Matos, one day you will be famous enough that people will assume you are saying Xgau is gay. They may even start threads about it.
― dleone (dleone), Wednesday, 2 July 2003 01:14 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Wednesday, 2 July 2003 01:16 (twenty-one years ago) link
I'm probably not reading enough into it, but my general impression of the piece was: jeez, they might be the best Band That Matters we've got, but it sure would be nice if they were actually better. Being in the "I like Radiohead but..." camp, I'm sympathetic. I think the only generation gap that shows up here is nothing to do with taste and mostly to do with how much you thing it matters to have a Band That Matters. I think Christgau cares more about that than I do, and I even kind of understand why. But it doesn't invalidate his perspective, and I think he's fun to read. Of course he's a pretentious college boy, and he's writing for an audience of "pretentious college boys" (a demographic group that, of course, includes lots of men and women of all ages), and so when he puts down something as being too "pretentious college boy," he's assuming his audience will get the joke. I think he's one of the funniest writers out there, and that's why I like him. I like his jokes.
― JesseFox (JesseFox), Wednesday, 2 July 2003 03:43 (twenty-one years ago) link
My culpa.
― JesseFox (JesseFox), Wednesday, 2 July 2003 03:45 (twenty-one years ago) link
I read "Africa" here as a stand-in for rhythm, both in terms of influence and contemporary product (in that the chief marginal distinction of the continent's music, writ large, is its rhythmic qualities, i bushwa). The piece ends up quite clearly on a (re)statement of Xgau's aesthetic position - he favors foregrounding rhythm over harmony, on principle. In practice, Radiohead does not (though Xgau liked Kid A because it veered into something approximating a groove).
doesn't this:
"But no matter who's right, if anyone is, the future of Hail to the Thief is unlikely to have much bearing on the future of rock or anything else."
suggest that there is NOTHING going on there?
he's referring to what the album represents (privileging non-rhythmic elements in "rock" music), not the album itself. he considers the album pleasant, though not necessarily his style, as i understand it.
a.k.a. "the narcissism of small differences: part MCMXIII"
Then what do you make of his Distinctions Not Cost-Effective trope?
I should read the whole piece, but the deep irony of ending that paragraph with "this is the idealized voice of a pretentious college boy" is staggering me.
said before, but this pretty much approximates his stated perception of his audience. and considering his self-description as a "peculiar combination of pretentious and unpretentious" (paraphrase, perhaps), it's at least somewhat self-referential.
christgau's pretty far along in his critical career for the idea that compelling music can be made without obvious reference to af-american idioms to be such a revelation!!!
he's been putting classical music down for 35 years. but he said similar half-nice things about a prog-record or two in the 70s book.
the problem comes because he's been putting these terms forth for years, in much more concrete ways, elsewhere and in other pieces, and he definitely expects his readership to catch the x-references. so those of us who read him a lot (like me) do, and he alienates lots of other folx. not sure what to say to that except shrug.
ditto.
oh, and ha, my immediate first two responses to who has emotional range - S-K and Baaba Maal.
― gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 2 July 2003 04:33 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 2 July 2003 07:02 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 2 July 2003 12:57 (twenty-one years ago) link
Fraught and self-involved, sure; but Thom's actually a really funny guy. I guess if you don't think things like The Castle or Buffalo 66 are funny, or can't see the humor built into personas from Bryan Ferry's to Mark E. Smith's, or haven't really listened to the lyrics ... "Karma Police" is a funny song; so are "My Iron Lung" and even "Fake Plastic Trees." "Living in a Glass House" is positively silly. People are too credulous about all the 'despair.'
Oh, and "Sulk," if not quite cheery, is a pretty bracing tune.
― brian nemtusak (sanlazaro), Wednesday, 2 July 2003 22:46 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Wednesday, 2 July 2003 22:50 (twenty-one years ago) link
― James Blount (James Blount), Wednesday, 2 July 2003 22:51 (twenty-one years ago) link
― jess (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 2 July 2003 22:58 (twenty-one years ago) link
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― jess (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 2 July 2003 23:02 (twenty-one years ago) link
― James Blount (James Blount), Wednesday, 2 July 2003 23:04 (twenty-one years ago) link
― M Matos (M Matos), Wednesday, 2 July 2003 23:46 (twenty-one years ago) link
your wish is my command!
― the genie of the lamp (dog latin), Thursday, 3 July 2003 01:06 (twenty-one years ago) link
well i'm glad that's settled ...
― brian nemtusak (sanlazaro), Thursday, 3 July 2003 17:57 (twenty-one years ago) link
― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 3 July 2003 18:33 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Kingfish (Kingfish), Thursday, 3 July 2003 18:36 (twenty-one years ago) link
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― jess (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 3 July 2003 18:41 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Cozen (Cozen), Thursday, 3 July 2003 18:44 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 3 July 2003 18:51 (twenty-one years ago) link
― gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 3 July 2003 18:59 (twenty-one years ago) link
― amateurist (amateurist), Thursday, 3 July 2003 18:59 (twenty-one years ago) link
i'd like to see Oolong wear that!
http://mediaservice.photoisland.com/auction/Jul/2003736220157000832004.jpg
― Kingfish (Kingfish), Thursday, 3 July 2003 19:05 (twenty-one years ago) link
― M Matos (M Matos), Thursday, 3 July 2003 19:08 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 3 July 2003 19:14 (twenty-one years ago) link
― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 3 July 2003 19:19 (twenty-one years ago) link
http://www.syberpunk.com/images/oolong/pancake3.jpg
― Kingfish (Kingfish), Thursday, 3 July 2003 19:23 (twenty-one years ago) link
Buffalo 66 is hilarious.
― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 3 July 2003 20:21 (twenty-one years ago) link
[it's so cute when people defend Buffalo 66!]
― brian nemtusak (sanlazaro), Thursday, 3 July 2003 20:23 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Kingfish (Kingfish), Thursday, 3 July 2003 20:29 (twenty-one years ago) link
― James Blount (James Blount), Thursday, 3 July 2003 20:44 (twenty-one years ago) link
― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 3 July 2003 20:49 (twenty-one years ago) link
they don't have a rhythm guitarist to save their life
― jess (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 3 July 2003 21:40 (twenty-one years ago) link
― brian nemtusak (sanlazaro), Thursday, 3 July 2003 22:42 (twenty-one years ago) link
Oddly enough, Myxomatosis has elements in common with some African folkloric music in that it basically feels like a triple meter and a duple meter at the same time (two speeds of duple time really, since it has that 2:3 polyrhythm going through it).
― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 3 July 2003 23:16 (twenty-one years ago) link
― brian nemtusak (sanlazaro), Thursday, 3 July 2003 23:26 (twenty-one years ago) link
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― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Saturday, 5 July 2003 02:48 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Saturday, 5 July 2003 02:49 (twenty-one years ago) link
http://mediaservice.photoisland.com/auction/Jul/2003751903893294663221.jpg
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― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Sunday, 6 July 2003 02:47 (twenty-one years ago) link