Vote for the Best Album of the Decade (from rateyourmusic.com top 50)

http://rateyourmusic.com/customchart?page=1&chart_type=top&type=album&year=2000s&genre_include=1&genres=twee+pop%2C+grindcore&include_child_genres=t&include=both&origin_countries=&limit=country&countries=united+states

lol

I could be very happy listening to a mix based on that

Generally, however, RYM year-end lists from the 90s or earlier are looking perfectly fine. It is just in the 00s that the metal/avante garde bias has become a huge problem.

The man on the street is not a real guy, Geir.

If we're actually talking about voting, "Songs for the Deaf" is a pretty kick-ass rock'n'roll rekkid. I'd put it up there with "Here are The Sonics" or "Slayed?", and it's the only one on the list I own and would want to stick on right now.

Even though Norway is kind of (in)famous for our metal scene, this still doesn't look too bad. :)
http://rateyourmusic.com/customchart?page=1&chart_type=top&type=album&year=2000s&genre_include=1&genres=&include_child_genres=t&include=both&origin_countries=&limit=country&countries=norway

geir whats the best RYM type site then?

The RYM ratings haven't been around since the 90s. At least I don't think so. So the earlier ratings simply reflect the older stuff that current, experimental-metal-listening RYM users dig. And that naturally tends to skew mainstream/familiar/fondly remembered.

No shortage of metal (and TONS of hip-hop) in the all users/all genres Best of the 90s list. Same for the 80s, but with less hip-hop and more punk & hardcore.

http://www.exclaim.ca/images/year_madvillain.jpg

can somebody, anybody, make a best-of-the-00s list that doesn't smell of ass?

I find it hard to believe the decade was that dire

― 鬼の手 (Edward III), Friday

Can you? Be constructive, you wuss

this is the current top 100 of the 00s from my friends + favourite users on rateyourmusic.cm

1 Neurosis
A Sun That Never Sets (2001)

Sludge Metal, Atmospheric Sludge Metal

Avg rating: 4.30 | Ratings: 43 | Reviews (total): 37 | Buy this release

2 Perdition City
Ulver
Perdition City (2000)

Electronic, Experimental
Avg rating: 4.26 | Ratings: 50 | Reviews (total): 83 | Buy this release

3 Lift Yr. Skinny Fists Like Antennas to Heaven!
Godspeed You! Black Emperor
Lift Yr. Skinny Fists Like Antennas to Heaven! (2000)

Post-Rock, Experimental Rock
Avg rating: 4.15 | Ratings: 107 | Reviews (total): 421 | Buy this release

4 Kid A
Radiohead
Kid A (2000)

Experimental Rock, Art Rock
Avg rating: 4.13 | Ratings: 118 | Reviews (total): 799 | Buy this release

5 The Eye of Every Storm
Neurosis
The Eye of Every Storm (2004)

Atmospheric Sludge Metal, Post-Rock, Sludge Metal
Avg rating: 4.19 | Ratings: 55 | Reviews (total): 61 | Buy this release

6 Leaving Your Body Map
maudlin of the Well
Leaving Your Body Map (2001)

Progressive Metal, Avant-Garde Metal, Experimental
Avg rating: 4.20 | Ratings: 45 | Reviews (total): 67 | Buy this release

7 Panopticon
Isis
Panopticon (2004)

Sludge Metal, Atmospheric Sludge Metal
Avg rating: 4.12 | Ratings: 74 | Reviews (total): 102 | Buy this release

8 Leaves Turn Inside You
Unwound
Leaves Turn Inside You (2001)

Post-Hardcore, Indie Rock
Avg rating: 4.26 | Ratings: 33 | Reviews (total): 58 | Buy this release

9 Choirs of the Eye
Kayo Dot
Choirs of the Eye (2003)

Experimental Rock, Experimental, Avant-Garde Metal
Avg rating: 4.15 | Ratings: 53 | Reviews (total): 99 | Buy this release

10 Blackwater Park
Opeth
Blackwater Park (2001)

Progressive Metal, Progressive Death Metal
Avg rating: 4.09 | Ratings: 76 | Reviews (total): 323 | Buy this release

