Vote for the Best Album of the Decade (from rateyourmusic.com top 50)

nah, i think there are just some women who like some of the same things as guys and they'll be part of the scene regardless of the gender breakdown. i don't think comfort level necessarily comes into play.

Maybe that's a better way to say it. Happiness in vs. comfort in...

Do think that the social texture of ILX would be very different if it was mostly women, even if the point of focus was still music crit.

enjoyment of vs. comfort in. or whatever...

considering that list, the type of music that the rym crowd seems to like, the proggish/metal side of indie - I mean, it's not like there are tons of women making this type of music, and it's not like there are any bestofthedecade classics that they seem to be ignoring just because a female made it. bjork is on there, and that sorta makes sense.

if the rym list was nothing but pop albums and it was still 100% masculine, that'd be weird and suspicious. but that's not the case.

i do know some people who dont like female vocals in their rock/metal.

but their loss

i looked at this and did not think "wow, the ppl who hang at rateyourmusic must hate women!" i thought "oh, i guess rateyourmusic is big with metalheads"

there's not a single thing on this list that i love, some of it i like.

its not just a lack of female artists though, it's a lack of country,hip hop,pop,punk,reggae,various sub-genres of loads of genres (inc lots of metal).

It's a weirdly perfect encapsulation of the current equivalent of the semi-intellectual duderock that was popular with nerdy guys in my high school: sabbath and floyd + peter gabriel and talking heads + i dunno, like king crimson, zappa, kate bush, maiden, v.u., violent femmes, the clash, etc.

dig the difference if you will...

http://rateyourmusic.com/customchart?page=1&chart_type=top&type=album&year=2000s&genre_include=1&genres=pop+&include=both&origin_countries=&limit=none&countries=

um, that's sorted by genre "pop", btw.

i was about to ask

call me a poptimist (gah!), if you must, but i do prefer this list.

at first i thought it might be your countries

(ie show us the greek overall best of 2000 list)

http://rateyourmusic.com/customchart?page=1&chart_type=top&type=album&year=2000s&genre_include=1&genres=&include=both&origin_countries=Greece&limit=none&countries=

we dig our metal to the pedal!!!!!!

\mm/

why do so many stoner metal people post on rateyourmusic.com

I didn't expect my answer to be dopethrone but then again this list is kind of weird

fwiw I don't think dopethrone has any actual songs, it's just a great sounding recording of dudes on robitussin trying to play 50 foot instruments, plus I prefer the original mix with the out-of-control bass frequencies over the widely available remaster

make that 50 foot tall instruments, it's not like they're trying to play 50 pump organs at once

oh, but they are

hardly surprising that rotted christ feature so highly in the greek one

can somebody, anybody, make a best-of-the-00s list that doesn't smell of ass?

I find it hard to believe the decade was that dire

Geir to thread! ;)

uncut have a best of the decade list issue out i think

and im sure the Q one when it comes will blow your mind with its awfulness

i do know some people who dont like female vocals in their rock/metal.

Those ppl need to hear Madder Mortem.

Out of those, "Yoshimi".
But the proper, de-RYM-bias-ized, version of their 2000s list looks like this:
http://rateyourmusic.com/customchart?page=1&chart_type=top&type=album&year=2000s&genre_include=0&genres=metal%2C+experimental%2C+avant-garde+jazz&include_child_genres=t&include=both&origin_countries=&limit=none&countries=

No this:
http://rateyourmusic.com/customchart?page=1&chart_type=top&type=album&year=2000s&genre_include=0&genres=metal%2C+experimental%2C+avant-garde+jazz%2C+modern+classical&include_child_genres=t&include=both&origin_countries=&limit=none&countries=

(Had to remove "modern classical" too)

It's hilarious that RYM minus "metal, experimental, avant-garde jazz, modern classial" = PFork

How is it "proper" if everything is taken out?

it's proper Geir is what it is.

Geir why shouldn't classical,experimental,metal,jazz et al be in top album lists if people think they're good enough to be? Isn't that the point of these sites?

