pointing and laughing at dance music part 4912

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Dave, stop reading the Daily Mail!

i used to work there < / potentially devastating confessional >

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Thursday, 28 August 2003 12:24 (twenty years ago) link

'in the descendant now rock is back in the ascendant'

this sentence has never been in th bizarre column! sean paul is the new shaggy tho, apparently...

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Thursday, 28 August 2003 12:26 (twenty years ago) link

actually the shaping effect of the tabloids on music shd be its own thread really i think - not that i have time to contribute :(

ans = of COURSE it has an effect and not all "bad" either (necessarily)

actually the fact that eg the nme is paid unquestioning attention by eg bizarre columnists (and radio one djs) is an even more extreme example of HE GOT WHAT HE WANTED BUT HE LOST WHAT HE HAD

mark s (mark s), Thursday, 28 August 2003 12:31 (twenty years ago) link

this sentence has never been in th bizarre column! sean paul is the new shaggy tho, apparently...

ha ha, sorry - add the word 'Jordan' in there somewhere

stevem (blueski), Thursday, 28 August 2003 12:32 (twenty years ago) link

The Faust thing is interesting yes but also kind of bleak, does it mean when the scene is vibrant the writing never is?

It reminds me of a thread I started last year "is dance music starting to have a heritage every bit as irritating as that of rock music".

I am a bit lost here because I went to lunch and then had work to do. Matt's point about broadening what's written about is good but I'm not sure people understand DJ sets enough.

On reflection Gareth's questions were getting at one thing I was thinking about at lunchtime, sort of why doesn't one (or don't I) just write about dance for dance people. It feels like preaching to the converted I guess, I'd rather be working towards something rather than just doing the job.

And yeah I see the obvious "but if you achieve it you'd have nothing to do" thing but that's true of any life.

Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 28 August 2003 12:40 (twenty years ago) link

why doesn't one (or don't I) just write about dance for dance people. It feels like preaching to the converted I guess

But I thought your whole rationale behind this was stopping all these great records you've heard from disappearing? In which case, surely writing for an audience you KNOW would like them is perfect?

Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 28 August 2003 12:42 (twenty years ago) link

i think it means the quest is more rewarding than the achieved goal

but also there's tom's point that unless you think quite hard about what the achieved goal is to be, you may end up with something you can't bear

mark s (mark s), Thursday, 28 August 2003 12:44 (twenty years ago) link

yeah but writing in the dance press is barely documenting them at all is it? due to what I said earlier and the enforced racing tips style etc.

Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 28 August 2003 12:48 (twenty years ago) link

quest = "good writing abt dance" = actually working out/developing/inventing a new (but also workable*) kind of "good" for dance writing to be (which eg IS GOOD FOR DANCE ITSELF??)

(*ie not publishable only in slim volumes of poetry handprinted in vilnius)

mark s (mark s), Thursday, 28 August 2003 13:00 (twenty years ago) link

the racing tips style is good. there's nothing wrong with it, but for places to think that, unless you're simon reynolds, you can't do good holistic scene/theme-based pieces sucks... tony marcus used to do great pieces like this, i've done a couple of nice ones and am currently working on another, so it can work you just need to be given the room to make these manoeuvres... unfortunately where a lot of rock writers aren't great, the vast majority of dance music writers currently in print absolutely stink and are NOT capaple of anything beyong regurgitating a press release. also a lot of editors probably take/took their cues from this, coupled with their own professional inadequacies, to reinforce bad writing in the dance music press.

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Thursday, 28 August 2003 13:01 (twenty years ago) link

think the racing tips style can be very lame, if they mention an influence or who it sounds like the entire rest of the review is sunk by its impact.

need to be given room to make these manoeuvres

What are the chances though eh? At least in print anyway.

Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 28 August 2003 13:07 (twenty years ago) link

it can be - particularly when the tips in question are bollocks...

What are the chances though eh? At least in print anyway.

you need to write for american magazines who don't pay!

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Thursday, 28 August 2003 13:11 (twenty years ago) link

Might over reliance on racing tips style be the reason that the majority of dance writers stink

Ricardo (RickyT), Thursday, 28 August 2003 13:12 (twenty years ago) link

What abt stuff like this? http://www.akai-sampler.com/

dave q, Thursday, 28 August 2003 13:15 (twenty years ago) link

Akais? how quaint!

stevem (blueski), Thursday, 28 August 2003 17:55 (twenty years ago) link

like 'dance music' apparently!

dave q, Thursday, 28 August 2003 19:02 (twenty years ago) link

two years pass...
''who's to say Paul Oakenfold didn't deserve a £10,000 cheque for 6 hours work but Premiership footballers do?''

NOBODY deserves that much money for six hours work.

Nobody deserves than money for 1 months work.

Chewshabadoo (Chewshabadoo), Tuesday, 27 September 2005 14:30 (eighteen years ago) link

''who's to say Paul Oakenfold didn't deserve a £10,000 cheque for 6 hours work but Premiership footballers do?''

NOBODY deserves that much money for six hours work.

Nobody deserves that money for 1 months work.

Chewshabadoo (Chewshabadoo), Tuesday, 27 September 2005 14:30 (eighteen years ago) link

I DO, DAMMIT

The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 27 September 2005 14:42 (eighteen years ago) link

So if the top-paid person in Britain grosses 119,999 a year, then ... let's see ... adjust the pay scale ... carry the one ... you make 16p an hour, sorry.

nabiscothingy, Tuesday, 27 September 2005 14:47 (eighteen years ago) link


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