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What does Bob Dylan's song Visions of Johanna mean?

Michael Nuzum, Tuesday, 17 February 2004 16:23 (twenty years ago) link

a) the grass is always greener on the other side of the septic tank
b) do your own damn homework, kid

jody (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 16:24 (twenty years ago) link

It's about sleeping on a loft floor in Greenwich Village with loads of other poets and really REALLY wanting to have a wank but being worried as to whether the arm movement will show through the sleeping bag.

Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 16:25 (twenty years ago) link

haha

jeremy jordan (cruisy), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 16:26 (twenty years ago) link

visions of johanna vs pictures of lily

amateur!st (amateurist), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 16:27 (twenty years ago) link

Ain't it just like the night to play tricks when you're tryin' to
be so quiet?
We sit here stranded, though we're all doin' our best to deny it
And Louise holds a handful of rain, temptin' you to defy it
Lights flicker from the opposite loft
In this room the heat pipes just cough
The country music station plays soft
But there's nothing, really nothing to turn off
Just Louise and her lover so entwined
And these visions of Johanna that conquer my mind

In the empty lot where the ladies play blindman's bluff with the
key chain
And the all-night girls they whisper of escapades out on the "D"
train
We can hear the night watchman click his flashlight
Ask himself if it's him or them that's really insane
Louise, she's all right, she's just near
She's delicate and seems like the mirror
But she just makes it all too concise and too clear
That Johanna's not here
The ghost of 'lectricity howls in the bones of her face
Where these visions of Johanna have now taken my place

Now, little boy lost, he takes himself so seriously
He brags of his misery, he likes to live dangerously
And when bringing her name up
He speaks of a farewell kiss to me
He's sure got a lotta gall to be so useless and all
Muttering small talk at the wall while I'm in the hall
How can I explain?
Oh, it's so hard to get on
And these visions of Johanna, they kept me up past the dawn

Inside the museums, Infinity goes up on trial
Voices echo this is what salvation must be like after a while
But Mona Lisa musta had the highway blues
You can tell by the way she smiles
See the primitive wallflower freeze
When the jelly-faced women all sneeze
Hear the one with the mustache say, "Jeeze
I can't find my knees"
Oh, jewels and binoculars hang from the head of the mule
But these visions of Johanna, they make it all seem so cruel

The peddler now speaks to the countess who's pretending to care for
him
Sayin', "Name me someone that's not a parasite and I'll go out and
say a prayer for him"
But like Louise always says
"Ya can't look at much, can ya man?"
As she, herself, prepares for him
And Madonna, she still has not showed
We see this empty cage now corrode
Where her cape of the stage once had flowed
The fiddler, he now steps to the road
He writes ev'rything's been returned which was owed
On the back of the fish truck that loads
While my conscience explodes
The harmonicas play the skeleton keys and the rain
And these visions of Johanna are now all that remain

scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 16:27 (twenty years ago) link

vs. lord of the flies

My Huckleberry Friend (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 16:27 (twenty years ago) link

vs "sketches of winkle"

jodylicious (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 16:27 (twenty years ago) link

it's obvious, isn't it?

scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 16:27 (twenty years ago) link

Yeah the bit where his "conscience" "explodes" is key to my reading.

Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 16:28 (twenty years ago) link

Blimey, Tico, yer RIGHT!

mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 16:29 (twenty years ago) link

I always thought at went:

Louise, she's all right, she's just near
She's delicate and smells like veneer

Steve.n. (sjkirk), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 16:30 (twenty years ago) link

"fish truck"

jody (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 16:31 (twenty years ago) link

Tico OTM. Whodathunk.

ENRQ (Enrique), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 16:32 (twenty years ago) link

Topic within topic:
Which character is supposed to be Nico? Edie Sedgewick? Sara Lowndes?

Doobie Keebler (Charles McCain), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 16:33 (twenty years ago) link

I cant believe someone couldnt understand what this song is about!! Nuzum, dont worry about paying attention to any lyrics anymore, okay?

wallace carothers, Saturday, 28 February 2004 04:15 (twenty years ago) link

"Oh, it's so hard to get on
And these visions of Johanna, they kept me up past the dawn"
hahahaha

Sym (shmuel), Sunday, 29 February 2004 00:01 (twenty years ago) link

four years pass...

I didn't know where to put this and this fucker certainly doesn't deserve his own thread but Zantzinger, don't RIP:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/10/us/10zantzinger.html?ref=obituaries

Kevin John Bozelka, Sunday, 11 January 2009 19:19 (fifteen years ago) link

A lowlife to the end:

In 1991, The Maryland Independent disclosed that Mr. Zantzinger had been collecting rent from black families living in shanties that he no longer owned; Charles County, Md., had foreclosed on them for unpaid taxes. The shanties lacked running water, toilets or outhouses. Not only had Mr. Zantzinger collected rent for properties he did not own, he also went to court to demand past-due rent, and won.