11 Bath
maudlin of the Well
Bath (2001)

Progressive Metal, Avant-Garde Metal, Experimental
Avg rating: 4.17 | Ratings: 45 | Reviews (total): 75 | Buy this release

12 Black Earth
Bohren & der Club of Gore
Black Earth (2002)

Jazz, Dark Ambient
Avg rating: 4.18 | Ratings: 42 | Reviews (total): 65 | Buy this release

13 Supermodified
Amon Tobin
Supermodified (2000)

Electronic
Avg rating: 4.15 | Ratings: 42 | Reviews (total): 29 | Buy this release

14 Oceanic
Isis
Oceanic (2002)

Sludge Metal, Atmospheric Sludge Metal
Avg rating: 4.08 | Ratings: 62 | Reviews (total): 71 | Buy this release

15 Endless Summer
Fennesz
Endless Summer (2001)

Glitch, Electronic, Experimental
Avg rating: 4.10 | Ratings: 53 | Reviews (total): 46 | Buy this release

16 The Painter's Palette
Ephel Duath
The Painter's Palette (2003)

Progressive Metal, Avant-Garde Metal
Avg rating: 4.18 | Ratings: 34 | Reviews (total): 36 | Buy this release

17 Lightbulb Sun
Porcupine Tree
Lightbulb Sun (2000)

Progressive Rock
Avg rating: 4.10 | Ratings: 49 | Reviews (total): 88 | Buy this release

18 Maaäet
Tenhi
Maaäet (2006)

Neofolk
Avg rating: 4.15 | Ratings: 38 | Reviews (total): 15 | Buy this release

19 Neon Golden
The Notwist
Neon Golden (2002)

Indie Electronic
Avg rating: 4.08 | Ratings: 52 | Reviews (total): 62 | Buy this release

20 The Mantle
Agalloch
The Mantle (2002)

Folk Metal
Avg rating: 4.07 | Ratings: 57 | Reviews (total): 145 | Buy this release

21 Turn On the Bright Lights
Interpol
Turn On the Bright Lights (2002)

Post-Punk, Indie Rock
Avg rating: 4.01 | Ratings: 83 | Reviews (total): 377 | Buy this release

22 Pop
Gas
Pop (2000)

Ambient, Ambient Techno, Minimal Techno, Electronic
Avg rating: 4.39 | Ratings: 18 | Reviews (total): 25 | Buy this release

23 The Ape of Naples
Coil
The Ape of Naples (2005)

Industrial, Experimental
Avg rating: 4.18 | Ratings: 32 | Reviews (total): 41 | Buy this release

24 The Glow Pt. 2
The Microphones
The Glow Pt. 2 (2001)

Lo-Fi, Psychedelic Folk, Experimental
Avg rating: 4.12 | Ratings: 40 | Reviews (total): 88 | Buy this release

25 Martes
Murcof
Martes (2002)

Glitch, Minimal Techno, Ambient Techno, Electronic
Avg rating: 4.20 | Ratings: 28 | Reviews (total): 18 | Buy this release

26 In Harmonia Universali
Solefald
In Harmonia Universali (2003)

Progressive Metal, Avant-Garde Metal, Experimental
Avg rating: 4.27 | Ratings: 23 | Reviews (total): 14 | Buy this release

27 And Then Nothing Turned Itself Inside-Out
Yo La Tengo
And Then Nothing Turned Itself Inside-Out (2000)

Dream Pop, Indie Rock
Avg rating: 4.07 | Ratings: 46 | Reviews (total): 72 | Buy this release

28 Geogaddi
Boards of Canada
Geogaddi (2002)

IDM, Electronic
Avg rating: 3.98 | Ratings: 76 | Reviews (total): 90 | Buy this release

29 In Absentia
Porcupine Tree
In Absentia (2002)

Progressive Rock
Avg rating: 4.00 | Ratings: 65 | Reviews (total): 219 | Buy this release

30 Funeral
Arcade Fire
Funeral (2004)

Indie Rock
Avg rating: 3.96 | Ratings: 93 | Reviews (total): 687 | Buy this release

31 Of Natural History
Sleepytime Gorilla Museum
Of Natural History (2004)

Experimental Rock, Avant-Prog, Avant-Garde Metal
Avg rating: 4.13 | Ratings: 32 | Reviews (total): 38 | Buy this release

