Flamenco Primer

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Julio, I borrowed a 2-CD flamenco set called Selection Cante Flamenco on a label (I think) called Promo Sound. All the recordings are from the 30's (and relatively short). I still don't really like flamenco much, because of the vocals, but these were probably the most appealing flamenco recordings I've heard.

Rockist_Scientist (rockist_scientist), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 14:48 (nineteen years ago) link

i don't know if you will find this to be un-exotic, but Camaron de la Isla was the most revolutionary flamenco singer in spain in the 70's, and his experiments with rock have remained unparalleled.
i second the recommendation of Paco de Lucía, even featuring chick corea or john mclaughlin, he outshines them with his primitive genius (but solo albums are better, sure).

joan vich (joan vich), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 15:07 (nineteen years ago) link

could recommend a starter album/comp by camaron, joan?

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 15:11 (nineteen years ago) link

La Nina de los Peines is indeed the Om Kalsoum or Billy Holiday of female Flamanco singing, a rare bird indeed in Flamanco and Gitano culture. I don't believe she released a bad recording. From the 30's to the 50's Tomas Pavon is probably the great vocal master imho. Pepe De La Matrona & El Culata are really worth hearing, the later two probably not thought of as pure Gitano but still very fine vocalists. Antonio Mairena is good.

Dolores Vargas and Lola Flores are more in the style of Flamanco but still still quite dramatic.

I believe the singer "El Chocolate" may still be alive. Anyone traveling to Madrid should seek him out. He used to perform there often. He played NYC maybe 10 years ago. A truly great voice and performer. Think Son House.

Camaron was probably the greatest male singer since the classic era of Flamanco. A powerful and soulful voice. I believe he was pure gitano. Unfortunetly he died way to early in life. His guitarist TOMATITO is one of the few flamanco guitarists from the 80's worth checking out.

Intrestingly enought, every flamanco performance I witnessed in Spain, and I believe I was taken to hear some of the best singers of the day,(from 1981-96)never included dancing or SOLO guitar music. One voice and one guitar only...ever! The gitano attitude was that flamanco dancing was for the tourists and that flamanco style guitar playing (without a vocalist) was nothing more than buzzing in the ears. I'm still perplexed by that thought, but I do see the point.

I have to say that almost anything on the Spanish Belter label is interesting and worth hearing. I have never been sorry purchasing the discs. They can be found on the cheap anywhere in Spain.

VG

(1411), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 15:26 (nineteen years ago) link

'The gitano attitude was that flamanco dancing was for the tourists and that flamanco style guitar playing (without a vocalist) was nothing more than buzzing in the ears'

Intersting: I do love the claps and percussion sounds from the tap dance, I think they add something that is musical and complement to the guitar/vocal lines even if there might not be an obvious technique to it - never seen a flamenco performance but wd always thought, since the music sounds danceable, that there would be dancing to it - I would like to see dancing on the theater stage.

I can see the point about solo guitar performance.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 15:57 (nineteen years ago) link

julio, try La Leyenda del Tiempo.
it's probably quite easy to download.

joan vich (joan vich), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 16:17 (nineteen years ago) link

oh, and VG seems to know way more than me in this subject...
just to link two previously mentioned artists, Lola Flores was married to Manolo Caracol (and then he retired and left her become the massive star she was until her death).

joan vich (joan vich), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 16:19 (nineteen years ago) link

Does anyone know have an opinion on a Jose Fernandez? He did a CD with the Lebanese singer Wadi el-Safi (who is quite good, though I hardly have anything by him).

Rockist_Scientist (rockist_scientist), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 16:37 (nineteen years ago) link

Here's that other collection at amazon. I am pleased to see that some names mentioned on this thread were included in this set. (I just wish they would list credits for each track.)

Rockist_Scientist (rockist_scientist), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 16:42 (nineteen years ago) link

nine months pass...
Quick, recommend lots of flamenco, especially instrumental things. I just found a treasure trove of flamenco mp3s, but I don't really like flamenco much. But I hate to let it go to waste.

RS (Catalino) LaRue (RSLaRue), Monday, 20 June 2005 22:48 (eighteen years ago) link

three years pass...