He pleaded guilty to 50 misdemeanor counts of deceptive trade practices, paid $62,000 in penalties and, under an 18-month sentence, spent only nights in jail.

thirdalternative, Sunday, 11 January 2009 19:44 (fifteen years ago) link

five years pass...

is Visions of Johanna seriously about having a hard on and wanting to wank in a room full of sleeping/fornicating people? damn

i also enjoy in line skateing (spazzmatazz), Tuesday, 23 September 2014 18:59 (ten years ago) link

who knows?

u2 removal machine (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 23 September 2014 21:13 (ten years ago) link

Heylin

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 23 September 2014 21:15 (ten years ago) link

we were one JBR xpost away from the greatest first response ever

Ѿ (imago), Tuesday, 23 September 2014 21:16 (ten years ago) link

four years pass...

he he it is indeed

niels, Wednesday, 24 October 2018 08:03 (five years ago) link

two years pass...

Great interview with Larry Campbell about what it was like to tour/play with Dylan. As mentioned in the interview, the Larry Campbell/Charlie Sexton band (first with Kemper on drums, then Receli) is often considered the best band Dylan had on the NET, and I would agree.

https://dylanlive.substack.com/p/larry-campbell-goes-deep-on-his-eight

birdistheword, Thursday, 1 April 2021 19:11 (three years ago) link

Thanks for posting this. I've been listening to a lot of 'Love and Theft' tour bootlegs lately. Such a great band. The Warren Zevon covers were so good.

BlackIronPrison, Friday, 2 April 2021 01:16 (three years ago) link

eleven months pass...

No idea where to put this:

THE PHILOSOPHY OF MODERN SONG by BOB DYLAN coming 11/8/22

60+ essays
150+ photos
350+ pages

the man is simply unstoppable pic.twitter.com/0sheWWgsQd

— Jokermen (@JokermenPodcast) March 8, 2022

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 8 March 2022 19:55 (two years ago) link

I can't wait to read it. Loved "Chronicles Vol 1".

o. nate, Tuesday, 8 March 2022 21:00 (two years ago) link

Wow!

Not Dork Yet (alternate toke) (morrisp), Tuesday, 8 March 2022 21:08 (two years ago) link

one month passes...

The man in me will hide sometimes to keep from being seen
But that’s just because he doesn’t want to turn into some machine 😀

calstars, Saturday, 7 May 2022 17:01 (two years ago) link

a most reasonable explanation

corrs unplugged, Monday, 9 May 2022 06:39 (two years ago) link

Splendid song & track---also the Persuasions cover---and an appealing alibi, but not for Self-Portrait, which is like a cut-rate greeting card designed by a bot.

dow, Monday, 9 May 2022 16:14 (two years ago) link

(Thinking of that since New Morning was his return to cred after S-P)

dow, Monday, 9 May 2022 16:17 (two years ago) link

four months pass...

Audiobook has an interesting selection of readers.

birdistheword, Wednesday, 5 October 2022 14:14 (one year ago) link

saw him live (for the umpteenth time) recently

setlist almost same every night, heavy on the rough & rowdy material (alas, no murder most foul)

key west was great

but really, who am I kidding, he is just the weirdest legacy live act I've ever seen, it's never really bad, but always just so weeeird... money rolling in, tour goes on forever, just the weirdness of it all, maybe this time emphasized by beeing in a big arena, and people were just applauding, happy... seem to recall people used to disappointed, which was practical, I could be enthusiastic and exegetical, now they just love it

anyway, roll on Bob

corrs unplugged, Sunday, 9 October 2022 19:01 (one year ago) link

After visiting the Lou Reed exhibit at the NYPL, I checked out Light in the Attic's preview of the upcoming release of 1965 demos, and this one for "Men of Good Fortune" stuck out - it has NO relation to the song that later appeared on the 1973 album Berlin:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLNnlYYhz2M

It's basically a rewrite of Dylan's "Song to Woody," which itself is a rewrite of Guthrie's song "1913 Massacre." (The same demo tape has Reed covering "Don't Think Twice, It's All Right.") It's a nice glimpse of a great artist finding his voice, absorbing one influence (in this case Dylan) and virtually mimicking that influence before finding a new path.

birdistheword, Monday, 10 October 2022 04:49 (one year ago) link

xp my MO with Bob shows is to just steadily lower my expectations for the weeks leading up to the show, so I'm usually pleasantly surprised with what actually transpires musically. That said, I haven't seen him in a decade or more, so no idea if that would be different.

Lavator Shemmelpennick, Monday, 10 October 2022 14:01 (one year ago) link

I'm surprised how great his most recent shows have been. I almost gave up on going to anymore after the Americanarama tour. Probably a combination of three things: 1) phrasing improved after the per-rock standards project, 2) stopped changing the setlist, which meant the band was very familiar with the material and were sharper and more precise as a result (downside - if you went to multiple shows, you got the same songs over and over again), 3) on the current tour, he had the lyrics laid out for him (at least for the first leg), so instead of trying to remember, he could read them, and honest to God, he hasn't enunciated this well since the '70s. It's pretty amazing.

birdistheword, Monday, 10 October 2022 14:44 (one year ago) link

*pre-rock standards

birdistheword, Monday, 10 October 2022 14:45 (one year ago) link

yeah good points

and that men of good fortune take is hilarious!

corrs unplugged, Monday, 10 October 2022 19:07 (one year ago) link

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/13/books/bob-dylan-book-excerpt.html

The title of Bob Dylan’s latest book, “The Philosophy of Modern Song,” is, in a sense, misleading. A collection of brief essays on 65 songs (and one poem), it is less a rigorous study of craft than a series of rhapsodic observations on what gives great songs their power to fascinate us.