32 Blood Inside
Ulver
Blood Inside (2005)

Electronic, Experimental
Avg rating: 4.02 | Ratings: 51 | Reviews (total): 73 | Buy this release

33 The Cold Vein
Cannibal Ox
The Cold Vein (2001)

Abstract Hip Hop, East Coast Hip Hop
Avg rating: 4.17 | Ratings: 28 | Reviews (total): 83 | Buy this release

34 Jane Doe
Converge
Jane Doe (2001)

Metalcore, Mathcore, Post-Hardcore
Avg rating: 4.02 | Ratings: 49 | Reviews (total): 175 | Buy this release

35 Souvenirs
The Gathering
Souvenirs (2003)

Art Rock, Progressive Rock
Avg rating: 4.09 | Ratings: 36 | Reviews (total): 36 | Buy this release

36 The Sham Mirrors
Arcturus
The Sham Mirrors (2002)

Progressive Metal, Avant-Garde Metal
Avg rating: 4.04 | Ratings: 44 | Reviews (total): 73 | Buy this release

37 Autumn Aurora
Drudkh
Autumn Aurora (2004)

Atmospheric Black Metal, Black Metal
Avg rating: 4.18 | Ratings: 25 | Reviews (total): 37 | Buy this release

38 5
Supersilent
5 (2001)

Free Improvisation, Avant-Garde Jazz, Experimental
Avg rating: 4.38 | Ratings: 16 | Reviews (total): 2 | Buy this release

39 Deliverance
Opeth
Deliverance (2002)

Progressive Metal, Progressive Death Metal
Avg rating: 3.98 | Ratings: 58 | Reviews (total): 119 | Buy this release

40 Damnation
Opeth
Damnation (2003)

Progressive Rock
Avg rating: 3.95 | Ratings: 71 | Reviews (total): 185 | Buy this release

41 Lateralus
Tool
Lateralus (2001)

Alternative Metal, Progressive Rock
Avg rating: 3.94 | Ratings: 73 | Reviews (total): 448 | Buy this release

42 Jesu
Jesu
Jesu (2005)

Drone Doom Metal, Shoegaze
Avg rating: 3.97 | Ratings: 59 | Reviews (total): 63 | Buy this release

43 Blood in Our Wells
Drudkh
Blood in Our Wells (2006)

Atmospheric Black Metal, Black Metal
Avg rating: 4.16 | Ratings: 26 | Reviews (total): 33 | Buy this release

44 The Perfect Element I
Pain of Salvation
The Perfect Element I (2000)

Progressive Metal
Avg rating: 4.08 | Ratings: 34 | Reviews (total): 57 | Buy this release

45 El Cielo
dredg
El Cielo (2002)

Art Rock, Progressive Rock
Avg rating: 4.04 | Ratings: 39 | Reviews (total): 84 | Buy this release

46 Dead as Dreams
Weakling
Dead as Dreams (2000)

Black Metal
Avg rating: 4.25 | Ratings: 20 | Reviews (total): 41 | Buy this release

47 Amnesiac
Radiohead
Amnesiac (2001)

Experimental Rock, Electronic
Avg rating: 3.90 | Ratings: 99 | Reviews (total): 459 | Buy this release

48 Secret South
16 Horsepower
Secret South (2000)

Alt-Country, Gothic Country
Avg rating: 4.16 | Ratings: 25 | Reviews (total): 18 | Buy this release

49 Back to Times of Splendor
Disillusion
Back to Times of Splendor (2004)

Progressive Metal, Progressive Death Metal
Avg rating: 4.10 | Ratings: 30 | Reviews (total): 63 | Buy this release

50 Yankee Hotel Foxtrot
Wilco
Yankee Hotel Foxtrot (2002)

Alt-Country, Alternative Rock
Avg rating: 3.95 | Ratings: 63 | Reviews (total): 325 | Buy this release

51 Vespertine
Björk
Vespertine (2001)

Progressive Pop, Electronica, Art Pop
Avg rating: 3.93 | Ratings: 73 | Reviews (total): 160 | Buy this release