OK, "hate" was kind of a jokingly extreme word. I mean, of course, IGNORE, which is perhaps worse than hating.

I mean... well, sorry for hijacking this thread, but it's been listomania around here today. And I have just noticed this in all these lists. The others, people were saying all "oh, it's because it's canonical rock crit shit" - but this is supposed to be a reader - or rather, user based thing. And the results were even MORE extremely skewed than the canonical rock crit lists.

I mean, someone brought up a good point - I would never use a site like RYM. Because I'm from the old Plan B way of thinking that I just don't believe in ratings. I really have only two ratings - Good and I Don't Care. So perhaps it's that the whole idea of making lists and ratings and canons and league tables is such a masculine endeavor that I shouldn't get hot under the collar about it.

Because, really, ILM does debate and discuss female artists. (When I look at new answers, I see Fever Ray and M.I.A. up there.) They just don't rate them.

It's hilarious that RYM minus "metal, experimental, avant-garde jazz, modern classial" = PFork

Even when you exclude everything but "pop", you still get pretty much PFork there. Mainly because mainstream pop get so many demonstrative 0 votes from people who hate, say, Britney Spears that it will always end up near the bottom of the list no matter how good or bad it may be.

Btw. I find RYM's ratings and computer lists pretty uninteresting. But what I like there is to look at lists made by users with a similar musical taste to mine. And then just ignore all those metal or avante garde fans there.

How is it "proper" if everything is taken out?

99 per cent of the music that people do actually listen to is still in there. The list is completely owned by pop and (non metal) rock. Which is how it should be.

that's our Geir, folks.

but if site users voted for those bands how are they not proper results? You dont think Jazz or Metal or country are as valid as pop or indie?

And, well, I didn't remove hip-hop or R&B. But the RYM users manage to fix that themselves, by giving lowly ratings to mainstream hip-hop/R&B albums so that they will not get in the lists. :)

but if site users voted for those bands how are they not proper results? You dont think Jazz or Metal or country are as valid as pop or indie?

Genres that are only listened to by those who like them will get a way too high rating because all those who dislike them have never heard of them and thus will not give bad ratings to them even though they would probably hate them if they heard them. This goes for all "extreme" genres such as metal and all things avant garde.

that's our Geir, folks.

I think this is Geir's favourite filtered RYM 2000's chart
http://rateyourmusic.com/customchart?page=1&chart_type=top&type=album&year=2000s&genre_include=0&genres=metal%2C+experimental%2C+avant-garde+jazz%2C+modern+classical%2C+post-rock%2C+soundtracks%2C+experimental+rock%2C+alt-country%2C+film+soundtrack%2C+film+score%2C+hip+hop%2C+abstract+hip+hop%2C+drone%2C+avant+folk%2C+doom+metal%2C+black+metal%2C+death+metal%2C+progressive+metal%2C+post-hardcore%2C+breakcore%2C+jazz%2C+stoner+rock%2C+hard+rock%2C+art+rock%2C+avant-prog%2C+blues%2C+blues+rock%2C+stand-up+comedy%2C+idm%2C+alternative+dance%2C+post-punk%2C+garage+rock%2C+progressive+electronic%2C+dark+ambient%2C+neofolk%2C+psychedelic+folk%2C+funk%2C+progressive+rock%2C+electronic%2C+ambient%2C+freak+folk%2C+chanson%2C+romantic+period%2C+southern+rock%2C+country+rock%2C+ska%2C+noise%2C+noise+rock%2C+american+primitivism%2C+african+popular+music%2C+neoclassical+darkwave%2C+jam+band%2C+country%2C+punk+rock%2C+neo-soul&include_child_genres=t&include=both&origin_countries=&limit=none&countries=

Nothing wrong with a lot of those genres. :)

Yet, I usually tell it to list pop only, ignoring all other genres. That usually gives a quite nice list, because albums by mass produced teenybopper acts and all things R&B/hip-hop will always have very low rankings at RYM due to all the low grades from the haters. :)

http://rateyourmusic.com/customchart?page=1&chart_type=top&type=album&year=2000s&genre_include=1&genres=pop&include=both&origin_countries=&limit=none&countries=

Actually THIS: http://rateyourmusic.com/customchart?page=1&chart_type=top&type=album&year=2000s&genre_include=1&genres=power+pop%2C+synth+pop%2C+symphonic+rock&include_child_genres=t&include=both&origin_countries=&limit=none&countries= :)

If you really just want to limit outliers that receive unduly high ratings from a small group of respondents, you should limit the results by the number of votes received.

