Led Zeppelin: Classic Or Dud?

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Surely the appreciation of instrumental virtuosity requires the very distancing that Fred says is anathema to the Zep listener? You can't have it both ways, surely? Mind you, I quite like them so I should probably keep my trap shut.

― David, Friday, 29 September 2000 00:00 (twenty-five years ago)

One last post and then I really will shut up!

The ironic thing, I've just realised, is that my reaction to Led Zep *is* pretty much 'instinctual' - as I said to Fred in chat a few days ago, the difference is that I'm basically more of a punk than him. So I like Motorhead, he likes Zep, and both of us look around for rationalisations as to why the other one is less rockin'. Having grown up on the British music press and their horror of anything approaching prog or dinosaur rock, my gut instinct is to mistrust the virtuosity and bombast of the Zep: so my negative judgement is based on that 'unthinking' reaction.

Of course, I *could* think myself into liking some of their stuff, but as Fred says, that's hardly the point...

― Tom, Friday, 29 September 2000 00:00 (twenty-five years ago)

OK, off the top of my head:

Busta Rhymes - 'This Means War' samples 'Iron Man'

Cypress Hill - 'I Ain't Goin' Out Like That' samples 'The Wizard'

And I'm sure that 'Behind the Wall of Sleep' has been used on a record too, Okay it's not quite 'When the Levee Breaks' but it's still got a fucking good, if loose, groove

― Chewshabadoo, Friday, 29 September 2000 00:00 (twenty-five years ago)

I can never hear the lyrics very well unless it's Bob Dylan. So, thankfully, lyrics rarely interfere with my rock and roll enjoyment. For Zep it's the riffs man, it's the riffs. For Sabbeth, it's the riffs man, it's the riffs. For Rage Against the Machine, it's the riffs. For the Stones, the riffs. The riffs are probably why bombastic, butt-simple rock and roll works at all. When you put virtuosity and rock and roll together, I worry. Rock and roll is the professional wresting of music and I love it.

Who has more original, harder, stranger, colder, more bombastic riffs than Zep?

That said: Stairway to Heaven may be Zep's pop masterpiece, but pop isn't what I want out of a hard band. I've seen them twice but after the first album, they could only play arrangements of their multitracked recordings. If Zeps extraordinary arrangements bear any responsibility for the over-produced so-called power ballads that came after, I curse them. Finally, Jimmy played the coldest blues based solos ever - his solos bother me every time I hear them but, maybe that's a good thing.

― TK, Friday, 29 September 2000 00:00 (twenty-five years ago)

the term "virtuosity" is being tossed around a lot. is johnny marr virtuosic? kevin shields? does tom (or whoever) appreciate them for their virtuosity. i suspect the answer is yes.

as for zeppelin, to paraphrase cole gagne on branca, it does not matter what anyone thinks about them any more than it matters what anyone thinks of the sun. they were my ecstasy and education from ages 10-14 or so. i can't stand them most of the time now, after punk happened long ago for me but there are always precious moments when i can listen and get into it again. the reasons for loving them and hating them are both equally obvious and *don't matter*. zeppelin simply are.

curiously neglected so far:

i) the obvious vulnerable and androgynous qualities of robert plant's voice and persona. *this* is one item that separates them from standard macho beer-drinking rock and makes them valuable to misfit teen boys (god knows none of the *jocks* were listening to them in my gr 8 class).

ii) the tolkien's not there to make the fans feel smug and intellectual. fuck, when do most people read tolkien? gr 6? gr 7? it's there because, along with the music, zeppelin really aimed to create a fantasy-world and to achieve an otherworldly experience. item number two.

listening to just the cure all the time though. gah.

― sundar subramanian, Friday, 29 September 2000 00:00 (twenty-five years ago)

also interesting that zeppelin is being described as totally non-intellectual, primal, etc. such claims are never made of, say, fugazi. are they really more sophisticated?

― sundar subramanian, Saturday, 30 September 2000 00:00 (twenty-five years ago)

Also, no one's yet mentioned the heavy debt Zep had to the English folk tradition. Maybe that's not as obvious on their albums, but the only thing of theirs I own is Boxed Set II and they really play it up in the liner notes.

