― David, Friday, 29 September 2000 00:00 (twenty-five years ago)
The ironic thing, I've just realised, is that my reaction to Led Zep *is* pretty much 'instinctual' - as I said to Fred in chat a few days ago, the difference is that I'm basically more of a punk than him. So I like Motorhead, he likes Zep, and both of us look around for rationalisations as to why the other one is less rockin'. Having grown up on the British music press and their horror of anything approaching prog or dinosaur rock, my gut instinct is to mistrust the virtuosity and bombast of the Zep: so my negative judgement is based on that 'unthinking' reaction.
Of course, I *could* think myself into liking some of their stuff, but as Fred says, that's hardly the point...
― Tom, Friday, 29 September 2000 00:00 (twenty-five years ago)
Busta Rhymes - 'This Means War' samples 'Iron Man'
Cypress Hill - 'I Ain't Goin' Out Like That' samples 'The Wizard'
And I'm sure that 'Behind the Wall of Sleep' has been used on a record too, Okay it's not quite 'When the Levee Breaks' but it's still got a fucking good, if loose, groove
― Chewshabadoo, Friday, 29 September 2000 00:00 (twenty-five years ago)
Who has more original, harder, stranger, colder, more bombastic riffs than Zep?
That said: Stairway to Heaven may be Zep's pop masterpiece, but pop isn't what I want out of a hard band. I've seen them twice but after the first album, they could only play arrangements of their multitracked recordings. If Zeps extraordinary arrangements bear any responsibility for the over-produced so-called power ballads that came after, I curse them. Finally, Jimmy played the coldest blues based solos ever - his solos bother me every time I hear them but, maybe that's a good thing.
― TK, Friday, 29 September 2000 00:00 (twenty-five years ago)
as for zeppelin, to paraphrase cole gagne on branca, it does not matter what anyone thinks about them any more than it matters what anyone thinks of the sun. they were my ecstasy and education from ages 10-14 or so. i can't stand them most of the time now, after punk happened long ago for me but there are always precious moments when i can listen and get into it again. the reasons for loving them and hating them are both equally obvious and *don't matter*. zeppelin simply are.
curiously neglected so far:
i) the obvious vulnerable and androgynous qualities of robert plant's voice and persona. *this* is one item that separates them from standard macho beer-drinking rock and makes them valuable to misfit teen boys (god knows none of the *jocks* were listening to them in my gr 8 class).
ii) the tolkien's not there to make the fans feel smug and intellectual. fuck, when do most people read tolkien? gr 6? gr 7? it's there because, along with the music, zeppelin really aimed to create a fantasy-world and to achieve an otherworldly experience. item number two.
listening to just the cure all the time though. gah.
― sundar subramanian, Friday, 29 September 2000 00:00 (twenty-five years ago)
― sundar subramanian, Saturday, 30 September 2000 00:00 (twenty-five years ago)
― Josh, Sunday, 1 October 2000 00:00 (twenty-five years ago)
― sundar subramanian, Monday, 2 October 2000 00:00 (twenty-five years ago)
The best Zep, though, were "Physical Graffiti" and "Presence." The first LP of the former is the best funk record ever recorded (better even that Parliament/Funkadelic). The second is just great.
― Tadeusz Suchodolski, Thursday, 5 October 2000 00:00 (twenty-five years ago)
Kris.
― Kris P. Ozzfest Rainout, Thursday, 5 October 2000 00:00 (twenty-five years ago)
― f.ccccc, Wednesday, 29 November 2000 01:00 (twenty-five years ago)
― Omar Munoz, Wednesday, 3 January 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)
― swastikas forever, Thursday, 25 January 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)
― Jack Redelfs, Wednesday, 21 February 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)
― Jeff J., Monday, 26 March 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)
― ray charles, Tuesday, 27 March 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)
― LZ, Saturday, 23 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)
Fuck you all
― Milton Robertson, Thursday, 28 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)
― Fred's gay, Thursday, 28 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)
― Nicole, Thursday, 28 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)
Later bands would imitate the screamin and screaching guitars; however, the rythm sectio could not be duplicated. Furthermore, the sound of led zeppelin was a result of a combination of many influencs,including indian classical and celtic. Later bands' sound was a result of musical interests within the band that were limited in genre.
