Led Zeppelin: Classic Or Dud?

Why do Page & Plant both look like they're kissing someone?

"Stairway to Heaven"

the crowd went into ecstasy while the first notes were being played.

didn't no one there see "Waynes World?!

essentially Queen without a sense of humor, according to this lazy ass BBC journalist:

makes Pete Doherty look like Aled Jones

Stairway:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3G_JTMuHOQk

My workmate went and said they rocked it. Sadly the same could not be said for Foreigner.

Bit of Black Dog @ BBC's Newsnight: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11_QgMO05vo

Some good work by the various reviewers:
"the music's deeply celestial importantness"
"conjunction of jittering funk and squealing"
"Their heaviosity has always been the cornerstone"
"It had been a long time, a long lonely, lonely time, and with nothing but rumors of a tour, no one knew for sure when, or if, it would happen again."

yikes @ that Newsnight clip

Why do Page & Plant both look like they're kissing someone?

They're kissing "My Sweet Satan"

"Stairway to Heaven"

the crowd went into ecstasy while the first notes were being played.

It's because they thought they were playing a cover of "Taurus" by Spirit.

thanks for the link, stan

Terrible BBC review, embarrasing.

The BBC review really kind of says nothing, doesn't it?

I wish I'd been there, it must have been an incredible feeling when they got up on stage.

User comment from the Guardian Unlimited review:

Let's get real here: if you understand anything about music, rock and roll of this type is actually p*ss easy to play. It's ain't no Mozart, it ain't Rachmaninoff. Musically, Led Zeppelin, like all rock music, is overhyped, loud, adolescent crap.

The guy in the review pulls out the tired cliche about how "punk" made bands like Zep irrelevant. Ironic that 30 years later, that Zep seem like the true innovators while lame ass no talent punk bands seem so dated. Physical Graffitti could be released today and seem fresh, whereas the Clash's first album is a mere relic.

the Zep-bashing on this thread =wtf

Physical Graffitti could be released today and seem fresh, whereas the Clash's first album is a mere relic.

wau

That should be in the FAQ.

yeah honestly although "old ilm" was pretty nifty for its willingness to not pay heed to a lot of old recieved wisdom that's really kinda tainted by its being fucking RONG like 99% of the time

Just one man's opininon, folks. I liked the Clash in high school, but that's about where it ended.

the Zep-bashing on this thread = wtf otm

naw bill you're right

hang on, that was the Clash's first album, and you're comparing it with Zeppelin's how manyth? After how many years of being "in de biz"?

Just because you were basing it on "innovation" that's all.

If this thread is an example of the good-old-days ILM, then fuck old ILM!

Mark, not only innovation, but also the freshness of each to my ears, and how it would play today. My comparison still holds with LZI

Maybe so, but how about Physical Graffiti vs. London Calling?

guys how about robert plant's voice on black dog now sounds like someone trying to start an engine in cold weather?

that black dog clip seriously sounds like the vocal equivalent to those youtube "(x) shreds" videos.

Jsnot-that's a much fairer comparison, granted.

I hating picking on the Clash, but I just really reject the tired old saw about "punk coming along to kill the dinosaurs like Yes, the Who, Sabbath,Zep" or whoever you want to put in there, when I would much rather, today, listen to those bands over any of the so-called dinosaur killers. It's just lazy criticism. And to have this pinhead put it in his review of the Zep show, which I would have killed to have been at, is a joke.

I just really reject the tired old saw
Meet the new saw
Same as the old saw

It's just lazy criticism.

That. Cannot. Be. Stressed. Enough.

zep and the clash are both pretty much unimpeachable, and none of either of their albums would sound original or forward-thinking if they were released today.

Presence vs Colour By Numbers.

thats such a weird thing to say, anyway--how on earth would a heavy, bluesy hard-rock/proto-metal album released in 2007 seem "fresh"??

guys how about robert plant's voice on black dog now sounds like someone trying to start an engine in cold weather?

The intro sounds more like a cold engine to me.

The BBC review isn't bad. It's not a slobber -- which is par for the course for a lot of them today, I suspect.

C'mon now, this is funny. Pagey'd have to be a pretty dour guy not to laugh.

Jimmy Page's double-necked axe being wheeled out for guitar shop favourite Stairway To Heaven.

And this is a nice thing to say:

And Page - Mephistophelean with his black frock coat and explosion of white hair - is an equally commanding presence, an incongruous gardening accident which forced the show to be rescheduled notwithstanding.

>>how on earth would a heavy, bluesy hard-rock/proto-metal album >>released in 2007 seem "fresh"??

By doing an A/B listening test with just about any stoner rock CD released in the last four years. (There'd be a couple exceptions not worth mentioning for the sake of discussion.) Hey, A/B Zeppelin with the last great white hope -- Wolfmother in 2006. Don't shoot the messenger. At one point every newspaper rockcritic seemed to be into comparing 'em with Zep.

>>how on earth would a heavy, bluesy hard-rock/proto-metal album >>released in 2007 seem "fresh"??

Listen to the fucking music, man. If you think PG is just a heavy, bluesy hard rock/ proto-metal album, I feel bad for you. Then again, you didn't have P-Funk on your Jersey music poll, so I guess I don't care if you think it's weird.

Wolfmother are fine by me; their album was both fierce and funny.

he didn't say it was JUST that, he said it IS that, and it is undeniably at least that

that said, i don't think anybody would confuse physical graffiti for something by a current stoner rock band

this train of thought is weird though, it's like when that jane austen fan submitted austen novels practically verbatim to major publishers, was of course rejected by all of them and then was like "today's editors are philistines!"

newsflash: art exists in context

presence is definitely better than anything the clash ever released.

any male vocalist who sings like his nuts are in a vice gets compared to Plant

Good times.

Bad times.

hahaha

I just really reject the tired old saw about "punk coming along to kill the dinosaurs like Yes, the Who, Sabbath,Zep" or whoever you want to put in there

I do too, but only because the Who cannot be killed.

But those other bands? Feh.

im not really sure you "love music."

i love zeppelin so much. we listened to song remains the same this last weekend and goddamn i forgot how nuts they were, there were parts of dazed and confused where you thought bonham and jones thought they were in james brown's band....page is also such a weird guitar player compared to all the other "guitar heros", he plays way more fucked up,sloppy, strange stuff than hendrix...

but yeah anyway they are sweet. glad to see presence get some love in the live set.

and zep had so much more variety and range than stoner rock bands...i mean it's not like QOTSA or wolfmother or whoever is going to have "in the light" or "down by the seaside" on their record.

Thanks Matt, that's a major part of the point I was trying to make, no matter how inartfully. I think those kinds of songs would sound good even released today. Plus, with Page's production I find something new in these songs each time I listen to them.