― Josh, Sunday, 1 October 2000 00:00 (twenty-five years ago)

or their explorations of indian classical music for that matter.

― sundar subramanian, Monday, 2 October 2000 00:00 (twenty-five years ago)

Zeppelin's definitely a classic. No question about it.

The best Zep, though, were "Physical Graffiti" and "Presence." The first LP of the former is the best funk record ever recorded (better even that Parliament/Funkadelic). The second is just great.

― Tadeusz Suchodolski, Thursday, 5 October 2000 00:00 (twenty-five years ago)

First of all, a considerable portion of Led Zeppelin is quite classic; they are one of the very few bands that could make absofuckinglutely ANYTHING rock: calypso, english pussy folk, black magic, disco, cavestomp, whatever. They were like a karaoke studio band gone bananas (Robert Plant adding a pure ridiculousness factor that puts them over the top, Stairway and all.) But I CANNOT BELIEVE the grief that the greatest rhythm section rock has ever known, the band that invented the rhythmic language of heavy metal as it were, are getting here. Bill Ward, Geezer Butler, and Tony Iommi did EVERYTHING as rhythm; just because Ward didn't mike his bass drum at the end of a canyon doesn't make their rhythms weak. Listen to the syncopated crashing on a song like Supernaught and spot the rhythmic equivalent anywhere other than maybe early seventies electric jazz or Sun Ra. No-one in rock has even come close. No, it isn't usually funky, but that's hardly the point. While Zeppelin were busy goofing around with trying to convert as many forms of music as possible into rock and roll, Sabbath invented and perfected a new form of expression.

Kris.

― Kris P. Ozzfest Rainout, Thursday, 5 October 2000 00:00 (twenty-five years ago)

one month passes...

Zep rules.... i didn't read everyone answer cuz im too stoned.....but zep kicks ass and everyone that said that zeppelin's music sucks, is way too stubborn to let the music take over.......by not liking zep you have just not succum to transendece or Plants voice............you think its cool not to like what everyone else thinks...(you all know who u are).....u think that by liking a less popular band it makes you more unique.....but in actuality your just a bunch suckers that think it cool to listen to a shitty band.....

― f.ccccc, Wednesday, 29 November 2000 01:00 (twenty-five years ago)

one month passes...

How timely, just the other day i was in the mood for some 70s style RAWK! But scanning my Led Zep box I saw too much songs that gave me the creeps. Exceptions for me still are "Kashmir", "In my time of dying" and in spite of Plant's voice, "No Quarter"...that wah-wah riff instantly turns me into a air-guitar playing dork, going "Whagawahgawha, whagawahgawah" (etc.)

― Omar Munoz, Wednesday, 3 January 2001 01:00 (twenty-five years ago)

three weeks pass...

Led zeppelin fucked a girl with a shark. they also made some totally huge sounding music. also, they made some pretty bad music. seeing as they fucked that girl with the shark,though, they rule.

― swastikas forever, Thursday, 25 January 2001 01:00 (twenty-five years ago)

three weeks pass...

Led Zeppelin is a good band, not god-like, but they had many good qualities. I only own two of their albums. I only own one of their CDs. I only own that album for one song: "When The Levee Breaks." My gosh that's a good song. Cathartic, escapist, whatever the hell you wanna call it. I do have one complaint: Why did Plant have to do his primal scream/grizzled bluesman shouting thing during the _first_ slide guitar break? That led to the second one being kind of anticlimactic. Ah well, beggars can't be choosers.

― Jack Redelfs, Wednesday, 21 February 2001 01:00 (twenty-five years ago)

one month passes...

Personally I believe that Led Zeppelin is on of the most overrated rock band of all time. Yes, they are one of the most requested rock bands in history, but that doesn't make them good. Black Sabbath was a much more influential than Zeppelin ever was. Sabbath inspired the entire Heavy Metal genre, while zeppelin can maybe be credited with 80's hair bands.