All of the musicians in the band are of the highest quality. JImmy Page ranks as one of the best guitarists ever, and the rythm section of John Paul Jones an John Bonham is unrivaled. The songwritig duo of Page and Plant was also one of the best ever.
Contrary to the beliefs of some people who have posted, Led zeppelin set records for sales of tickets and albums. Their live performances shattered tickt sales records, due to elongated versions of songs such as moby dick, which is also an example of Bonham's amazing talent. They are also right behind the beatles in total record sales. HOwever, the beatles had 21 albums, where zep only had 10.
Now could somebody clarify how zeppelin isn't good, because i just don't see it.
― jim, Saturday, 30 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)
― Rajesh Naik, Friday, 6 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)
― Tracer Hand, Friday, 6 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)
― Richard Tunnicliffe, Friday, 6 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)
― muppet monkey, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)
I like Plant's voice.
― mark s, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)
But the stuff I think I most enjoy from them are when they were just plain goofy and/or eccentric. I'm thinking "Boogie with Stu", "Hats Off (to Roy Harper)", "The Crunge", "Hot Dog", etc
Can't think of too many weak moments from Zep, actually...
― Joe, Wednesday, 25 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)
I can understand those who don't like them becasue of the Prog/Dinosaur overtones, but simply noting that they were in that field would negate the accusations of them bieng anti-intellectual and lacking skill.
Sure, some of their songs are *fairly* simple, but on the whole, they almost always managed to do something unexpected or quirky within the context of Loud Blues.
They're one of the few Rawk bands I can stand, because there's always something ungraspable about how they came to what they ended up doing. To me, if you can figure out how a band got to their end product (and could replicate it yourself), why bother listening to it?
― CountV/John T, Friday, 27 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)
Zeppelin's music, if you listen to it, was exstremly inventive and layered. Led Zeppelins actually musical influence can actually be felt most from everyone from Prince to REM to Jane's Addiction to Smashing Pumpkins. Not lame hair metal, lol. On the other hand all Black Sabbath ever influenced was moronic crap like death metal, or black metal and a bunch of low IQed, beer swilling "metal heads" with a mentality to "break stuff" and worship the devil. Please.
Also the comments about Led Zeppelin not being intellectual are ignorant in my opinion. Is Mozart not intellectual? He certainly did not have many lyrics about war or polotics did he? What was intellectual about Zeppelin was there musical ability. The world was filled with tons of good and lame bands that where "politcally consious", i think they where and still are a breath of fresh air. I like some Punk rock, but if you are that non-ecclectic as to be turned off to great musicans because of some silly ideal or scene (like punk) then your a idiot.
― Robert, Friday, 21 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)
So, did Sabbath influence Iron Maiden or Judas Priest? Probably, but not in the way they might have liked. There may be a reason Maiden - a band that does few covers - did one of Whole Lotta Love, but never a single Sabbath tune.
― Jack Torrance, Thursday, 4 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)
― J Corabi, Friday, 12 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)
Ron
― Ron Murray, Friday, 7 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
So they influenced R. Kelly, too!
― Dan Perry, Friday, 7 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― dleone, Friday, 7 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― chaki, Friday, 7 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― Ben Williams, Friday, 7 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― mark s, Saturday, 8 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
Anyband with Bonham at the back was on to a winner (unless it was Bonham's own band) and Page and Plant ain't so bad either. Actually, I recall Ian Anderson of Jethro Tull fame telling Melody Maker back in the day that with his lyrics and Zep's music they "could have made quite a good little rock and roll band." Ha ha ha ha ha.. sorry, I laugh my ass off everytime I hear that.
Gimme Physical Graffiti everytime. I think it's actually too good, if that's possible, which it isn't, but it feels like it is when I listen to that album. Does anyone else know what I (don't) mean?
― Roger Fascist, Monday, 29 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― Andrew L, Monday, 29 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― Meagan, Wednesday, 27 November 2002 07:05 (twenty-three years ago)
Actually quite many. Check out Sabbath's "Behind the wall of sleep".
