Led Zeppelin: Classic Or Dud?

Still maintain that Page is 10x more interesting and influential as a producer than as a guitarist/writer guy

bringing a special level of wtf RONG to every thread he ever touched

Hey, you'd know.

I already argued this on some other thread, but DUD.

>>Has How the West Was Won changed any minds?

I grew up in the '70's and worshiped Zep. When The Song Remains the Same came out I skipped school to see it. It sucked. All those imaginings I had of how much Zep ruled were dashed on the over-blown histronics on Dazed and Confused, I mean God save me,a therimin solo?

I didn't skip school but I saw it with a beautiful girl who wore a hearing aid. Horrible. Boring. A handjob in the front seat of the car would have been better.

How the West Was One was a bit better because it was split over three CDs and you could skip the Dazed and Confused and Moby Dick stuff easier than you could with the vinyl. But it wasn't that much better.

Distinctions now erased by re-release of Song Remains The Same in twice-the-length deluxe and ultra-deluxe pack. "Mothership" comes in two versions. The long one and the really really long one, the latter which includes selections from the Led Zeppelin DVD which plays just like a CD. Of the latter, the best part is the concert from the Albert Hall in '70 which is still two hours and a bit repetitive.

Pagey and Percy are still laboring under the assumption that we really really really like to hear them play the lo-0-o-0-o-n-g-g-g blooz. While I don't always care for it, substantially -- they may be right.

"Immigrant Song" from Long Beach in 71 or 72 still kills as a perfect example of early heavy metal.

Plus, Pagey played obviously out of tune for the '88 TV reunion in honor of Atlantic Records. They played to about a billion, did Kashmir, and you mean to tell me the guy didn't have a backup guitar tuned to DADGAD?

"I'm a lazy sod!"

Classic, but they have this strange power to reduce highly intelligent people to just grunting and going "Yeah! Fucking sick dude!" a lot.

Hey, you'd know.

-- Ned Raggett

lol oasis

jones looks good for a sixty-something dude
http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00402/snn1107lz682_402646a.jpg

Why do Page & Plant both look like they're kissing someone?

"Stairway to Heaven"

the crowd went into ecstasy while the first notes were being played.

didn't no one there see "Waynes World?!

essentially Queen without a sense of humor, according to this lazy ass BBC journalist:

makes Pete Doherty look like Aled Jones

Stairway:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3G_JTMuHOQk

My workmate went and said they rocked it. Sadly the same could not be said for Foreigner.

Bit of Black Dog @ BBC's Newsnight: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11_QgMO05vo

Some good work by the various reviewers:
"the music's deeply celestial importantness"
"conjunction of jittering funk and squealing"
"Their heaviosity has always been the cornerstone"
"It had been a long time, a long lonely, lonely time, and with nothing but rumors of a tour, no one knew for sure when, or if, it would happen again."

yikes @ that Newsnight clip

Why do Page & Plant both look like they're kissing someone?

They're kissing "My Sweet Satan"

"Stairway to Heaven"

the crowd went into ecstasy while the first notes were being played.

It's because they thought they were playing a cover of "Taurus" by Spirit.

thanks for the link, stan

Terrible BBC review, embarrasing.

The BBC review really kind of says nothing, doesn't it?

I wish I'd been there, it must have been an incredible feeling when they got up on stage.

User comment from the Guardian Unlimited review:

Let's get real here: if you understand anything about music, rock and roll of this type is actually p*ss easy to play. It's ain't no Mozart, it ain't Rachmaninoff. Musically, Led Zeppelin, like all rock music, is overhyped, loud, adolescent crap.