Dylan, who was awarded the Nobel Prize in Literature in 2016, worked on these for more than a decade, though they flow more like extemporaneous sermons. The chapter on Johnnie Taylor’s “Cheaper to Keep Her,” for example, is mainly an indictment of the lawyers whose profiteering of heartbreak drives the divorce “industry.”

Elsewhere, Dylan writes in oracular riddles. His one-paragraph piece on “Long Tall Sally,” by Little Richard, likens Sally to the Nephilim giants of the Old Testament, and postulates Richard as “a giant of a different kind” who took a diminutive stage name “so as not to scare anybody.”

About half the essays in the book — his first collection of new writing since “Chronicles: Volume One,” in 2004 — are accompanied by what Dylan’s publisher calls “riffs”: even shorter, even looser pieces, in which Dylan attempts to embody the spirit — the philosophy? — of the song itself. On “Poor Little Fool,” by Ricky Nelson: “She sized you up, she was captivating and shrewd and lousy with lies. Oh yeah, you were an absolute blockhead beyond a doubt.”

curmudgeon, Friday, 14 October 2022 12:01 (one year ago) link

Dylan on "My Generation" by The Who via that NY Times article

This is a song that does no favors for anyone, and casts doubt on everything.

In this song, people are trying to slap you around, slap you in the face, vilify you. They’re rude and they slam you down, take cheap shots. They don’t like you because you pull out all the stops and go for broke. You put your heart and soul into everything and shoot the works, because you got energy and strength and purpose. Because you’re so inspired they put the whammy on, they’re allergic to you, and they have hard feelings. Just your very presence repels them. They give you frosty looks and they’ve had enough of you, and there’s a million others just like you, multiplying every day.

You’re in an exclusive club, and you’re advertising yourself. You’re blabbing about your age group, of which you’re a high-ranking member. You can’t conceal your conceit, and you’re snobbish and snooty about it. You’re not trying to drop any big bombshell or cause a scandal, you’re just waving a flag, and you don’t want anyone to comprehend what you’re saying or embrace it, or even try to take it all in. You’re looking down your nose at society and you have no use for it. You’re hoping to croak before senility sets in. You don’t want to be ancient and decrepit, no thank you. I’ll kick the bucket before that happens. You’re looking at the world mortified by the hopelessness of it all.

In reality, you’re an eighty-year-old man, being wheeled around in a home for the elderly, and the nurses are getting on your nerves. You say why don’t you all just fade away. You’re in your second childhood, can’t get a word out without stumbling and dribbling. You haven’t any aspirations to live in a fool’s paradise, you’re not looking forward to that, and you’ve got your fingers crossed that you don’t. Knock on wood. You’ll give up the ghost first.

You’re talking about your generation, sermonizing, giving a discourse.

Straight talk, eyeball to eyeball.

curmudgeon, Friday, 14 October 2022 12:05 (one year ago) link

enjoyed that will probably read the book

corrs unplugged, Friday, 14 October 2022 15:45 (one year ago) link

Dylan on "My Generation" by The Who via that NY Times article

Is that actually Dylan's excerpt? I was confused at first, but it looks like that is actually Ben Sisario channeling Dylan's style. The actual excerpt from the book comes later, in italics, and is read by Oscar Isaac.

o. nate, Friday, 14 October 2022 20:51 (one year ago) link

They’re both by Dylan. The part in italics is a “riff” on the song; the article points out that many of the essays are accompanied by these additional “riffs.”

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 14 October 2022 21:28 (one year ago) link

Also, Dylan OTM. I’d be interested to hear Townshend’s reaction/response.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 14 October 2022 21:31 (one year ago) link

Because Dylan is really known for his riffs

calstars, Friday, 14 October 2022 21:39 (one year ago) link

Has Bob really been irritated by this song for nearly 60 years?

Chris L, Friday, 14 October 2022 21:48 (one year ago) link

Ah now it makes sense, thanks! xxp

o. nate, Friday, 14 October 2022 21:49 (one year ago) link

Didn't realize this:

https://www.nme.com/features/music-interviews/the-psychedelic-furs-tim-butler-david-bowie-pretty-in-pink-2808731

NME's Q: Which Bob Dylan song did you reject when he sent it to you for inclusion on the Psychedelic Furs 1984 album ‘Mirror Moves’?
Tim Butler's answer: “Clean Cut Kid.”

CORRECT.

“It had about 15 verses – it was a long song! (Laughs) He sent it to us because his son Jakob was a fan back then and said: ‘Hey, Dad, these guys are cool’. Richard still has the cassette of it, and it was a huge deal because our father was a big Bob Dylan fan and would buy his records on the day they came out and we’d all sit round and listen to them. He was a massive influence on Richard and I, so to have a song that was written by him sent to us was a great pat on the back.”

birdistheword, Sunday, 16 October 2022 18:08 (one year ago) link

seven months pass...