― Esko, Wednesday, 8 January 2003 16:06 (twenty-two years ago)
― dave q, Wednesday, 8 January 2003 19:40 (twenty-two years ago)
― Bryan Moore (Bryan Moore), Wednesday, 20 August 2003 17:03 (twenty-two years ago)
But for the person who said 'Zeppelin=Overrated' and then trotted out Creedence FFS! Sheesh!! And to hear Plant getting sledged for his vocals and then having some numbnuts raving on about the monumentally mediocre Cure PURLEASE..
The best point in this entire thread is that Zeppelin's music has stood the test of time and that what passes for rock these days will be forgotten this time next year.
Cheers,
REB
― Rik E Boy (Rik E Boy), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 02:18 (twenty-two years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 02:24 (twenty-two years ago)
― Mark (MarkR), Wednesday, 31 December 2003 18:53 (twenty-one years ago)
― Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Wednesday, 31 December 2003 21:23 (twenty-one years ago)
― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 31 December 2003 21:25 (twenty-one years ago)
this implicit progression was symbolised by the band's unwillingness to let their rip-offs go credited to the original writers
Led Zeppelin's blues songs are NOT ripoffs and they DID NOT steal them!! They don't sound ANYTHING like the originals. Have you ever heard "When the Levee Breaks" by Memphis Minnee? Or "In My Time of Dying" by Bob Dylan?? Ever notice that they sound absolutely NOTHING like Zep's versions??? I really hate it when rock critics say this to somehow degrade Zep's music. It was pretty much the reason why Rolling Stone hated Zep so much. As if that IN ANY WAY has anything to do with how Zep's records sound!!
― Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Wednesday, 31 December 2003 21:35 (twenty-one years ago)
weirdly linked, but it works.
― dow, Wednesday, 6 August 2025 22:30 (four months ago)
Whole Lotta URL
― calstars, Wednesday, 6 August 2025 22:51 (four months ago)
clicked it and now I seem to be on the blockchain. help.
― Proust Ian Rush (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Wednesday, 6 August 2025 22:56 (four months ago)
yeah i clicked it and it added a bookmark to this thread - weird.
guys after taking a moment, i need to say: that post was shitty and racist, you're right, and i'm sorry.
― five six seven, eight nine ten, begin (map), Wednesday, 6 August 2025 23:02 (four months ago)
reactions totally understandable. and jon, i owe you an apology too.
― five six seven, eight nine ten, begin (map), Wednesday, 6 August 2025 23:04 (four months ago)
NFT Though The Out Door
― Lithium Just Madison (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 6 August 2025 23:15 (four months ago)
Over the Hills and 56k
― calstars, Wednesday, 6 August 2025 23:16 (four months ago)
Sorry! That youtube post was credited to Rock n Roll Hall of Fame, so thought it would be okay, but Google AI and Firefox complicated it---this seems clean, just tested it:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyS_qgA-1Mg
― dow, Thursday, 7 August 2025 00:20 (four months ago)
Lol, that is highly entertaining. I've never seen Plant play guitar! Did Neil not have the heart to tell them he didn't write For What It's Worth?
― il lavoro mi rovina la giornata (PBKR), Thursday, 7 August 2025 01:32 (four months ago)
"Damn son! Where'd ya find this?!"
― BrianB, Thursday, 7 August 2025 01:54 (four months ago)
...is hilarious meta marketing for Rock jams. I would've rather heard Neil sing than Robert play tho
― BrianB, Thursday, 7 August 2025 01:56 (four months ago)
Speaking of Knebworth, they also tore up “Achilles Last Stand” while Jimmy lost his body weight in sweat. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXScsqcdMOA
― dinnerboat, Thursday, 7 August 2025 03:31 (four months ago)
Some good guitar face at about 4:30 there.
