm I think

meat production is not an abstract sytem and unlike the rest of capitalist culture, it's generally pretty easy to avoid direct personal involvement in its problems simply by opting out.

read DJP's line as "the awfulness of you"

Man performs and engenders so much more than he can or should have to bear. That's how he finds that he can bear anything. iirc

i am totally sympathetic to being just nihilistic & lost in the face of knowing delicious mangos & coffee beans & sneakers are contingent on inevident suffering, but!, wrt food, it feels like this is actually/increasingly an arena where you can more & more get a sense of cause/effect correlation re: your actions; there are small revivals in locally-sourced-&c grocery stores, there are places that serve vegetarian options because the market demands vegetarian options, &c. you are unlikely to be the person putting their foot down & stemming the tide but you can feasibly be one of the customers of a thing that depends on having some customers to fulfil its at least slightly & vaguely utopian alternative.

i think i disagree with the whole unbearable psychic cost thing too. the most immediate reaction we have to a thing isn't the full reaction to a thing; something that is depressing to contemplate can eventually be enlightening, important, commanding, rewarding. not even necessarily on a full epiphany scale. just, while obviously we all don't engage with everything fully, deciding not to is different & cuts off routes toward progress i think. in short i am fine with supporting & voting for screaming mental horror. vote YES on marginally diminish the suffering footprint.

read DJP's line as "the awfulness of you"

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"...why doesn't he stick one of his children in a micro..."

Steve, really?! The optimal way to cook a child is surely not microwaving, you lummox.

i think i disagree with the whole unbearable psychic cost thing too. the most immediate reaction we have to a thing isn't the full reaction to a thing

Hmm. Ah. Hmmm

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