From a new interview with John Mellencamp by the NY Times:

Mellencamp: I’m going to quote Bob Dylan to you. Bob and I were painting together one day, and I asked him how he wrote so many great songs. In all seriousness, he said, “John, I’ve written the same four (expletive) songs a million times.” I’m going to get in line with Bob on that. It’s always the same song, just more mature or with a different angle.

birdistheword, Tuesday, 6 June 2023 18:09 (one year ago) link

Haha, that's perfect

corrs unplugged, Wednesday, 7 June 2023 05:37 (one year ago) link

three months pass...

Surprise set at Farm Aid, backed by Tom Petty's Heartbreakers! And he's switched back to guitar for the first time in many years!

https://vimeo.com/867585062

birdistheword, Sunday, 24 September 2023 06:16 (one year ago) link

so awesome. i’d been watching the Farm Aid livestream for a while & the way i YELLED when he appeared

and with the goddamn Heartbreakers!

best surprise

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 24 September 2023 06:29 (one year ago) link

I love that his most stunning move to play a set of songs everyone knows with a band everyone loves. This is great!

Elvis Telecom, Sunday, 24 September 2023 06:31 (one year ago) link

I love this. I have tickets to the Chicago show. But i really think this might leg of the Never Ending tour

bbq, Sunday, 24 September 2023 07:40 (one year ago) link

*might be the last leg of the Never Ending Tour

I hope I'm wrong obviously.

bbq, Sunday, 24 September 2023 07:46 (one year ago) link

Funny that one of the first things I see on here after having the first disc of Blonde on Blonde on for the first time in ages is a thread started in reference to one of its songs.

I'm not getting the image of the guy who builds a fire on main street and fills it full of holes. Unless it is a call for better gun control or something.

& I thought for a moment I was just about to read that Bob had died.

The book was quite fun and a quick read though I to still need to listen to a lot of it. Though think I was already somewhat familiar with a load of those tracks

Stevo, Sunday, 24 September 2023 09:14 (one year ago) link

“Absolutely Sweet Marie” came on in the car yesterday and I cranked it up, the way it just careens along, it’s like the band are riding flat out alongside each other and grinning.

assert (matttkkkk), Sunday, 24 September 2023 10:55 (one year ago) link

Not strictly necessary o course, but v. fun:
Jason and the Scorchers, "Absolutely Sweet Marie" (original studio version, haven't checked the live ones yet)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKqQJuJqN6Q

dow, Sunday, 24 September 2023 17:29 (one year ago) link

Dylan is playing new songs every night (usually two) and they are covers with some relation to the city he's in. He opened the tour in Kansas City and played Wilbert Harrison's standard "Kansas City." In St. Louis, he bookended his show with two Chuck Berry covers ("Johnny B. Goode" and "Nadine"). And last night in Chicago, it was "Born in Chicago" (probably in tribute to the Paul Butterfield Blues Band as it was the opening track of their debut and Dylan famously recorded and performed at Newport with its members) as well as "Forty Days and Forty Night" by Muddy Waters.

birdistheword, Sunday, 8 October 2023 01:02 (eleven months ago) link

Saw him tonight. No surprise covers unfortunately. But I loved the new version of Key West that he did. He closed with Every Grain of Sand and it was one of the best live versions I’ve ever heard.

bbq, Monday, 9 October 2023 06:00 (eleven months ago) link

i will be seeing Dylan in Springfield, Mass in a couple weeks and I will be satisfied with nothing less than a medley of musical numbers from The Simpsons

Lavator Shemmelpennick, Friday, 20 October 2023 05:06 (eleven months ago) link

He covered Leonard Cohen's "Dance Me To the End of Love" in Cohen's hometown of Montreal the other night.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPAVmw94Zds

lord of the rongs (anagram), Tuesday, 31 October 2023 15:48 (ten months ago) link

Picked up the new book from the archive yesterday, Bob Dylan: Mixing up the Medicine, and based on a quick flip through it looks like a great trove of stuff I haven't seen before. Enjoyed the Lucy Sante piece from it that Dow linked in another thread.

bulb after bulb, Tuesday, 31 October 2023 15:58 (ten months ago) link

Glad you liked it: https://lithub.com/how-bob-dylan-blurred-the-boundaries-between-literature-and-popular-music/ ("Not my title!" LS sez)

dow, Saturday, 4 November 2023 21:10 (ten months ago) link

Last night's show at the Beacon Theater opened with a verse from Billy Joel's "New York State of Mind." Then towards the end of the show, after introducing his band, Dylan said, “Jann Wenner is here tonight. He was kicked out of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. We don’t like that. We’re trying to get him back in.” Yeeesh.

birdistheword, Friday, 17 November 2023 07:33 (ten months ago) link

two weeks pass...

Next month is 50th anniversary of the 1974 tour. I’m completely unfamiliar with this era—is Before the Flood the best document of the tour, or is there an individual show/bootleg compliation that’s better?

blatherskite, Thursday, 7 December 2023 17:15 (nine months ago) link

My short answer would be that it’s the best available and best sounding representation we have.