52 The Milk-Eyed Mender
Joanna Newsom
The Milk-Eyed Mender (2004)

Folk, Freak Folk, Singer/Songwriter
Avg rating: 4.02 | Ratings: 42 | Reviews (total): 134 | Buy this release

53 Xtrmntr
Primal Scream
Xtrmntr (2000)

Alternative Dance, Alternative Rock, Electronic
Avg rating: 4.00 | Ratings: 44 | Reviews (total): 61 | Buy this release

54 Ashes Against the Grain
Agalloch
Ashes Against the Grain (2006)

Folk Metal
Avg rating: 3.94 | Ratings: 62 | Reviews (total): 137 | Buy this release

55 Absence
Dälek
Absence (2005)

Experimental Hip Hop, Abstract Hip Hop, Conscious Hip Hop
Avg rating: 3.99 | Ratings: 45 | Reviews (total): 42 | Buy this release

56 Relationship of Command
At the Drive-In
Relationship of Command (2000)

Post-Hardcore
Avg rating: 3.94 | Ratings: 61 | Reviews (total): 243 | Buy this release

57 Beautiful Speck Triumph
Birchville Cat Motel
Beautiful Speck Triumph (2004)

Drone
Avg rating: 4.37 | Ratings: 15 | Reviews (total): 17 | Buy this release

58 A Strangely Isolated Place
Ulrich Schnauss
A Strangely Isolated Place (2003)

Downtempo, Electronic
Avg rating: 4.05 | Ratings: 34 | Reviews (total): 26 | Buy this release

59 Far Away Trains Passing By
Ulrich Schnauss
Far Away Trains Passing By (2001)

Electronic, Downtempo
Avg rating: 4.09 | Ratings: 28 | Reviews (total): 23 | Buy this release

60 Väre
Tenhi
Väre (2002)

Neofolk
Avg rating: 4.09 | Ratings: 28 | Reviews (total): 4 | Buy this release

61 He Has Left Us Alone but Shafts of Light Sometimes Grace the Corner of Our Rooms...
A Silver Mt. Zion
He Has Left Us Alone but Shafts of Light Sometimes Grace the Corner of Our Rooms... (2000)

Post-Rock
Avg rating: 3.92 | Ratings: 64 | Reviews (total): 61 | Buy this release

62 Boris at Last -Feedbacker-
Boris
Boris at Last -Feedbacker- (2003)

Drone, Drone Doom Metal, Noise Rock
Avg rating: 4.07 | Ratings: 30 | Reviews (total): 61 | Buy this release

63 Pale Ravine
Deaf Center
Pale Ravine (2005)

Ambient
Avg rating: 4.16 | Ratings: 23 | Reviews (total): 12 | Buy this release

64 Flares
Port-Royal
Flares (2005)

Ambient, Post-Rock
Avg rating: 4.03 | Ratings: 34 | Reviews (total): 27 | Buy this release

65 Suspended Animation Dreams
Subterranean Masquerade
Suspended Animation Dreams (2005)

Progressive Metal, Progressive Rock
Avg rating: 4.12 | Ratings: 25 | Reviews (total): 26 | Buy this release

66 6
Supersilent
6 (2003)

Free Improvisation, Electronic, Experimental Rock
Avg rating: 4.02 | Ratings: 36 | Reviews (total): 23 | Buy this release

67 Terraforming
The Postman Syndrome
Terraforming (2002)

Progressive Metal, Progressive Rock
Avg rating: 4.25 | Ratings: 18 | Reviews (total): 16 | Buy this release

68 Verisäkeet
Moonsorrow
Verisäkeet (2005)

Folk Metal, Black Metal
Avg rating: 4.25 | Ratings: 18 | Reviews (total): 33 | Buy this release

69 Orphans: Brawlers, Bawlers & Bastards
Tom Waits
Orphans: Brawlers, Bawlers & Bastards (2006)

Singer/Songwriter, Blues Rock, Folk Rock
Avg rating: 4.05 | Ratings: 31 | Reviews (total): 101 | Buy this release

70 ( )
Sigur Rós
( ) (2002)

Post-Rock
Avg rating: 3.85 | Ratings: 106 | Reviews (total): 269 | Buy this release

