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i.e. your opinion is thoroughly informed by unspoken assumptions as to what constitutes "creativity" that you need to interrogate. Creativity is one of the trickiest concepts to pin down that I can think of; you fling it about as if you've got a reference book that measures out creativity for all musical acts past and present. So your subjective position is false.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 3 November 2003 07:47 (twenty years ago) link

rollie you unfortunately buy into the idea of "progress" in music and also of GIVING influence. which is i guss a logical extension of the idea of influence at all, hence mark's quip that if it does exist it must run backwards in time!

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Monday, 3 November 2003 07:48 (twenty years ago) link

I agree with Tim (no surprise there!) Creativity seems to be equal to you liking it, which boils down to personal taste. Which kinda reminds me of that awful Prend3rgast book, in which he christened all the music he ever liked as 'ambient'.

― geeta (geeta), Monday, 3 November 2003 08:10 (twenty years ago) link

oh God Geeta you didn't read that Pendergrast book did you? (I didn't because Douglas's review was so convincingly horrible)

― M Matos (M Matos), Monday, 3 November 2003 08:54 (twenty years ago) link

I've seen it second hand and I want to pick it up but I keep thinking of mark s' review of it in the wire. The one time where I have read a piece of his and thought that he was actually angry.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 3 November 2003 08:56 (twenty years ago) link

haha Matos I skimmed it but never read it closely (thank god). The only good thing to ever come out of that horrible book were the brilliantly scathing reviews of it by douglas and mark

― geeta (geeta), Monday, 3 November 2003 09:00 (twenty years ago) link

didn't see Mark's! you must send me a link sometime.

needless to say, the Sterling-Tim-Geeta front is OTM throughout this thread.

― M Matos (M Matos), Monday, 3 November 2003 09:01 (twenty years ago) link

Tim and Geeta have said and will probably continue to say all of my views on this matter...

― The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 3 November 2003 11:31 (twenty years ago) link

well, somebody's gotta like fun around here, might as well be them

― M Matos (M Matos), Monday, 3 November 2003 12:10 (twenty years ago) link

radical subjectivism is the last refuge of the scoundrel.

*sniff*

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 3 November 2003 14:05 (twenty years ago) link

Cuz it's the 'least African', right?

Radiohead has never been "African" in any way. But they, like all other bands, are best when they create melodies with verse and chorus, not just a phrase or two that are repeated endlessly. Repetition and minimalism always bores the listener.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 3 November 2003 14:24 (twenty years ago) link

Repetition and minimalism always bores the listener.

Geir, this is really, really, really untrue if the listener is me.
Thus, it is untrue.

― scott seward, Monday, 3 November 2003 14:48 (twenty years ago) link

geir, yr posts need more chorus

― mitch lastnamewithheld (mitchlnw), Monday, 3 November 2003 14:55 (twenty years ago) link

they certainly have enough repetition!

― scott seward, Monday, 3 November 2003 14:59 (twenty years ago) link

i'm halfway thru a version of 'come on eileen' with lyrics abt geir instead

i'm really stumbling tho with the 'with you in that dress/my thoughts i confess/verge on dirty' bit

― geeta (geeta), Monday, 3 November 2003 15:01 (twenty years ago) link

WTF

― pitchfork, Monday, 3 November 2003 16:31 (twenty years ago) link

hahaha that rules.
oh man this post sucks, damn it.
no it doesn't. yes.

― Haikunym (Haikunym), Monday, 3 November 2003 16:35 (twenty years ago) link

Repetition and minimalism always bores the listener.

Miles Davis & Beethoven both strongly disagree with this statement.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 3 November 2003 16:41 (twenty years ago) link

These will be in my end of year poll submission to any magazine that asks me:

Dorinne Muraille Mani (Fat Cat)
The Books The Lemon of Pink (Tomlab)
Matmos The Civil War (Matador)
Nathan Michel Dear Bicycle (Tigerbeat 6)
Colleen Everyone alive wants answers (Leaf)
Gal Hinaus:: In den, Wald. (CD-R / radio))
Lullatone Computer Recital (Audio Dregs)
Anne Laplantine Hambourg
Robert Wyatt Cuckooland (Hannibal)
David Sylvian Blemish (Samadhisound)

― Momus (Momus), Monday, 3 November 2003 17:05 (twenty years ago) link

The Books The Lemon of Pink (Tomlab)

Can someone please tell me some more about this band? The internet doesn't know shit, but "Motherless Bastard" (I think it's called) is fab.

― CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Monday, 3 November 2003 17:32 (twenty years ago) link

see Boomkat review >>> The Books - The Lemon of Pink
http://www.boomkat.com/item.cfm?merchID=11926

― DJ Martian (djmartian), Monday, 3 November 2003 17:34 (twenty years ago) link

Also, Mark R. has written reviews on Pfork of both their albums, and his enthusiasm was what led me to seek them out.

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 3 November 2003 17:41 (twenty years ago) link

Christ, they sound like the best band in the world. And "chamberclick" is my new favourite genre!

― CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Monday, 3 November 2003 17:47 (twenty years ago) link

momus have you heard the mileece album? i find people who dig the colleen record are generally into that one too

― mark p (Mark P), Monday, 3 November 2003 17:55 (twenty years ago) link

No I haven't, will track it down, sounds interesting, thanks for the tip.

― Momus (Momus), Monday, 3 November 2003 18:08 (twenty years ago) link

http://www.absorb.org/articles/mileece/

― mark p (Mark P), Monday, 3 November 2003 18:09 (twenty years ago) link

not at all sampled-oriented (like the colleen record) but still beautiful stuff

― mark p (Mark P), Monday, 3 November 2003 18:10 (twenty years ago) link

Hmm, slightly disappointed by the clips here. I must say. It's not a fresh enough sound, rather generic electronica, even FSOL-lifeforms-like. Rather 90s. I was hoping there'd be some acoustic instruments mixed in, something like Mamoru Fujieda's 'Patterns of Plants'.

― Momus (Momus), Monday, 3 November 2003 18:18 (twenty years ago) link

fair enough. there's nothing at all acoustic about formations. i guess leaf does that kind of thing best in the end..

― mark p (Mark P), Monday, 3 November 2003 18:22 (twenty years ago) link

which reminds me: i havent listened to murcof in ages!

― mark p (Mark P), Monday, 3 November 2003 18:23 (twenty years ago) link

(/thread hijack)

― mark p (Mark P), Monday, 3 November 2003 18:23 (twenty years ago) link

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