― M Matos (M Matos), Monday, 3 November 2003 04:41 (twenty years ago) link
Probably yes - but I agree with Matos that this doesn't necessarily make the records better. Perhaps "Get Ur Freak On" and "Lick Shots" work as great pop records because Missy knew she wasn't a brilliant MC and realised she had to compensate for that in other ways. Like, the problem with "Pass That Dutch" is that Missy evidently thinks she's good enough to get away with releasing a first single without a chorus.
I'll also be really sad if she does abandon R&B, as I possibly prefer her in R&B mode - "Sock It 2 Me", "Sticking Chickens", "We Did It", "One Minute Man", "Play That Beat" etc. etc.
― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 3 November 2003 04:59 (twenty years ago) link
― rob geary (rgeary), Monday, 3 November 2003 05:22 (twenty years ago) link
― rob geary (rgeary), Monday, 3 November 2003 05:24 (twenty years ago) link
― William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Monday, 3 November 2003 07:01 (twenty years ago) link
I agree, but the fact that there's no chorus *and* the groove is so tuneless (I don't mean that negatively) mean that it doesn't really stick in the head the way "Work It" or "Get Ur Freak On" did.
I suspect that This Is Not A Test might be the Da Real World to Under Construction's Supa Dupa Fly.
― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 3 November 2003 07:05 (twenty years ago) link
Tim, I thought ODB's 'Welcome Home' track was kind of uninspired. An obvious rush job, nothing really notable about it. I remember being glad that he still had the delivery going, but that's about it.
g--ff, there's a difference between a rock song being loose and unrestricted and a rap song being sloppily produced. This isn't my main argument.
I'm saying, why can't artists evoke previous musics while still utilizing their own outlets? This is why I feel like Under Construction is a boring nod to the past and something like Paul's Boutique winks at it's forefathers while still remaining almost fully forward-thinking and original.
Saying "Bring The Pain" on Under Construction isn't simply a rehash is strange to me. New lyrics, yes, different mood, yes, but how is it such a forward step? What influence is this giving? As long as I have the original artist on the track, it's cool for me to take the frame of a song. Excuse me while I call Sadat X about jumping punks and beatdowns. We have a hit to make.
Your choice of sampling is just a personal preference thing anyway: I prefer El-P freaking "Mexican Radio" by Wall of Voodoo for Cannibal Ox over someone building on top of "Paul Revere", regardless of how funky it is or what nostalgia is promotes. I'm not saying such uncreativity is wholly unenjoyable, I'm saying I like other methods more.
― Rollie Pemberton (Rollie Pemberton), Monday, 3 November 2003 07:30 (twenty years ago) link
― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Monday, 3 November 2003 07:42 (twenty years ago) link
Fine, you like other methods more, but your subjective preference doesn't make El-P objectively creative and Timbaland/Missy objectively uncreative.
― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 3 November 2003 07:45 (twenty years ago) link
― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 3 November 2003 07:47 (twenty years ago) link
― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Monday, 3 November 2003 07:48 (twenty years ago) link
― geeta (geeta), Monday, 3 November 2003 08:10 (twenty years ago) link
― M Matos (M Matos), Monday, 3 November 2003 08:54 (twenty years ago) link
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 3 November 2003 08:56 (twenty years ago) link
― geeta (geeta), Monday, 3 November 2003 09:00 (twenty years ago) link
needless to say, the Sterling-Tim-Geeta front is OTM throughout this thread.
― M Matos (M Matos), Monday, 3 November 2003 09:01 (twenty years ago) link
― The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 3 November 2003 11:31 (twenty years ago) link
― M Matos (M Matos), Monday, 3 November 2003 12:10 (twenty years ago) link
*sniff*
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 3 November 2003 14:05 (twenty years ago) link
Radiohead has never been "African" in any way. But they, like all other bands, are best when they create melodies with verse and chorus, not just a phrase or two that are repeated endlessly. Repetition and minimalism always bores the listener.
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 3 November 2003 14:24 (twenty years ago) link
Geir, this is really, really, really untrue if the listener is me. Thus, it is untrue.
― scott seward, Monday, 3 November 2003 14:48 (twenty years ago) link
― mitch lastnamewithheld (mitchlnw), Monday, 3 November 2003 14:55 (twenty years ago) link
― scott seward, Monday, 3 November 2003 14:59 (twenty years ago) link
i'm really stumbling tho with the 'with you in that dress/my thoughts i confess/verge on dirty' bit
― geeta (geeta), Monday, 3 November 2003 15:01 (twenty years ago) link
― pitchfork, Monday, 3 November 2003 16:31 (twenty years ago) link
― Haikunym (Haikunym), Monday, 3 November 2003 16:35 (twenty years ago) link
Miles Davis & Beethoven both strongly disagree with this statement.
― nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 3 November 2003 16:41 (twenty years ago) link
Dorinne Muraille Mani (Fat Cat)The Books The Lemon of Pink (Tomlab)Matmos The Civil War (Matador)Nathan Michel Dear Bicycle (Tigerbeat 6)Colleen Everyone alive wants answers (Leaf)Gal Hinaus:: In den, Wald. (CD-R / radio))Lullatone Computer Recital (Audio Dregs)Anne Laplantine Hambourg Robert Wyatt Cuckooland (Hannibal)David Sylvian Blemish (Samadhisound)
― Momus (Momus), Monday, 3 November 2003 17:05 (twenty years ago) link
Can someone please tell me some more about this band? The internet doesn't know shit, but "Motherless Bastard" (I think it's called) is fab.
― CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Monday, 3 November 2003 17:32 (twenty years ago) link
― DJ Martian (djmartian), Monday, 3 November 2003 17:34 (twenty years ago) link
― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 3 November 2003 17:41 (twenty years ago) link
― CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Monday, 3 November 2003 17:47 (twenty years ago) link
― mark p (Mark P), Monday, 3 November 2003 17:55 (twenty years ago) link
― Momus (Momus), Monday, 3 November 2003 18:08 (twenty years ago) link
― mark p (Mark P), Monday, 3 November 2003 18:09 (twenty years ago) link
― mark p (Mark P), Monday, 3 November 2003 18:10 (twenty years ago) link
― Momus (Momus), Monday, 3 November 2003 18:18 (twenty years ago) link
― mark p (Mark P), Monday, 3 November 2003 18:22 (twenty years ago) link
thread hijack>
― mark p (Mark P), Monday, 3 November 2003 18:23 (twenty years ago) link