The Associates: Have the years been kind?

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I like how the Double Hipness version of 18 Carat Love Affair answers the age-old question, what if the Associates were actually Orange Juice or Haircut 100, but from america in the 50s.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Friday, 9 June 2006 18:46 (eighteen years ago) link

Well, I won't sell 'em... Hopefully I'll learn to like 'em more. For now though they're at the bottom of the stack...

js (honestengine), Friday, 9 June 2006 21:55 (eighteen years ago) link

This revive inspired me to order (finally!) the Fourth Drawer Down reissue. Just thought I'd share. : )

David Bachyrycz (David Bachyrycz), Friday, 9 June 2006 22:06 (eighteen years ago) link

fantastic. heart stuutering life yessing swoooooningly fantastic.

alicer (alicereed), Saturday, 10 June 2006 10:06 (eighteen years ago) link

have there been any plans to reissue Outernational? haven't seen it on eBay, haven't seen it on S1sk, &c&c&c - w/Thomas Fehlmann's involvement I thought it'd be more readily available than it currently appears to be . . .

etc (esskay), Monday, 12 June 2006 03:36 (eighteen years ago) link

Last year there were a series of firm, on the level announcements from the Mackenzie estate that both that and Wild and Lonely were going to get the full-on treatment, to bring them in line with all the other reissues. Supposedly they were going to be due by the end of 2005. But then no word surfaced, and the situation remains unchanged.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 12 June 2006 03:42 (eighteen years ago) link

...and what do you know! Just posted on the Associates list today from Jude from the estate -- release date for both Wild and Outernational will be August 7. No word yet as to whether this will be a double CD package like Glamour/Perhaps.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 15 June 2006 17:45 (eighteen years ago) link

ooooer! thanks, ned!
(also: di/lucylurex to thread!)

etc (esskay), Thursday, 15 June 2006 20:50 (eighteen years ago) link

God I love this band. Billy M was an uber singer... 4th draw down especially is a lost treasure of post-punk kraut-glam wonders. Rapturous and ecstatic and dark in all the right places- it is grotesque the kinds of new romantic non-entities who triumphed whilst their own anti-careerist attitudes acted to undermine any possible success...

gekoppel (Gekoppel), Thursday, 15 June 2006 20:58 (eighteen years ago) link

The first two albums are wonderful, but frustrating. I wish there'd been space for one more album between Fourth Drawer Down and Sulk that would've been a coherent, streamlined summation of "everything before Sulk." As it stands, they have two albums with great ideas, and then one amazing album with a nearly-unrelated set of great ideas.

I haven't heard anything after Sulk, though Waiting For The Love Boat is alright. I think. I can't really remember it very well, to be honest. Should I look into it?

Atnevon (Atnevon), Friday, 16 June 2006 04:23 (eighteen years ago) link

Notice teh FOPP is currently selling double packs of "Fourth Drawer Down" and "Sulk" for £5

Il mio nome e' Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 16 June 2006 08:07 (eighteen years ago) link

Good lord, anyone who doesn't take advantage of that deal is insane.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 16 June 2006 11:15 (eighteen years ago) link

More YouTubeness:

"Skipping" from that Friday Night Saturday Morning show

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 17 June 2006 04:51 (eighteen years ago) link

In a 'I completely missed this' move on my part, turns out I had somehow blanked out on the various mentions in interviews at the time from Robert Smith that the Cure's "Cut Here" from 2001 is in fact a full-on tribute to Billy M. More details here -- and here's the video, which I admit I'd never caught before either! So much for pretending I'm a Cure obsessive!

The Creatures did a similar tribute with "Say" -- and knowing Siouxsie, she probably complained about how Robert ripped her off again. ;-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 18 June 2006 13:39 (eighteen years ago) link

Meantime, here's more from Jude about the reissues:

We owe a debt of gratitude to Nigel Reeve at EMI (who, as it turns
out, also looks after Bowie's reissues), who, once he'd made his mind
up to go with the reissues, spared no expense and cut no corners.
Remastered on the very Abbey Road desk that was built by Mike
Batchelor for the original "Dark Side of the Moon" sessions... it was
quite an experience... No one was in this for anything other than
love. Becky, who has done the artwork "remastering" even dug out some
old Associates magazine articles that she'd kept since the early 80s,
proving that she was anything but a mere hired hand.