71 The Empty Hollow Unfolds
Raison d'être
The Empty Hollow Unfolds (2000)

Dark Ambient
Avg rating: 4.55 | Ratings: 11 | Reviews (total): 6 | Buy this release

72 Rossz csillag alatt született
Venetian Snares
Rossz csillag alatt született (2005)

Breakcore, Drill and Bass, Electronic
Avg rating: 3.96 | Ratings: 45 | Reviews (total): 71 | Buy this release

73 Illinois
Sufjan Stevens
Illinois (2005)

Singer/Songwriter, Indie Pop, Chamber Pop
Avg rating: 3.88 | Ratings: 78 | Reviews (total): 356 | Buy this release

74 Finally We Are No One
múm
Finally We Are No One (2002)

Electronic, Indie Electronic
Avg rating: 3.94 | Ratings: 51 | Reviews (total): 52 | Buy this release

75 Untrue
Burial
Untrue (2007)

Dubstep, Electronic
Avg rating: 3.93 | Ratings: 53 | Reviews (total): 138 | Buy this release

76 Light of Day, Day of Darkness
Green Carnation
Light of Day, Day of Darkness (2001)

Progressive Metal
Avg rating: 3.99 | Ratings: 38 | Reviews (total): 55 | Buy this release

77 Rounds
Four Tet
Rounds (2003)

Electronic
Avg rating: 3.95 | Ratings: 46 | Reviews (total): 39 | Buy this release

78 Pain Necessary to Know
Ephel Duath
Pain Necessary to Know (2005)

Avant-Garde Metal, Progressive Metal, Mathcore, Jazz Fusion
Avg rating: 4.13 | Ratings: 23 | Reviews (total): 14 | Buy this release

79 Remedy Lane
Pain of Salvation
Remedy Lane (2002)

Progressive Metal
Avg rating: 4.02 | Ratings: 33 | Reviews (total): 62 | Buy this release

80 Things We Lost in the Fire
Low
Things We Lost in the Fire (2001)

Slowcore
Avg rating: 3.95 | Ratings: 45 | Reviews (total): 43 | Buy this release

81 Last Fair Deal Gone Down
Katatonia
Last Fair Deal Gone Down (2001)

Alternative Rock
Avg rating: 4.00 | Ratings: 34 | Reviews (total): 31 | Buy this release

82 The For Carnation
The For Carnation
The For Carnation (2000)

Post-Rock, Slowcore
Avg rating: 4.02 | Ratings: 32 | Reviews (total): 18 | Buy this release

83 The Black Halo
Kamelot
The Black Halo (2005)

Power Metal
Avg rating: 4.14 | Ratings: 22 | Reviews (total): 53 | Buy this release

84 Bluffer's Guide to the Flight Deck
Flotation Toy Warning
Bluffer's Guide to the Flight Deck (2004)

Dream Pop, Neo-Psychedelia
Avg rating: 4.23 | Ratings: 18 | Reviews (total): 27 | Buy this release

85 Person Pitch
Panda Bear
Person Pitch (2007)

Psychedelic Pop, Experimental
Avg rating: 3.90 | Ratings: 57 | Reviews (total): 250 | Buy this release

86 Enjoy Eternal Bliss
Yndi Halda
Enjoy Eternal Bliss (2006)

Post-Rock
Avg rating: 4.00 | Ratings: 33 | Reviews (total): 81 | Buy this release

87 Svidd neger
Ulver
Svidd neger (2003)

Electronic, Ambient, Film Soundtrack
Avg rating: 4.04 | Ratings: 29 | Reviews (total): 18 | Buy this release

88 Below the Lights
Enslaved
Below the Lights (2003)

Progressive Metal, Black Metal
Avg rating: 4.04 | Ratings: 29 | Reviews (total): 23 | Buy this release

89 American IV: The Man Comes Around
Johnny Cash
American IV: The Man Comes Around (2002)

Americana, Country
Avg rating: 4.02 | Ratings: 30 | Reviews (total): 111 | Buy this release

90 Remembranza
Murcof
Remembranza (2005)

Electronic, Ambient
Avg rating: 4.09 | Ratings: 24 | Reviews (total): 4 | Buy this release

91 Sunset Mission
Bohren & der Club of Gore
Sunset Mission (2000)

Jazz, Dark Ambient
Avg rating: 4.12 | Ratings: 22 | Reviews (total): 31 | Buy this release