Long answer:

The tour was more interesting at the start because the setlist wasn’t set in stone and had a number of surprises. The first show above all had the most (and welcome) surprises, opening with “Hero Blues,” unveiling a few more songs from Planet Waves (nearly everything from that album was eventually dropped from the tour after a few weeks), the great lost outtake “Nobody ‘Cept You” (one of my favorites) and for the only time of the tour, Dylan plays on a Band number, playing harmonica on their great cover of “Share Your Love with Me.” If I could have one show in pristine sound, it would be that tour opening show - I hope a soundboard recording was made but I have my doubts one exists anywhere. That’s the problem with the early shows - they may be more interesting, but they mostly exist as audience recordings and can be rough listening. A soundboard or PA feed was recorded on January 14 but by then the setlist was becoming much more standardized with much fewer surprises. However Dylan’s singing wasn’t quite as mannered as it would be in the final two weeks when he was shouting more and more with less nuance in his phrasing. Unfortunately those later shows are the only ones that were professionally recorded. The upshot is that the Band played better as the tour went on and come off great on the final two shows performed on Valentine’s Day - selections from those shows dominate the official live album. Frustratingly, the final show had the tour’s only performance of “Mr. Tambourine Man” which was dedicated to Sara (her favorite song) but it was not included on the official live album.

birdistheword, Thursday, 7 December 2023 17:51 (nine months ago) link

“Professionally recorded” meaning multi-track recordings

birdistheword, Thursday, 7 December 2023 17:54 (nine months ago) link

Thanks! I’ll check out Before the Flood and the opening show—I’ve heard enough Dead AUD tapes that maybe I won’t mind so much.

blatherskite, Thursday, 7 December 2023 19:00 (nine months ago) link

i'm blanking on where I read this, but i want to say there are more multitracks of the 1974 shows in the dylan archives ... maybe i dreamt it. some of the soundboards are decent (oakland, NYC). will be interesting if they do anything to commemorate the 50th anniversary — with Robertson's recent passing, seems like a good time?

tylerw, Thursday, 7 December 2023 19:02 (nine months ago) link

it's really too bad there isn't a concert doc of this tour, though — I feel like the energy would suit itself to that format ...

tylerw, Thursday, 7 December 2023 19:14 (nine months ago) link

However Dylan’s singing wasn’t quite as mannered as it would be in the final two weeks when he was shouting more and more with less nuance in his phrasing.

yeah, as loved as Before the Flood is - I can't really stand Dylan in that mode, such a waste

even Levon gets a bit shouty on some of the Band things, but that said I've always loved Dixie here

corrs unplugged, Friday, 8 December 2023 08:14 (nine months ago) link

The shoutiness totally works for me, Dylan's and Levon's. I prefer several versions here to the originals, even: for inst, the original "Don't Think Twice" sounds fussy faux-hillbily compared to the reggae-oid "someone to give his ha!-ha!" heartiness on the electric set, while the solo acoustic has him flashing back (or experiencing a Blood On The Tracks-related?) mixed-up confusion, like, what just happened? What did she do? Should he even be leaving, and anyway where is he going? But he's going alright, and "Don't think twice it's alrieeet---" Also the jittery raspy proto-rap of "It's Alright Ma." which Lester Bangs compared to Paul Newman in Robert Altman's Buffalo Bill Among The Indians, Or, Sitting Bull's History Lesson: the return of the battered Americana hero "in full scraggle." One of the great arena rock albums of the 70s, esp. by older guys, in there with Rock N Roll Animal(although I've played BTF a lot more than that) and Van Morrison's It's Too Late To Stop Now (almost too sensitive at times to qualify for "arena," but the overall effect of the 2-LP is v. powerful.) I know we all hear what we hear, but gotta say that.

dow, Friday, 8 December 2023 20:07 (nine months ago) link

Sure, would love to hear a 50th Anniversary expansion, with or without audience tapes, esp. of songs not on Before..: whatever, bring it on.

dow, Friday, 8 December 2023 20:11 (nine months ago) link

your enthusiasm makes me want to revisit this, and I'm down for an official release of more tapes

corrs unplugged, Saturday, 9 December 2023 03:03 (nine months ago) link

three weeks pass...

I've had a good bootleg recording of October 17, 1987 for years - Dylan's backed by Tom Petty & the Heartbreakers and IIRC the 1987 tour is held in higher regard than their 1986 tour together.

This show is supposed to be the highlight, and amazingly TWO different amateur videos exist of the concert, both from very different angles.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXbDllRrT5k

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pja9JSWE0Fk

birdistheword, Thursday, 4 January 2024 05:29 (eight months ago) link

Should mention, Roger McGuinn makes a guest appearance for "Chimes of Freedom" during the encore, then later George Harrison pops in for a guest appearance.

birdistheword, Thursday, 4 January 2024 05:32 (eight months ago) link

(Should also mention the sound on the camera close to the stage is abysmal.)