For myself, the real triumph is that I honestly believe that the
original CD masters never even came close to reproducing the sound of
the mix tapes, basically meaning that other than Billy, Julian
Mendelson, and very few others (probably including Blair), none of us
were actually hearing these albums in their full glory. This has now
been rectified with bells on.

It is unlikely that any of Billy's work will ever be reissued in any
physical format ever again, the future of music archiving is almost
certainly downloading. This made it all the more important to get
these albums out there in the sound quality that will henceforth
always be available in. Anything less would have been less than they
deserve.

I've said it before, but I cannot wait for you guys to hear Wild &
Lonely. At the moment you only think you know it. It'll knock your
socks off... I'm getting goosebumps just thinking about it...

Thank you all. Again.

Jude

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 18 June 2006 13:44 (eighteen years ago) link

Cheers to Billy Dods for this:

TOTP performance of "Club Country"

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 22 June 2006 01:01 (eighteen years ago) link

At last. :-)

Meantime, I finally picked up Holger Hiller's Oben Im Eck, which I know Momus praised as containing Billy M.'s best thing ever, "Whippets," IIRC (though I can't seem to find the comment on this thread). It really *is* something bizarrely wonderful, and for the first time the idea of him as a proto-Bjork makes total sense in terms of sheer 'WTF.' And the fact that he named it after/wrote it about his 'spirit animal,' as the bio put it, makes it even better!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 7 July 2006 20:40 (eighteen years ago) link

(Though I might like the title track even more; if anything it suggests the completely gone/still perversely pretty art exhibition equivalent to his version of Die Zwei's "Country Boy." It's really a pity he and Hiller didn't do more together!)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 7 July 2006 20:44 (eighteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...
thanks for the "whippets" tip-off, ned!

also - just picked up the "club country" 12" - fuck, had no idea there was an extended version! though, just looking now, it was mentioned upthread. if if if only the latin rascals had been around!

etc (esskay), Thursday, 3 August 2006 21:54 (eighteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...
The reissues of Wild and Lonely and Outernational are both treats, though I still haven't fully come around to the former yet. Still, I'm more kindly inclined towards it than before.

Meantime another YouTube treat -- "White Car in Germany" on Dutch TV in 1982.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZI9lqh0Dwho

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 27 August 2006 15:56 (eighteen years ago) link

eight months pass...
Nice piece in today's Grauniad - now, how often do I say that?

Marcello Carlin, Friday, 27 April 2007 08:45 (seventeen years ago) link

Found a couple of useful links. The DVD looks quite something.

http://associatestracks.blogspot.com/ loads of obscure live stuff

Fan created DVD

Billy Dods, Friday, 4 May 2007 13:36 (seventeen years ago) link

'Grecian 2000' sounded amazin' on my ipod yesterday.

blueski, Friday, 4 May 2007 13:39 (seventeen years ago) link

ten months pass...

tell me easter's on friday, and i'll bend my hips

cutty, Wednesday, 19 March 2008 14:25 (sixteen years ago) link

Tell me Easter's a draaaaaaaaaaaaaaaggg!

Was thinking about Billy this morning on the way into work, especially the stuff he did with Yello.

"Give me your gooooold..."

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 19 March 2008 14:30 (sixteen years ago) link

ah, someone else was thinking of it:

http://thep5.blogspot.com/2008/03/associates-tell-me-easters-on-friday.html

cutty, Wednesday, 19 March 2008 14:40 (sixteen years ago) link

7 years, 2 months :(

DG, Wednesday, 19 March 2008 16:28 (sixteen years ago) link

Attention all -- Blair Booth, who worked with Billy for a long stretch, has put the Wild and Lonely demos tape up on eBay. He's on the Associates list and had discussed this with folks before doing it -- opinions differed but anyway:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280210968898

Ned Raggett, Friday, 21 March 2008 14:32 (sixteen years ago) link

ten months pass...