92 Terria
Devin Townsend
Terria (2001)

Progressive Metal
Avg rating: 4.00 | Ratings: 31 | Reviews (total): 50 | Buy this release

93 The Gathering Wilderness
Primordial
The Gathering Wilderness (2005)

Folk Metal
Avg rating: 4.02 | Ratings: 29 | Reviews (total): 29 | Buy this release

94 The Tired Sounds Of
Stars of the Lid
The Tired Sounds Of (2001)

Ambient, Drone
Avg rating: 3.96 | Ratings: 36 | Reviews (total): 43 | Buy this release

95 Annihilation of the Wicked
Nile
Annihilation of the Wicked (2005)

Death Metal, Technical Death Metal
Avg rating: 4.04 | Ratings: 27 | Reviews (total): 69 | Buy this release

96 White Pony
Deftones
White Pony (2000)

Alternative Metal, Alternative Rock
Avg rating: 3.93 | Ratings: 41 | Reviews (total): 153 | Buy this release

97 V: Hävitetty
Moonsorrow
V: Hävitetty (2007)

Folk Metal, Viking Metal
Avg rating: 4.12 | Ratings: 21 | Reviews (total): 40 | Buy this release

98 Madvillainy
Madvillain
Madvillainy (2004)

Abstract Hip Hop, Hip Hop, Experimental Hip Hop
Avg rating: 3.93 | Ratings: 40 | Reviews (total): 157 | Buy this release

99 Star Is Just a Sun
The White Birch
Star Is Just a Sun (2002)

Slowcore
Avg rating: 4.42 | Ratings: 12 | Reviews (total): 6 | Buy this release

100 And Their Refinement of the Decline
Stars of the Lid
And Their Refinement of the Decline (2007)

Ambient, Drone
Avg rating: 3.88 | Ratings: 50 | Reviews (total): 63 | Buy this release

Notwist's Neon Golden really should be one of those first 50. None of those are any better than it. And not that I care too much about production techniques, but if you really needed a tiebreaker...

ok, i screwed this up royally the first time out... so once more:

Greece

success! still more metal (56 albums by my count--woo-hoo!) than thou, malakes!!!!!!

geir whats the best RYM type site then?

I would say Acclaimed Music, because it concentrates on critics and doesn't care about all those metal fans who are able to take over a site.

Of course RYM is a fantastic place for lists anyway. Your own lists, and other users' lists, that is.

For 1990s or earlier, RYM is quite good though. Note that their all time list contains very little from the 00s up there at all, simply because opinions on 00s albums are too divided for them to do very well against older albums, who are mostly rated by people who like them and not so much by people who hate them. :)

basically, anything that's been released post 2000 that winds up getting 4.00 or above at RYM is doing astoundingly well.

All those filters are quite cool, but what I miss is an opportunity to pick "albums that have been rated by at least * RYM users"

I would put the limit around 8.000, and get rid of most of the obscure metal.

Best Norwegian Albums of the 00s - clear evidence that Norway has produced some of the best music of the 00s - particularly taking into account the population of the country

http://rateyourmusic.com/customchart?page=1&chart_type=top&type=album&year=2000s&genre_include=1&genres=&include=both&origin_countries=Norway&limit=none&countries=

Geir: uninterested in reality since 1983

i voted for ashes against the grain. because it's my favorite album of the decade. if they had put blood inside on that list instead of perdition city i might have had a dilemna. blood inside and ashes are probably my top two of the decade.

Nick Cave and The Bad Seeds No More Shall We Part (2001)

Really???? Ugh.... hate that album.

ts: Norway vs. Sweden

Sweden

This is the proper Norwegian 00s list (metal is not music):
http://rateyourmusic.com/customchart?page=1&chart_type=top&type=album&year=2000s&genre_include=0&genres=metal&include_child_genres=t&include=both&origin_countries=Norway&limit=none&countries=Norway

i love any country that can house both the kings of convenience and mayhem.

But really, the RYM lists are useful only for the 90s or earlier. In the 00s they are too dominated by weird and strange extreme stuff.

you mean good?