Awhile back there was a discussion on Dylan's heavy drinking during the '80s and I think I was trying to remember where it was well documented. I just stumbled on this paragraph from Clinton Heylin's bio:

By 1987, his drinking had again begun to get the better of him and when Kurt Loder arrived in Jerusalem on September 7 to interview him for a special twentieth-anniversary issue of Rolling Stone, he proceeded to sit through the interview drinking Kamikazes like they were Kool-Aid. Two days after he predicted tomorrow might be his dying day, an almost totally incoherent Dylan fell out of his chair after a hotel piano jam had found him hamming it up on ‘You’ve Got a Friend’ and ‘I Left My Heart in San Francisco.’ He was consuming up to four Kamikazes or, later on the tour, Kahlúa, cream, and cognac, before each show. That he could even stand some nights qualified as some kind of achievement. Journalists at the shows couldn’t resist commenting on his shuffling demeanor, referring to his new image as the death-mask look.

birdistheword, Thursday, 4 January 2024 06:10 (eight months ago) link

Hey, Kamikazes! Those used to be my pleasure, er, downfall

Godzilla Minus Zero/No Limit (morrisp), Thursday, 4 January 2024 17:41 (eight months ago) link

Reminds me of a scene in a Tony Tyler book where an intoxicated Dylan, backstage in '66, pours so much cream or sugar into his coffee that it overflows onto the floor.

Halfway there but for you, Thursday, 4 January 2024 17:42 (eight months ago) link

two months pass...

Random Internet story: https://www.instagram.com/p/C4JiGvzOY6P/

Hippie Ernie (morrisp), Tuesday, 5 March 2024 23:33 (six months ago) link

Incredible arrangement! What a fey trickster, he's clearly having a ball with it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZB7QJjqmL0

assert (matttkkkk), Wednesday, 6 March 2024 01:09 (six months ago) link

I love Bob.

il lavoro mi rovina la giornata (PBKR), Wednesday, 6 March 2024 03:13 (six months ago) link

one month passes...

Just stumbled on a very handy site dedicated to lyric changes Dylan has made whenever he re-interprets a song. There are already a few sites that extensively document those changes, but this one allows you to toggle back and forth easily between lyrics, bolding the sections that are different:

https://dylyricus.com

birdistheword, Thursday, 2 May 2024 18:29 (four months ago) link

three months pass...

What do we think of “jokerman?”

calstars, Saturday, 24 August 2024 18:53 (one month ago) link

I fucking LOVE it. On paper it should fail miserably, in practice it is one of his best songs from the decade. Who's gonna argue with the rhythm section, for one?

encino morricone (majorairbro), Sunday, 25 August 2024 05:48 (one month ago) link

Punk version is great, too.

il lavoro mi rovina la giornata (PBKR), Sunday, 25 August 2024 17:00 (one month ago) link

love jokerman

caetano version rules imo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Syaoz-wLy_Y

corrs unplugged, Tuesday, 27 August 2024 16:33 (one month ago) link

The Bob Dylan Center's Director Steven Jenkins is presenting Dylan-related films again in NYC, and I went to the free presentation at the New School, but there's another tonight (Thursday) in Pleasantville at the Jacob Burns Center and another in Brooklyn at Nitehawk Cinema near Prospect Park. These screenings aren't free, you need to buy tickets to either event, but the Nitehawk screening will also have Ira Kaplan of Yo La Tengo moderating the post-screening discussion. (Also, regardless of which one you go to, you'll be entered in a free raffle for two complimentary round-trip plane tickets to Tulsa—redeemable within one year on American Airlines or Delta—and a tour of the Bob Dylan Center.)

Anyway, a lot of what was shown at the free screening looked familiar and was likely circulating in some form, but there are some new discoveries and I know for a fact the Jacob Burns Center will screen at least one different clip. A quick rundown:

The first clip is the real find but brief. It's a clip of Dylan’s first film soundtrack contribution, before his first album even came out! The late Tony Glover apparently discussed it when they interviewed him in the '90s for the project that evolved into No Direction Home, and it happens during the train ride interview seen briefly in that film. They took the relevant portion and use it to frame the relevant footage they found from that rediscovered film - a documentary put together by a Catholic group in response to HUAC (which they were very much against). Produced in 1961, it was called Autopsy on Operation Abolition. Unfortunately, Dylan's music is mixed into the background, so much that an interview subject dominates the audio, but it still has historical value. (I'm guessing the 20-minute raw recording Glover mentions is still lost. He says he remembers it well because it was the first time he saw magnetic tape, which in this case was mag-track complete with sprocket holes, the kind of tape you'd use for a motion picture.)

Next clip was a solo rendition of “Ballad of Hollis Brown” from the 1963 TV special Folk Songs and More Folk Songs. Great performance, they even cut to some extraordinary close-ups of Dylan - it's just startling to see him looking this young yet seeming very old at the same time, and despite the fact that it's vintage TV footage, the quality is really good. (Not to oversell it, it's not like you're looking at 35mm footage, but it still looks really good.)

After that, it's a clip shot by D A Pennebaker of the 1966 tour, a performance of "Baby Let Me Follow You Down." I forgot which show it was (they have a title card that indicates when and where) but it's amazing to watch. It's one angle, one complete and unbroken take, shot from stage right. When Dylan sings, it's a close-up on him, but when he backs away during an instrumental break, no matter how brief it is, Pennebaker zooms out so you can see Robbie Robertson and Garth Hudson before zooming back in when Dylan sings again. Robbie and Garth looked incredibly young on this tour, especially without facial hair. I don't think I've ever seen Hudson without a thick beard after the 1966 tour.