Top 100 by Rating, limited to those receiving at least 5,000 votes:

1). Radiohead - Kid A (2000) -- Rating: 4.18 [avg. of 11304 votes]
2). Godspeed You! Black Emperor - Lift Yr. Skinny Fists Like Antennas to Heaven! (2000) -- Rating: 4.16 [avg. of 5275 votes]
3). Arcade Fire - Funeral (2004) -- Rating: 4.12 [avg. of 8667 votes]
4). Wilco - Yankee Hotel Foxtrot (2002) -- Rating: 4.06 [avg. of 5152 votes]
5). Tool - Lateralus (2001) -- Rating: 4.04 [avg. of 6058 votes]
6). Interpol - Turn On the Bright Lights (2002) -- Rating: 4.03 [avg. of 5971 votes]
7). Sigur Rós - ( ) (2002) -- Rating: 4 [avg. of 5329 votes]
8). Radiohead - In Rainbows (2007) -- Rating: 3.93 [avg. of 7504 votes]
9). Queens of the Stone Age - Songs for the Deaf (2002) -- Rating: 3.92 [avg. of 5130 votes]
10). The Flaming Lips - Yoshimi Battles the Pink Robots (2002) -- Rating: 3.9 [avg. of 5245 votes]
11). The Mars Volta - De-Loused in the Comatorium (2003) -- Rating: 3.89 [avg. of 5023 votes]
12). Radiohead - Amnesiac (2001) -- Rating: 3.86 [avg. of 8639 votes]
13). The Strokes - Is This It (2001) -- Rating: 3.85 [avg. of 5869 votes]

Still a noticeable metal/experimental bias...

2,000 - 4,999 Votes:

14). Opeth - Blackwater Park (2001) -- Rating: 4.08 [avg. of 4208 votes]
15). Modest Mouse - The Moon & Antarctica (2000) -- Rating: 4.07 [avg. of 3941 votes]
16). Madvillain - Madvillainy (2004) -- Rating: 4.07 [avg. of 2146 votes]
17). Agalloch - The Mantle (2002) -- Rating: 4.04 [avg. of 2030 votes]
18). Isis - Panopticon (2004) -- Rating: 4.03 [avg. of 2101 votes]
19). Johnny Cash - American IV: The Man Comes Around (2002) -- Rating: 4 [avg. of 2008 votes]
20). Sufjan Stevens - Illinois (2005) -- Rating: 3.99 [avg. of 4797 votes]
21). Porcupine Tree - In Absentia (2002) -- Rating: 3.97 [avg. of 3527 votes]
22). At the Drive-In - Relationship of Command (2000) -- Rating: 3.96 [avg. of 3780 votes]
23). Broken Social Scene - You Forgot It in People (2002) -- Rating: 3.96 [avg. of 3108 votes]
24). Mastodon - Leviathan (2004) -- Rating: 3.96 [avg. of 2492 votes]
25). Boards of Canada - Geogaddi (2002) -- Rating: 3.95 [avg. of 2134 votes]
26). The National - Boxer (2007) -- Rating: 3.94 [avg. of 2873 votes]
27). Opeth - Ghost Reveries (2005) -- Rating: 3.92 [avg. of 3192 votes]
28). Explosions in the Sky - The Earth Is Not a Cold Dead Place (2003) -- Rating: 3.91 [avg. of 3447 votes]
29). Björk - Vespertine (2001) -- Rating: 3.91 [avg. of 3246 votes]
30). Porcupine Tree - Deadwing (2005) -- Rating: 3.91 [avg. of 3004 votes]
31). Opeth - Damnation (2003) -- Rating: 3.9 [avg. of 3326 votes]