― Jeff J., Monday, 26 March 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Led Zeppelin is the WORST band.They SUCK so bad that they make puff daddy sound good......it's true.All the dumbasses that listen to this shit should get some help.......All Led Zeppelin is,is a bunch of faggots that can't play for shit.........it's true.Thank goodness they are RETIRED.So we don't have to put up with the badness that they display......it's true.They are probabley enjoying their retirement collecting $207.42 a month for the rest of their lives.......that's not bad money for them considering their making more money now then when they played to empty night clubs.......it's true.

― ray charles, Tuesday, 27 March 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

two months pass...

Maybe you don't like LZ, but they were NOT bad musicians. Bonzo is the BEST ROCK DRUMMER, and if you don't agree, who's better? Travis Barker? And when you consider his praise from other musicians, I'd say that Jimmy Page is not a bad guitarist.

― LZ, Saturday, 23 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

All you people have no taste or anything musical in you if you say that Zeppelin sucks. Like they are actual artists unlike those fucking skid groups or rap fuckers these days.How can you compare zeppelin to Dr. Dre. Jimmy Pagfe is perhaps the greatest guitarist of all time and in my mind he is the king of rock n roll. Led Zeppelin is the geatest band of all time and I shit on you pricks who don't know what they are talking about.

Fuck you all

― Milton Robertson, Thursday, 28 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Ray Charles fucks fred nice and Hard up the ass. ZEPPELIN RULES MAN. NOW I'M GONNA GO SMOKE A JOINT FOR ZEP THE I'M GONNA TAKE A SHIT TO REPRESENT RAY'S AND FRED'S INTELLIGENCE

― Fred's gay, Thursday, 28 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Er, obviously bob cannae read. But he did make me laugh.

― Nicole, Thursday, 28 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I can not believe that there is even a discussion on whether or not led zeppelin was good. Unlike other bands, they constantly progressed and changed. They started out as a blues band, with some hard rock, like dazed and confused off of their first album. As result of their progression and experimentation, they became one of the first hard rock bands of all time.

Later bands would imitate the screamin and screaching guitars; however, the rythm sectio could not be duplicated. Furthermore, the sound of led zeppelin was a result of a combination of many influencs,including indian classical and celtic. Later bands' sound was a result of musical interests within the band that were limited in genre.

All of the musicians in the band are of the highest quality. JImmy Page ranks as one of the best guitarists ever, and the rythm section of John Paul Jones an John Bonham is unrivaled. The songwritig duo of Page and Plant was also one of the best ever.

Contrary to the beliefs of some people who have posted, Led zeppelin set records for sales of tickets and albums. Their live performances shattered tickt sales records, due to elongated versions of songs such as moby dick, which is also an example of Bonham's amazing talent. They are also right behind the beatles in total record sales. HOwever, the beatles had 21 albums, where zep only had 10.

Now could somebody clarify how zeppelin isn't good, because i just don't see it.

― jim, Saturday, 30 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

1. Ever experimental without losing the brand value. Is that claasic? 2. Some times fake - Kashmir does not have a yellow desert. Classic? 3. Inspiration galore: Golum, the evil one. 4. Pioneering: Whole lotta love. Absolute classic. 5. Aura. natural.

― Rajesh Naik, Friday, 6 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

All of the musicians in the band are of the highest quality.

Guaranteed to never shrink or fade. But they might get very wrinkly and boring.

― Tracer Hand, Friday, 6 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Robert Plant sounds like a cat being kicked in the balls. THAT is enough for them to be described as dud. Yeah, they may have continually progressed or whatever, but Percy himself never progressed beyound sounding like an feline in extreme pain.

― Richard Tunnicliffe, Friday, 6 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

two weeks pass...

The only reson ou have not to like Led Zeppelin and even Tolkien is because you're in a different state of mind. It's about escaping reality a creating one of your very own. So don't give me that crap about it being shit. This is the basis of all forms of art.

― muppet monkey, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

"They are also right behind the beatles in total record sales. However, the beatles had 21 albums, where Zep only had 10": this the clicher for me. 21 = kewl number (3 x 7); 10 = evil number (2 x 5). D'you SEE?

I like Plant's voice.

― mark s, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Their most powerful moments were often the quieter ones..."That's the Way" off of III, "The Rain Song" from Houses, "Down By the Seaside" from Physical Graffiti.