Next was “I Pity the Poor Immigrant” from the Hard Rain footage from 1976. Joan Baez is there playing maracas and singing in the same mic as Dylan. Rob Stoner is prominently shown too. Not much of the other band members though. You do get a close-up of the pianist - can't tell if it was T-Bone Burnett or Howard Wyeth as I don't know how either looked in 1976 and they appeared too briefly for me to remember the face well. Fun almost jokey stop-start arrangement that seemed real "showbiz" - each of the stops was basically like a fake ending. In some way, this kind of makes the next tour - the bizarre one from 1978 - seem less of a surprise.

However, the next clip skips to 1981 where Dylan and his new band performs "Blowin' in the Wind" at one of the Florida shows, and it's another single, unbroken take, but this time the cameraman walks around the entire stage, almost simulating a tracking shot as best as they can with a handheld camera. Starts off with Clydie King, Regina McCrary and Madelyn Quebec wearing what may be choir gowns, then it circles around Dylan at the piano, then we see Jim Keltner appear, then another drummer, Arthur Rosato, and eventually Al Kooper who sounds magnificent playing a simple solo. The cameraman keeps moving and we see the rest of the band, and then Dylan hops down, grabs his guitar and finishes the song. The place (which looks like a small arena but per Bjorner is supposed to be a theater) is packed and the crowd is very enthusiastic - people in front are raising their hands like it's a revival.

Next clip is from one of the 1986 Australian shows for Hard to Handle, and a card tells us it was, at the time, the biggest multi-camera 35mm shoot in Australia's history. The Center is currently scanning ALL of the 35mm footage still in existence from those shows - I don't know if that implies some footage is lost, but afterwards they kind of suggested that they had a ton of footage they're scanning, so they still have plenty regardless. Tom Petty & the Heartbreakers as well as The Queens Of Rhythm (Debra Byrd, Queen Esther Marrow, Madelyn Quebec, Elisecia Wright) back Dylan, and they kind of make the performance because by now (and this applies to the 1981 clip too) Dylan's singing has kind of gone downhill, turning into the kind of thing comedians would exaggerate when spoofing Dylan.

But the next clip from 1993 is much better. It's the Supper Club performance of "Ring Them Bells" which was officially released, first on a CD-ROM then in audio form on Tell Tale Signs. It's a great clip and maybe the definitive performance of a great song. (The master take from Oh Mercy was already a perfect performance, so that's saying something.) Too bad the whole video hasn't been released, but the audio for all four Supper Club shows are out there in top-notch quality. Tonight's program at the Jacob Burns Center will feature "Tight Connection to My Heart" from these shows.

Next is the performance of "Train of Love" that was taped for a tribute to Johnny Cash. Home recordings of the broadcast special are on YouTube, but what's nice about this clip is that it's the original video so you're not seeing a screening of it in an auditorium or hearing people applause. Dylan's official Facebook page uploaded the same raw video a few years ago so it's not rare. This is also one unbroken take from one camera, and you see Larry Campbell, David Kemper and Tony Garnier, no one else from Dylan's band (if there's anyone else that was playing).

Next is "Cold Irons Bound" as it was filmed for Masked and Anonymous, also one unbroken take from one camera. Dylan's best band outside of the Hawks, though Kemper is now replaced by George Receli, a recent new addition when they filmed this performance. This is a very common clip - the audio was on the soundtrack, but the footage was put on promo DVD's, it's in the film itself, it was one of the first clips uploaded to YouTube and elsewhere whenever Dylan's camp would upload video to some new platform for the first time...IMHO it's still THE definitive performance of this song, and I even replaced the original album version with it whenever I listen to Time Out of Mind. I'm certain Dylan loves this clip, and not just because of the performance - Jenkins said when they filmed this clip, Dylan basically directed it. He set up the camera and the blocking then told Larry Charles THIS was the setup and not to touch anything - just roll camera and Dylan would start things off. Debate the film all you want, but for at least this particular scene, Dylan did a great job directing.

Next was a tribute to Tony Bennett, again one-camera, one unbroken take, with Dylan and the band performing "Once Upon a Time." I'm not a huge fan of this era but Charlie Sexton does a marvelous job here as he would on tour whenever Dylan did these songs. This was also broadcast so it's not rare.

The last thing they show was anticlimactic but worth seeing. Advertised as "a glimpse into the Archive’s film restoration project with never-before-seen footage of 'It’s All Over Now, Baby Blue' from 1966," it really is a glimpse. The restoration demonstration is pretty good - frustratingly they don't go into technical details (how was the original transfer of Pennebaker's 1966 footage "incorrect" per their words?) but you see the results. I don't want to say it's just "brighter" because that would imply they simply pushed everything in the lab, and it's not like they simply boosted the footage, otherwise the highlights would blow out. They manage to pull a lot more detail in the darker areas that originally fell off really fast, so while overall it does look about a stop brighter, it's as if you're seeing a much wider dynamic range and all this stuff that was sinking in the shadows is now clearly visible. (Sort of like the difference between seeing a show with your own eyes and looking at a video of it afterwards - your own vision adjusts all the exposure so everything's visible, but that's not how it shows up in the video.) At the very end of the demo, they show "It's All Over Now, Baby Blue" and it looks great, but we only get like 20 or 30 seconds before they fade out.