Love Manolo Caracol and La Nina De Los Peines recordings with one guitar ONLY -- completely switched my way of thinking above and would probably avoid taps and claps (hardly listen to the Paco Pena record that was the starting point for this thread).

Definitely need to hear more singers with ONE gtr format. Will source some Camaron and Pavon next.

Would be open to vocal duets with one guitar...right now I'm not sure whether that's a great idea or disaster.

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 4 December 2008 11:52 (fifteen years ago) link

Those Paco Pena/Camaron albums (listening to their first recorded encounter first form '69) are today's obsession

xyzzzz__, Friday, 5 December 2008 21:59 (fifteen years ago) link

three years pass...

Listening to this, again one gtr and voice format (and a few claps) but he varies his vocals quite a bit, seems like there is some added lyricism. But that could be more noticeable because tracks are generally longer -- as oposed to Caracol and de los Peines, who were recording at an era which probably restricted for how long they could do it for, which meant they had to cram a lot more in.

(first posted about wanting to listen to this rec 7 years ago, where has all the time gone sheesh)

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 14 April 2012 10:45 (twelve years ago) link

one year passes...

RIP Paco de Lucía

Tim Heckler (willem), Wednesday, 26 February 2014 10:17 (ten years ago) link

whoa I totally missed this! RIP paco, you had the quickest fingers and exuded reams of testosterone & dignity esp when looking bored by yr own virtuosity. idk if you were a fascist but you were beautiful as hell & i loved your hair

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TmxfHbd-M0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKtAhJPZS6o

ogmor, Friday, 28 February 2014 02:26 (ten years ago) link

three weeks pass...

In honor of Paco de Lucia's passing and in the spirit of the thread title we will provide a list of his illustrious predecessors, a kind of Mount Rushmore of flamenco if you will.

Ramón Montoya
Niño Ricardo
Diego del Gastor
Sabicas
Mario Escudero

Carlos Montoya

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cv2Fyjk0GGM

ogmor, Sunday, 23 March 2014 13:42 (ten years ago) link

three years pass...

I'm mostly just in love with Paco De Lucia's Fuente Y Caudal album at the moment, so am very appreciative of James Redd's Mount Rushmore of flamenco post from a few years back. I have had previous infatuations with classical Spanish/Baroque before without delving into any modern stuff.

calzino, Tuesday, 15 August 2017 10:44 (six years ago) link

his guitar trio w/ McLaughlin is so good as well.

calzino, Tuesday, 15 August 2017 11:02 (six years ago) link

one year passes...

Some good Flamenco dancers you can see - or take lessons from!- in NYC:
Marina Elana
Bárbara Martínez

Only a Factory URL (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 3 February 2019 04:34 (five years ago) link

three years pass...

Thanks to whoever recommended the documentary about flamenco singer Camarón de la Isla on Netflix. Great on his life and music (obviously) but also deeply informative on the history and philosophy of the Romani. pic.twitter.com/N6CbBc76RY

— Andrew Male (@Andr6wMale) April 5, 2022

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 6 April 2022 09:06 (two years ago) link

one year passes...

thanks to this thread for pointing me to nino ricardo

ꙮ (map), Monday, 2 October 2023 20:36 (eight months ago) link

Pavon had some range...just never got round to him till now. All that lost time.

xyzzzz__, Monday, 2 October 2023 20:54 (eight months ago) link

https://www.expoflamenco.com/en/bordonazo-new/grandpa-remembers-tomas-pavon/

"He didn’t sing, he prayed. When he sang he’d put his hands together like if he were praying"

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 3 October 2023 06:59 (seven months ago) link

four months pass...

I missed Tomatito last night at City Center.

The Ginger Bakersfield Sound (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 2 March 2024 16:26 (three months ago) link

two months pass...

I love the flamenco/jazz fusion of Camaron's song Leyenda del tiempo. Anyone have recommendations for stuff along these lines? It cooks! The bass playing is stellar, it's got funky flute... so good.

Lumli, Saturday, 4 May 2024 23:42 (four weeks ago) link

MIngus' "Ysabel's Table Dance"?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGsVqF-URXc

Bertold Brak (bendy), Tuesday, 7 May 2024 19:54 (three weeks ago) link

^classic!

Billion Year Polyphonic Spree (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 7 May 2024 21:32 (three weeks ago) link


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