But the stuff I think I most enjoy from them are when they were just plain goofy and/or eccentric. I'm thinking "Boogie with Stu", "Hats Off (to Roy Harper)", "The Crunge", "Hot Dog", etc

Can't think of too many weak moments from Zep, actually...

― Joe, Wednesday, 25 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

It's kind of hard to get into an argument about Led Zeppelin when the ground rules seem to be that they weren't pretty accomplished usicians who managed to extend the vocabulary of popular music in ways that few bands ever do.

I can understand those who don't like them becasue of the Prog/Dinosaur overtones, but simply noting that they were in that field would negate the accusations of them bieng anti-intellectual and lacking skill.

Sure, some of their songs are *fairly* simple, but on the whole, they almost always managed to do something unexpected or quirky within the context of Loud Blues.

They're one of the few Rawk bands I can stand, because there's always something ungraspable about how they came to what they ended up doing. To me, if you can figure out how a band got to their end product (and could replicate it yourself), why bother listening to it?

― CountV/John T, Friday, 27 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

one month passes...

Some of these "Black Sabbath" fans crack me up with there total lack of knowledge about rock history. Led Zeppelin did not influence that horrible hair metal of the 80's musically. All those lame bands did was try to "look" like them. There music was silly pop dreck with loud guitars.

Zeppelin's music, if you listen to it, was exstremly inventive and layered. Led Zeppelins actually musical influence can actually be felt most from everyone from Prince to REM to Jane's Addiction to Smashing Pumpkins. Not lame hair metal, lol. On the other hand all Black Sabbath ever influenced was moronic crap like death metal, or black metal and a bunch of low IQed, beer swilling "metal heads" with a mentality to "break stuff" and worship the devil. Please.

Also the comments about Led Zeppelin not being intellectual are ignorant in my opinion. Is Mozart not intellectual? He certainly did not have many lyrics about war or polotics did he? What was intellectual about Zeppelin was there musical ability. The world was filled with tons of good and lame bands that where "politcally consious", i think they where and still are a breath of fresh air. I like some Punk rock, but if you are that non-ecclectic as to be turned off to great musicans because of some silly ideal or scene (like punk) then your a idiot.

― Robert, Friday, 21 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Well it's more than likely that Led Zep isn't the greatest rock band of all time. The majority of their lyrics seems to have come straight from their waists and some of their more popular riffs are remarkably simple. Plant is probably overrated and had he not died so prematurely, Bonzo might never have been as celebrated as he is now. Still, does that mean that Immigrant Song is not worth listening to, or that Over The Hills and Far Away is useless tripe from a pretentious 70s band? Maybe... but no one can argue that they were more influential than Sabbath ever could have been. Firstly, I contend that it is Led Zep and not Sab that should be pointed out as the originators of heavy metal if you had but one finger to point with. But even if you don't agree, let us remember that it was Black Sabbath's unbearbable stagnation that was in the most part responsible for the New Wave of British Heavy Metal movement in the 1980s. (The fact is that most tributes to Black Sabbath - how many are there, seven? - feature generic death metal bands with cookie monster vocalists.)

So, did Sabbath influence Iron Maiden or Judas Priest? Probably, but not in the way they might have liked. There may be a reason Maiden - a band that does few covers - did one of Whole Lotta Love, but never a single Sabbath tune.

― Jack Torrance, Thursday, 4 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

― J Corabi, Friday, 12 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

seven months pass...

Just the fact that so many people still feel strongly about Zep, 20 years after their demise, says something. Unlike 99% of the crap that is made today and forgotten 6 mopnths later. Long live "classic" rock.

Ron

― Ron Murray, Friday, 7 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Led zeppelin fucked a girl with a shark.

So they influenced R. Kelly, too!

― Dan Perry, Friday, 7 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

R. Kelly isn't in their league.

― dleone, Friday, 7 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

it was the vanilla fudge at the edgewater inn in washington state that fcked a girl with the shark.

― chaki, Friday, 7 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Yes, Zep were the red snapper, not the shark

― Ben Williams, Friday, 7 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

the vanilla fudge invented everything!!

― mark s, Saturday, 8 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

one month passes...