The guy in the review pulls out the tired cliche about how "punk" made bands like Zep irrelevant. Ironic that 30 years later, that Zep seem like the true innovators while lame ass no talent punk bands seem so dated. Physical Graffitti could be released today and seem fresh, whereas the Clash's first album is a mere relic.

the Zep-bashing on this thread =wtf

Physical Graffitti could be released today and seem fresh, whereas the Clash's first album is a mere relic.

wau

That should be in the FAQ.

yeah honestly although "old ilm" was pretty nifty for its willingness to not pay heed to a lot of old recieved wisdom that's really kinda tainted by its being fucking RONG like 99% of the time

Just one man's opininon, folks. I liked the Clash in high school, but that's about where it ended.

the Zep-bashing on this thread = wtf otm

naw bill you're right

hang on, that was the Clash's first album, and you're comparing it with Zeppelin's how manyth? After how many years of being "in de biz"?

Just because you were basing it on "innovation" that's all.

If this thread is an example of the good-old-days ILM, then fuck old ILM!

Mark, not only innovation, but also the freshness of each to my ears, and how it would play today. My comparison still holds with LZI

Maybe so, but how about Physical Graffiti vs. London Calling?

guys how about robert plant's voice on black dog now sounds like someone trying to start an engine in cold weather?

that black dog clip seriously sounds like the vocal equivalent to those youtube "(x) shreds" videos.

Jsnot-that's a much fairer comparison, granted.

I hating picking on the Clash, but I just really reject the tired old saw about "punk coming along to kill the dinosaurs like Yes, the Who, Sabbath,Zep" or whoever you want to put in there, when I would much rather, today, listen to those bands over any of the so-called dinosaur killers. It's just lazy criticism. And to have this pinhead put it in his review of the Zep show, which I would have killed to have been at, is a joke.

I just really reject the tired old saw
Meet the new saw
Same as the old saw

It's just lazy criticism.

That. Cannot. Be. Stressed. Enough.

zep and the clash are both pretty much unimpeachable, and none of either of their albums would sound original or forward-thinking if they were released today.

Presence vs Colour By Numbers.

thats such a weird thing to say, anyway--how on earth would a heavy, bluesy hard-rock/proto-metal album released in 2007 seem "fresh"??

guys how about robert plant's voice on black dog now sounds like someone trying to start an engine in cold weather?

The intro sounds more like a cold engine to me.

The BBC review isn't bad. It's not a slobber -- which is par for the course for a lot of them today, I suspect.

C'mon now, this is funny. Pagey'd have to be a pretty dour guy not to laugh.

Jimmy Page's double-necked axe being wheeled out for guitar shop favourite Stairway To Heaven.

And this is a nice thing to say:

And Page - Mephistophelean with his black frock coat and explosion of white hair - is an equally commanding presence, an incongruous gardening accident which forced the show to be rescheduled notwithstanding.

>>how on earth would a heavy, bluesy hard-rock/proto-metal album >>released in 2007 seem "fresh"??

By doing an A/B listening test with just about any stoner rock CD released in the last four years. (There'd be a couple exceptions not worth mentioning for the sake of discussion.) Hey, A/B Zeppelin with the last great white hope -- Wolfmother in 2006. Don't shoot the messenger. At one point every newspaper rockcritic seemed to be into comparing 'em with Zep.

>>how on earth would a heavy, bluesy hard-rock/proto-metal album >>released in 2007 seem "fresh"??

Listen to the fucking music, man. If you think PG is just a heavy, bluesy hard rock/ proto-metal album, I feel bad for you. Then again, you didn't have P-Funk on your Jersey music poll, so I guess I don't care if you think it's weird.

Wolfmother are fine by me; their album was both fierce and funny.

he didn't say it was JUST that, he said it IS that, and it is undeniably at least that

that said, i don't think anybody would confuse physical graffiti for something by a current stoner rock band

this train of thought is weird though, it's like when that jane austen fan submitted austen novels practically verbatim to major publishers, was of course rejected by all of them and then was like "today's editors are philistines!"

newsflash: art exists in context

presence is definitely better than anything the clash ever released.

any male vocalist who sings like his nuts are in a vice gets compared to Plant