The Q&A afterwards was okay, but I don't remember it too well because it seemed to cover things I've already seen stated by the Center many times. A lot of Dylan-related people were apparently there that night, including Terri Thal, Dylan's first manager, and Mitch Blank, the famed Dylan collector. (Plus some other names that Jenkins pointed out, I think people who did some technical work for them or put together things like video for the exhibits at the Center, but I can't remember their names.)

One hilarious revelation - Clinton Heylin was at the Center for ten weeks to do research, and whatever he did outside of the Center really pissed off some of the locals because there are places in Tulsa where he's been permanently banned.

birdistheword, Thursday, 29 August 2024 09:40 (four weeks ago) link

What do we think of “jokerman?”

― calstars, Saturday, August 24, 2024 2:53 PM

top ten Dylan -- one of the songs I play to non-fans to show how well Dylan can stress and throw away key syllables.

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 29 August 2024 12:26 (four weeks ago) link

xp bitw thank you - fascinating account!

assert (matttkkkk), Thursday, 29 August 2024 14:12 (four weeks ago) link

yeah, that is all very interesting! even with the No Direction Home film, it does seem like the 66 Pennebaker footage should be put together in some kind of cohesive package. it's just such great stuff — every time I see clips, I can't believe it exists.

that blowin in the wind 1981 clip went around at some point, it really is sublime.

in ray padgett's newsletter there was a recent/interesting interview with the filmmaker who shot the supper club shows, some discussion about why Dylan wasn't into releasing them ...

tylerw, Thursday, 29 August 2024 14:20 (four weeks ago) link

here are the unheard dylan tapes I want to be sitting in some box in Tulsa: "I did some sessions once with Don Cherry and Billy Higgins. I really don't know what happened to that stuff."

tylerw, Thursday, 29 August 2024 14:50 (four weeks ago) link

You're welcome! And I was actually wondering the other day why Dylan never tried working with full-on jazz musicians. If it happened now, I imagine it would be pretty conservative given his recent standards albums, but I don't think it would be too much of a stretch if it was an ace combo like Jason Moran, Dave Holland, Jack DeJohnette and Bill Frisell.

I saw that interview with Michael Borofsky! He even talks about the train interview with Glover since he filmed it - the moderator at the New School program mentioned that some people in the audience chuckled because they recognized some of the sights outside of the window, which apparently gave away which train line they were taking. (It's the one that follows the Hudson River.)

birdistheword, Thursday, 29 August 2024 19:41 (four weeks ago) link

yeah he did a couple songs with wynton marsalis about a decade ago (or longer?) that ... were pretty good?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwE_zj8Y0X0

not exactly don cherry / billy higgins in the early 60s good ... but yeah, something like "Murder Most Foul" feels almost like it could go in a minimal modern jazz direction. almost surprising he hasn't done anything with frisell.

tylerw, Thursday, 29 August 2024 19:54 (four weeks ago) link

Stylistically Wynton Marsalis makes sense though it's interesting to see the differences in the way they both revisit the past (even the same pre-WWII eras). They've had a great deal of success in doing so - Dylan's modern-day resurgence comes directly out of it, and Marsalis has made himself synonymous with that approach - but Marsalis has been called a reactionary for adhering to a doctrinal philosophy whereas Dylan is very much a restless apostate.

birdistheword, Thursday, 29 August 2024 20:06 (four weeks ago) link

But Marsalis has taken his old school stance into more of a good-humored, songster, Compleat Entertainer vein sometimes, like on his albums with Willie Nelson---I especially like their "tribute" to Ray Charles, which covers RC songs but for instance with some horns that sound more like Cab Calloway Orchestra soundtracking one of those bizarrely imaginative Fleischer Brothers cartoons in the 1930s---though also with relaxed vocals from Willie and Wynton (cool blue breezes of Norah-no-longer-Snorah Jones passing through sometimes).So I think WM and BD might go together well.
I saw Hard Rain in '76, on ABC, I think. Really fun, and the versions of "Oh Sister" and "Shelter From The Storn "uptempo, with slide guitar hook! Just follow that dream, boy), at least the ones on the HR LP, which is not all the same performances as the TV doc, top the originals, I think.
Don't remember a lot of particulars about the doc, but seems like it would be worth an official release, streaming license, something (as we were saying about other possible releases over on the Masked and Anonymous thread).

dow, Thursday, 29 August 2024 22:31 (four weeks ago) link

And speaking of Frisell, he's been on some strong Lucinda albums, and she's with him and the rest of Charles Lloyd & The Marvels on several Vanished Gardens---also their live "Masters of War, " which I hope suggests further possibilities to Mr. D.:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgVFLdwIRPU

dow, Thursday, 29 August 2024 22:59 (four weeks ago) link

Several Vanished Gardens tracks, that is.

dow, Thursday, 29 August 2024 23:02 (four weeks ago) link

Very true re: Marsalis. I don't follow him that closely, but I get the impression he's far less dogmatic than he was before, and collaborating with rock, pop and country stars is probably a reflection of that.

Frisell's pretty amazing - he just did a three week run at the Village Vanguard playing with three different combos. I was only able to catch one, but it's really impressive how he fits himself into any given context.

birdistheword, Friday, 30 August 2024 19:12 (four weeks ago) link


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