I quite like Zep. And I don't think Sabbath come close really because they are so one-dimensional (to my fascistic ears, at least). Whereas, Zep were multi-faceted and instead of writing a few good somngs, wrote a string of shit-hot albums.

Anyband with Bonham at the back was on to a winner (unless it was Bonham's own band) and Page and Plant ain't so bad either. Actually, I recall Ian Anderson of Jethro Tull fame telling Melody Maker back in the day that with his lyrics and Zep's music they "could have made quite a good little rock and roll band." Ha ha ha ha ha.. sorry, I laugh my ass off everytime I hear that.

Gimme Physical Graffiti everytime. I think it's actually too good, if that's possible, which it isn't, but it feels like it is when I listen to that album. Does anyone else know what I (don't) mean?

― Roger Fascist, Monday, 29 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I've been spinning 'The Song Remains the Same' a bit recently, and it all sounds grate - funk metal, speed metal, prog metal, the 20min version of 'Dazed and Confused', even Bonham's drum solo in 'Moby Dick' (I mean, it's not really that gd or anything - every time he gets into a decent rhythm he gives up on it and tries something else - now that's pointless 'virtuosity' - but there are some v. nice tuning/detuning sounds near the end...)

― Andrew L, Monday, 29 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

three months pass...

I disagree... Zeppelin rocks ... so does Sabbath... You cant put down Zeppelin like that. Think of all the classics. Sure Sabbath's Paranoid is the best, but so is Zeppelin's Kashmir- ... (there is completely no comparison) ... it is like comparing Guns and Roses to Metallica-you cannot do it. If you were to compare anyone it should be those shitty boy bands and not the legends. You really cannot compare Zeppelin with Sabbeth so please do not think to hard...

― Meagan, Wednesday, 27 November 2002 07:05 (twenty-three years ago)

one month passes...

"How many hip-hop groups have sampled Bill Ward's drum parts? ",
said Mark Richardson.

Actually quite many. Check out Sabbath's "Behind the wall of sleep".

― Esko, Wednesday, 8 January 2003 16:06 (twenty-three years ago)

Cypress Hill sampled "The Wizard"

― dave q, Wednesday, 8 January 2003 19:40 (twenty-three years ago)

seven months pass...

Classic, but christ they're overplayed on the radio at times.

― Bryan Moore (Bryan Moore), Wednesday, 20 August 2003 17:03 (twenty-two years ago)

three months pass...

Zeppelin and Sabbath rock and I believe both were influentual in the development of the New Wave of British Heavy Metal. My faves are 'Graffiti' by Zep and I love 'Born Again' by Sabbath...must have been too many brews in the early 80's for REB I guess.

But for the person who said 'Zeppelin=Overrated' and then trotted out Creedence FFS! Sheesh!! And to hear Plant getting sledged for his vocals and then having some numbnuts raving on about the monumentally mediocre Cure PURLEASE..

The best point in this entire thread is that Zeppelin's music has stood the test of time and that what passes for rock these days will be forgotten this time next year.

Cheers,

REB

― Rik E Boy (Rik E Boy), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 02:18 (twenty-two years ago)

The People's Poet?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 02:24 (twenty-two years ago)

four weeks pass...

Has How the West Was Won changed any minds?

― Mark (MarkR), Wednesday, 31 December 2003 18:53 (twenty-two years ago)

Probably the best rock band ever. A middle-schooler without a Led Zeppelin phase is a sad middle-schooler indeed. Buy an 8-year-old Zeppelin's one through four and they'll be rock fans for life.

― Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Wednesday, 31 December 2003 21:23 (twenty-two years ago)

Um, I was (and am) a huge Led Zep fan, but I only listen to like five rock bands (one being LZ!).

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 31 December 2003 21:25 (twenty-two years ago)

(I think they might have been my gateway to James Brown!)