― Kim Kimberly, Thursday, 7 August 2025 03:39 (four months ago)
lmao that Levee Breaks sounds like a parody shreds video
― Tracer Hand, Thursday, 7 August 2025 10:57 (four months ago)
Speaking of Knebworth, they also tore up “Achilles Last Stand” while Jimmy lost his body weight in sweat. 📹
― calstars, Thursday, 7 August 2025 14:22 (four months ago)
xpost Oh I dig what Young, Page, Jones, and Bonham are doing---also Plant's goofiness---and even if the whole thing seems like parody, it's still entertaining, maybe more entertaining (accidental comedy can seem like the best kind).
― dow, Thursday, 7 August 2025 17:20 (four months ago)
So cringe
― calstars, Thursday, 7 August 2025 17:37 (four months ago)
Their performance of "Sick Again" from that night is p good:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y711e3dFnb8
― bookmarkflaglink (Darin), Thursday, 7 August 2025 18:41 (four months ago)
Why is page drenched with sweat? Nobody else is sweatin', and I see steam coming out of Plant's mouth at points, indicating the air was cold.
― beard papa, Saturday, 9 August 2025 05:37 (four months ago)
because satan
― mookieproof, Saturday, 9 August 2025 05:40 (four months ago)
Because
@ruggie.741 month ago"Jimmy, how are you going to play a recording that has 10+ guitar tracks live?""Yes."
― Kim Kimberly, Saturday, 9 August 2025 06:11 (four months ago)
like i said
― mookieproof, Saturday, 9 August 2025 06:12 (four months ago)
Actually it kinda looks more like he's poured water over himself rather than sweat.
― Kim Kimberly, Saturday, 9 August 2025 06:13 (four months ago)
Because sick again
― Hideous Lump, Saturday, 9 August 2025 06:42 (four months ago)
Heroin.
― Corny Capitalism (Tom D.), Saturday, 9 August 2025 10:56 (four months ago)
it haunts me what i said on this thread and i am really, truly sorry.
― she freaks, she speaks (map), Saturday, 13 September 2025 01:37 (three months ago)
the real japanese jimmy page is youtube legend jun626 who devoted fans download and repost his content because he's been taken down so many times:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwIY46vuENQ
― imperial frfr (Steve Shasta), Saturday, 13 September 2025 01:43 (three months ago)
note for note copies, replicating even the bum notes and misses.
― imperial frfr (Steve Shasta), Saturday, 13 September 2025 01:45 (three months ago)
tho that might be the ultimate compliment that your playing is so spot on that the copyright algos strike you.
― imperial frfr (Steve Shasta), Saturday, 13 September 2025 01:52 (three months ago)
https://i.imgur.com/S4FINbr.jpeg
― Tracer Hand, Sunday, 21 September 2025 18:28 (two months ago)
Diyarbakır is the largest Kurdish-majority city in Turkey.[3]
― Kim Kimberly, Sunday, 21 September 2025 18:40 (two months ago)
And the largest restaurant on Green Lanes in London!
― Tracer Hand, Sunday, 21 September 2025 18:46 (two months ago)
i haven't even leavened here yet!
― budo jeru, Sunday, 21 September 2025 21:12 (two months ago)
*her
fuck nothing like a typo to ruin your joke
― budo jeru, Sunday, 21 September 2025 21:13 (two months ago)
it haunts me what i said on this thread and i am really, truly sorry.― she freaks, she speaks (map)
Went back to see what this was all about, and this caught my eye: "i've posted here for a long, long time. you'd think i would have earned some trust and some benefit of the doubt by now. but there really are people who are just waiting for you to say something that they get to call you 'shitty' about."
Find it interesting that, having gone through this, you were quite happy to jump all over me for posting this about Alanis Morrissette a short while back: "I wrote two pieces back then, one for publication and one for my homepage, pointing out the various things I found silly about Alanis Morrissette. With humour and not maliciously, I think, but who knows--I think either one of them would get me run out of town today." Seems to me relatively mild compared to what caused the fuss here, and, ditto, like this had anything at all to do with the many, many female artists I love.
― clemenza, Monday, 22 September 2025 03:14 (two months ago)
FP, no notes
― sleeve, Monday, 22 September 2025 03:53 (two months ago)
never a dull moment here on the led zeppelin thread
― budo jeru, Monday, 22 September 2025 15:20 (two months ago)