A bit of a rarity, this hadn't surfaced on YouTube yet -- "Those First Impressions" and "Waiting on the Loveboat" from 1984 on the TV show No. 73. Great stuff, of course:

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 12 February 2009 03:15 (fifteen years ago) link

They sound like the Pale Fountains or something.

burt_stanton, Thursday, 12 February 2009 03:17 (fifteen years ago) link

(in that youtube clip, at least for the first few seconds)

burt_stanton, Thursday, 12 February 2009 03:17 (fifteen years ago) link

Wait until he starts singing.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 12 February 2009 03:18 (fifteen years ago) link

Speaking of which, how come I can't find no Pale Fountains threads on this thing? Geez louise.

burt_stanton, Thursday, 12 February 2009 03:43 (fifteen years ago) link

Strange thing, but I found myself thinking about the Associates in the bath one day in 1997, not having listened to them for years. I got out, dried myself, turned on the radio and heard about billy's suicide.

Dr X O'Skeleton, Thursday, 12 February 2009 12:31 (fifteen years ago) link

So, when was "Party Fears One" released?

Mark G, Thursday, 12 February 2009 12:39 (fifteen years ago) link

i was about to revive this thread last night, weird.

cutty, Thursday, 12 February 2009 12:40 (fifteen years ago) link

i always thought it was "tell me easters adjourned"? was always one of my favourite billy lyrics that way

rio (r1o natsume), Thursday, 12 February 2009 13:29 (fifteen years ago) link

i think it is adjourned

cutty, Thursday, 12 February 2009 13:31 (fifteen years ago) link

one month passes...

i want some live associates. any top boots available on blogs or soulseek?

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Friday, 20 March 2009 18:47 (fifteen years ago) link

There is or was a page with a bunch of shows for downloading, I recall.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 20 March 2009 18:57 (fifteen years ago) link

Oh yeah, posted just upthread a bit:

http://associatestracks.blogspot.com/

Ned Raggett, Friday, 20 March 2009 18:57 (fifteen years ago) link

thanks so much Mr. Ned
you just made my day

turtles all the way down (Face of Wolf), Friday, 20 March 2009 21:21 (fifteen years ago) link

Glad to help!

Ned Raggett, Friday, 20 March 2009 21:22 (fifteen years ago) link

Ned, with that posted link, I can finally forgive you for that YouTube vid about the cape. You are indeed a gentleman.

Blancmange Is Playing At My House (King Boy Pato), Sunday, 22 March 2009 08:30 (fifteen years ago) link

There's a new play on at Dundee Rep Theatre, "Balgay Hill", in June that is kind of Billy Mackenzie related. It's not purely autobiographical. I'm not going to explain it well, but here's the link: http://www.dundeereptheatre.co.uk/p2s22.html

Will be going along to see it, the Rep is usually good.

MichaelJLambert, Sunday, 22 March 2009 12:47 (fifteen years ago) link

One tries, KBP.

And I kept forgetting to mention Balgay Hill! The Associates list has been talking about it for a bit -- and someone on there just posted a link to this thread so hello all who are seeing it for the first time! (I have to apologize as upthread I say Blair Brown is male, which is obv not the case!)

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 22 March 2009 14:04 (fifteen years ago) link

After the first half of this thread talked exclusively about Sulk, I'm glad The Affectionate Punch got some love after it was reissued in 2005. It's my favorite of theirs. AMG said "Two years later -- a year after the genius run of bizarre singles collected on Fourth Drawer Down and the same year as the high-drama overdrive of Sulk -- Rankine and Mackenzie partially re-recorded and completely remixed this album to spectacularly layered and glossy effect." Too bad the reissue didn't include that version, it might have won over some of the Sulk fans.

Fastnbulbous, Sunday, 22 March 2009 15:04 (fifteen years ago) link

That version was already on CD for years, so it was quite exciting to get the original version back in print. I think it's like the Slapp Happy thing (Casablanca Moon/Acnalbasac Noom) some people prefer one, some the other, some like to pick from each!

dan selzer, Sunday, 22 March 2009 18:22 (fifteen years ago) link


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