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 31 December 2003 21:25 (twenty-two years ago)

from Mr. Ewing's Zep blurb:

this implicit progression was symbolised by the band's unwillingness to let their rip-offs go credited to the original writers

Led Zeppelin's blues songs are NOT ripoffs and they DID NOT steal them!! They don't sound ANYTHING like the originals. Have you ever heard "When the Levee Breaks" by Memphis Minnee? Or "In My Time of Dying" by Bob Dylan?? Ever notice that they sound absolutely NOTHING like Zep's versions??? I really hate it when rock critics say this to somehow degrade Zep's music. It was pretty much the reason why Rolling Stone hated Zep so much. As if that IN ANY WAY has anything to do with how Zep's records sound!!

― Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Wednesday, 31 December 2003 21:35 (twenty-two years ago)

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Some good guitar face at about 4:30 there.

― Kim Kimberly, Thursday, 7 August 2025 03:39 (seven months ago)

lmao that Levee Breaks sounds like a parody shreds video

― Tracer Hand, Thursday, 7 August 2025 10:57 (seven months ago)

Speaking of Knebworth, they also tore up “Achilles Last Stand” while Jimmy lost his body weight in sweat. 📹

Skeletor plays greatest hits

― calstars, Thursday, 7 August 2025 14:22 (seven months ago)

xpost Oh I dig what Young, Page, Jones, and Bonham are doing---also Plant's goofiness---and even if the whole thing seems like parody, it's still entertaining, maybe more entertaining (accidental comedy can seem like the best kind).

― dow, Thursday, 7 August 2025 17:20 (seven months ago)

So cringe

― calstars, Thursday, 7 August 2025 17:37 (seven months ago)

Their performance of "Sick Again" from that night is p good:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y711e3dFnb8

― bookmarkflaglink (Darin), Thursday, 7 August 2025 18:41 (seven months ago)

Why is page drenched with sweat? Nobody else is sweatin', and I see steam coming out of Plant's mouth at points, indicating the air was cold.

― beard papa, Saturday, 9 August 2025 05:37 (seven months ago)

because satan

― mookieproof, Saturday, 9 August 2025 05:40 (seven months ago)

Because

@ruggie.74
1 month ago
"Jimmy, how are you going to play a recording that has 10+ guitar tracks live?"
"Yes."

― Kim Kimberly, Saturday, 9 August 2025 06:11 (seven months ago)

like i said

― mookieproof, Saturday, 9 August 2025 06:12 (seven months ago)

Actually it kinda looks more like he's poured water over himself rather than sweat.

― Kim Kimberly, Saturday, 9 August 2025 06:13 (seven months ago)

Because sick again

― Hideous Lump, Saturday, 9 August 2025 06:42 (seven months ago)

Heroin.

― Corny Capitalism (Tom D.), Saturday, 9 August 2025 10:56 (seven months ago)

one month passes...

it haunts me what i said on this thread and i am really, truly sorry.

― she freaks, she speaks (map), Saturday, 13 September 2025 01:37 (six months ago)

the real japanese jimmy page is youtube legend jun626 who devoted fans download and repost his content because he's been taken down so many times:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwIY46vuENQ

― imperial frfr (Steve Shasta), Saturday, 13 September 2025 01:43 (six months ago)

note for note copies, replicating even the bum notes and misses.

― imperial frfr (Steve Shasta), Saturday, 13 September 2025 01:45 (six months ago)

tho that might be the ultimate compliment that your playing is so spot on that the copyright algos strike you.

― imperial frfr (Steve Shasta), Saturday, 13 September 2025 01:52 (six months ago)

https://i.imgur.com/S4FINbr.jpeg

― Tracer Hand, Sunday, 21 September 2025 18:28 (five months ago)

Diyarbakır is the largest Kurdish-majority city in Turkey.[3]

― Kim Kimberly, Sunday, 21 September 2025 18:40 (five months ago)

And the largest restaurant on Green Lanes in London!

― Tracer Hand, Sunday, 21 September 2025 18:46 (five months ago)

i haven't even leavened here yet!

― budo jeru, Sunday, 21 September 2025 21:12 (five months ago)

*her

fuck nothing like a typo to ruin your joke

― budo jeru, Sunday, 21 September 2025 21:13 (five months ago)

it haunts me what i said on this thread and i am really, truly sorry.
― she freaks, she speaks (map)

Went back to see what this was all about, and this caught my eye: "i've posted here for a long, long time. you'd think i would have earned some trust and some benefit of the doubt by now. but there really are people who are just waiting for you to say something that they get to call you 'shitty' about."