(metal is not music)
― Tied Up In Geir (Geir Hongro),

we really need that photoshop

Geir: uninterested in reality since 1983

― a full circle lol (J0hn D.),

Master Of Unreality is his fave sabbath album!

Coil for sure here.

like, not even close.

2) why the fuck don't men listen to female artists? it's not like women have the same weird moratorium on listening to male artists.

i'm not going to read the whole thread to see whether this is addressed, but kate, this ^^^^ strawman of yours is totally absurd & ridic. fwiw i think everyone going in to a thread about lists understands that lists are subjective based on who compiled them. in this case, a bunch of nerdy dudes who spend time on rate your music. note a larger percentage of metal than you'd find on any other non-genre-specific list.

furthermore, plenty of men listen to female artists. have you noticed how much ILM loves Kate Bush? or Stevie Nicks and Christine McVie? What about MIA, or Annie, or Sleater Kinney or... c'mon. At least try to think about things for a minute before getting up on some stick-horse abt it.

sorry if i come across as a dick btw, i don't intend to. i just disagree with you.

What if the best album of the decade shows up in December? Can we take the poll over again?

only if it meets Geir's approval and isn't a metal album since metal isn't music apparently.

i hope geir was actually a metalhead when he was 12

geir sprung from his mother's womb fully developed at age 47.

But really, the RYM lists are useful only for the 90s or earlier. In the 00s they are too dominated by weird and strange extreme stuff.

Yes. And the same thing would happen if there was an ILM Best of 2000s poll, based on the 2008 Electrodribble movement. That poll was so irritating. The ILM equivalent of a town hall meeting.

just you wait til the xx dominate the ilm best of 2009 electrodribble poll.

You lie!

Just keep your government hands off my electrodribble.

electrodribble will nevah die!!!

xxp to ian:

dude, i'm pretty sure Kate realizes all that fully well, much as anyone else here, come to think of it. i do, however, understand how someone can feel pretty discouraged when they see the same old stereotypically MALE mainstays winning everything in sight. long live the BOYZ ONLY club!!!

furthermore, plenty of men listen to female artists. have you noticed how much ILM loves Kate Bush? or Stevie Nicks and Christine McVie? What about MIA, or Annie, or Sleater Kinney or... c'mon. At least try to think about things for a minute before getting up on some stick-horse abt it.

But this is what I'm saying! It's not as if women don't get props here. So why don't they ever make it onto these canonical lists?

It is *so* discouraging. It's like... honestly, it's like you start to feel invisible after a while. It's so frustrating.

Some of those artists are popular on RYM as well:

The Dreaming #8 for 1982
Hounds of Love #3 for 1985

Dig Me Out #25 for 1997

but but but, this "canonical list" is just compiled by a bunch of random dudes, nothin' canonical about it imo.

Ian (re: Kate),

Thing is, ILM, as a community, is pretty PC in its expressions of taste. It's self-policing wr2 diversity, sensitivity, cultural representation, etc. Even so, its collective taste often skews white, male and indie/dance. RYM aggregates are a less "careful" summary of group taste, thus maybe all the more depressing -- though it's probably a very different group.

Just taking a quick skim through the new albums (didn't count reissues) that I bought in the 2000s, and the grand total is 104 albums that have a significant female presence (either singing or writing the majority of songs on the album) out of 275 albums (and loaded into iTunes).

On the other hand, of those 275 albums, only seven are on this list.

RYM maybe needs more ilxors and females on it then.

Or, I'm only 37% not sexist. Weirdly enough, I did notice that (sorting by album title), the female artists are clustered near the beginning of the alphabet and at the end of the alphabet. Through the first 40 or so albums, about 75% were female; then the last 20 or so albums are also disproportionately female.

Yeah, I've done, like, almost nothing on RYM, though I do have an account somewhere gathering dust. I realized pretty quickly that I don't actually care what most other people think of my music, nor do I care what they think of theirs; I think I actually started reading ILX just a few months before trying to get into RYM (because of DJ Martian, I think), and then I was like, man, fuck this, it's taking time away from listening to music that I like, and I have too much shit to worry about cataloging it all properly. If I had an intern, I'd make them do it.

It's funny, I enjoy reading lists and voting on polls, but not compiling a list. It's too damn hard to choose!