Find it interesting that, having gone through this, you were quite happy to jump all over me for posting this about Alanis Morrissette a short while back: "I wrote two pieces back then, one for publication and one for my homepage, pointing out the various things I found silly about Alanis Morrissette. With humour and not maliciously, I think, but who knows--I think either one of them would get me run out of town today." Seems to me relatively mild compared to what caused the fuss here, and, ditto, like this had anything at all to do with the many, many female artists I love.

― clemenza, Monday, 22 September 2025 03:14 (five months ago)

FP, no notes

― sleeve, Monday, 22 September 2025 03:53 (five months ago)

never a dull moment here on the led zeppelin thread

― budo jeru, Monday, 22 September 2025 15:20 (five months ago)

four months pass...

wow

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMhiub0h33E

― ILX is like synthpop Kerrang (sleeve), Thursday, 12 February 2026 00:47 (one month ago)

“Please sit down!”

― punchy wunchy wikipedia woo (bendy), Thursday, 12 February 2026 11:29 (one month ago)

yeah, what was that about? and who was it who was negotiating with the Dutch guy over the suitcase of money??

― congragulations (stevie), Thursday, 12 February 2026 11:39 (one month ago)

That's Richard Cole the tour manager.

The Dutch guy says they have a full house of over 10,000 people which seems suspect to me, it doesn't look anything like that many from the crowd shots. It's a college venue not an arena.

― bored by endless ecstasy (anagram), Thursday, 12 February 2026 11:49 (one month ago)

I guess - but I remember being onstage when King Gizz played Ally Pally a few years back, which iirc has a 10,000 capacity, and looking out from the stage was similar to the shots of the audience here.

but yeah, seems incredibly unlikely to have a 10k capacity.

Cole seems every bit as shady as everything I've ever learned about him would suggest.

― congragulations (stevie), Thursday, 12 February 2026 12:17 (one month ago)

Cole just oozes malevolence, wow

― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 12 February 2026 12:43 (one month ago)

A notorious scumbag.

― The Olde, Old, Very Olde Man. (Tom D.), Thursday, 12 February 2026 12:50 (one month ago)

The Dutch guy says they have a full house of over 10,000 people which seems suspect to me, it doesn't look anything like that many from the crowd shots. It's a college venue not an arena.

They played at RAI Amsterdam (an exhibition/conference centre), which has a 10.000+ capacity.
Love the pragmatic announcement: "There will be no break and the concert will last two to two and a half hours" *crowd cheers*

― willem, Thursday, 12 February 2026 13:54 (one month ago)

I assume Cole doesn't want the promoter telling how much money is in the suitcase on camera because then the fellas would realise later he'd taken half the money!

― Tracer Hand, Thursday, 12 February 2026 14:04 (one month ago)

The Dutch guy says they have a full house of over 10,000 people which seems suspect to me, it doesn't look anything like that many from the crowd shots. It's a college venue not an arena.

it's also super packed general admission from the looks for it, not theater seats.

old pictures/video of 70s GA really gives me the heebie jeebies, i'm pretty claustrophobic then you think about the Who Cincinnati tragedy

― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 12 February 2026 16:46 (one month ago)

Whilst tour manager for Led Zeppelin, Cole developed substance abuse problems. He was fired from his position as road manager for Led Zeppelin's final concert tour of Europe in 1980 because Peter Grant was concerned about his drug and alcohol abuse,[9] and was replaced by Phil Carlo. Sent to Italy to detox, Cole was mistaken for a terrorist involved in the 1980 Bologna railway station bombing and was temporarily imprisoned.[10]

― Cattedrale metropolitana di Santa Maria de Episcopio, Thursday, 12 February 2026 17:21 (one month ago)

Whilst tour manager for Led Zeppelin, Cole developed substance abuse problems.

who would have thought etc

― ILX is like synthpop Kerrang (sleeve), Thursday, 12 February 2026 17:29 (one month ago)

Whilst tour manager for water, Cole developed dampness problems.

― congragulations (stevie), Thursday, 12 February 2026 17:55 (one month ago)

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