Pink Floyd-Classic or dud

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(What Marcello isn't saying is that one of the guests on that album is...DAVID GILMOUR!)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 19 January 2007 16:03 (seventeen years ago) link

Exactly!

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 19 January 2007 16:04 (seventeen years ago) link

omfg 'sorrow' is 8 minutes of the same chord and the same gilmour wank with no tune or saving grace audible. it is one of the 5 worst songs I've ever listened to all the way through, up there with 'baby cakes' and some paolo nutini single.

to scour or to pop? (Haberdager), Friday, 19 January 2007 16:08 (seventeen years ago) link

i'm listening to it right now just to see if i was on stupid pills the first time.

to scour or to pop? (Haberdager), Friday, 19 January 2007 16:11 (seventeen years ago) link

the live album after it (Pulse)

I thought that little red flashing LED was absolutely unique and wonderful while it lasted, not that I'd ever purchase or listen to the thing, understand. (My sister's boyfriend owned it.)

M. Agony Von Bontee (M. Agony Von Bontee), Friday, 19 January 2007 16:13 (seventeen years ago) link

erm, i simply zoned out after about five minutes, and can remember nothing about the song. again.

the sorrow, the sorrow (Haberdager), Friday, 19 January 2007 16:22 (seventeen years ago) link

Maybe the Floyd should recruit Paolo Nutini as their new lead singer.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 19 January 2007 16:24 (seventeen years ago) link

oh syd, you died for this

to scour or to pop? (Haberdager), Friday, 19 January 2007 16:26 (seventeen years ago) link

Maybe the Floyd should recruit Paolo Nutini as their new lead singer.

Christ, I heard him at New Year for the first time, WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT ALL ABOUT!??!??!?

Tom D. (Dada), Friday, 19 January 2007 16:27 (seventeen years ago) link

Alex Harvey being involuntarily fed through a cheese grater, by the sound and look of it.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 19 January 2007 16:28 (seventeen years ago) link

i'd voluntarily feed paolo through a cheese grater, myself

to scour or to pop? (Haberdager), Friday, 19 January 2007 16:29 (seventeen years ago) link

(xpost) I actually said to my Mum, "He sounds like Alex Harvey's GRANDAD"

Tom D. (Dada), Friday, 19 January 2007 16:32 (seventeen years ago) link

Are Aly Bain and Phil Cunningham "doctors" in the Paul McKenna sense?

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 19 January 2007 16:41 (seventeen years ago) link

Advanced Doctorate in Heedrum-Hodrum Studies

Tom D. (Dada), Friday, 19 January 2007 16:43 (seventeen years ago) link

Play his cards right, and Paolo could be the Chris McClure of the noughties!

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 19 January 2007 16:44 (seventeen years ago) link

I was lucky enough to catch a pretty out-of-it subway guitar player (black, which was kind of unexpected) performing "The Wall" pretty much in its entirety, complete with spoken bits. This at DeKalb a few months ago. WFMU would *kill* to have a tape of him doing "The Trial" complete with passionately shouted, "Since, MY FRIEND, you have ReVEALED your deepest fears..."

dlp9001 (dlp9001), Friday, 19 January 2007 16:51 (seventeen years ago) link

"The Trial" Off The Wall is not quite as good as "The Trial Of Hissing Sid" Off Captain Beaky.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 19 January 2007 16:54 (seventeen years ago) link

I haven't dared troll youtube for people doing their rendition of the Floyd in the bedroom, but Subway Pink sounds pretty cool.

In a lot of ways (you know, outside the A.L. Webberisms, "The Wall" is a pretty well realized work. The expanded DVD of the movie that came out a few years ago is excellent.

don weiner (don weiner), Friday, 19 January 2007 16:56 (seventeen years ago) link

"The Wall" is the worst film I've ever seen, bar none

Tom D. (Dada), Friday, 19 January 2007 16:59 (seventeen years ago) link

I was lucky enough to catch a pretty out-of-it subway guitar player (black, which was kind of unexpected) performing "The Wall" pretty much in its entirety, complete with spoken bits. This at DeKalb a few months ago. WFMU would *kill* to have a tape of him doing "The Trial" complete with passionately shouted, "Since, MY FRIEND, you have ReVEALED your deepest fears..."

Wow.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Friday, 19 January 2007 17:19 (seventeen years ago) link

Meddle and Animals are the only two Floyd albums that get any regular listens from me. And they are, of course, classic.

christoff (christoff), Friday, 19 January 2007 17:30 (seventeen years ago) link

the sound of both of those is so rich

Surmounter (rra123), Friday, 19 January 2007 17:31 (seventeen years ago) link

"Lost For Words" and "High Hopes" are really the only two post-Wall tracks worth a damn.

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Friday, 19 January 2007 18:04 (seventeen years ago) link

"Lost For Words" is IIRC a direct rip-off of 'Wish You Were Here', and not a particularly good one either.

I'm quite a fan of 'What Do You Want From Me' and 'Tearing The Inside Out' from that album, and High Hopes is pretty good, yeah. The rest can burn.

to scour or to pop? (Haberdager), Friday, 19 January 2007 18:08 (seventeen years ago) link

Meddle and Animals are the only two Floyd albums that get any regular listens from me.

FWIW, in a poll some years back on Echoes (the "main" PF mailing list), Meddle and Animals were #1 and #2, I think.

"Summer '68" is great. When he's on, Rick Wright is such an inspired and distinctive voice -- anytime you hear an intriguing, unorthodox chord progression in a Pink Floyd song, it's probably him. (Which is a big part of why they went downhill so fast after Animals, though he didn't really contribute much to that album.)

I don't like Obscured by Clouds much but the live performances of the title track (plus "When You're In") are almost always terrific. Most of that album never got played live, though they did a few shows with "Childhood's End", and Gilmour played "Wots...uh the Deal" on his most recent tour.

The sound of the albums from A Saucerful of Secrets up to Meddle -- as in, the quality of the recorded acoustic -- is pretty much my musical ideal. Sometimes I think Meddle is the best-recorded album, like, ever.

I don't own anything after The Final Cut, because it's pretty much all dreck.

lurker #2421, inc. (lurker-2421), Friday, 19 January 2007 18:17 (seventeen years ago) link

I need to try Animals again. Never got into at all, even when I was obsessed w/ Floyd in the 80s, always seemed like endless boring blues solos to me.

Mark (MarkR), Friday, 19 January 2007 18:20 (seventeen years ago) link

Same here

Tom D. (Dada), Friday, 19 January 2007 18:20 (seventeen years ago) link

Animals is definitely sprawling, but it's not boring if you give it a little time to sink in. I first got into it playing Need for Speed on my PC, listening to it over and over. The guitars are beautiful once you get to know them - there's this one cascading scale part in the middle (track 3 or 4 i think? hard to keep track)

that always gives me the chills. overall, the texture of the album cinches it for me. thick and luxurious.

Surmounter (rra123), Friday, 19 January 2007 18:31 (seventeen years ago) link

there's this one cascading scale part in the middle (track 3 or 4 i think? hard to keep track)

Sounds like one of the solos ("one of", oh dear) towards the end of "Dogs". I rate Animals quite highly among Floyd albums, probably because "Dogs" takes up so much of the album. Wonder if there were any Van Der Graaf Generator fans in the Floyd, as at least part of "Dogs" sounds to me like it takes its cue from the first part of "A Plague Of Lighthouse Keepers".

LC (Damian), Friday, 19 January 2007 20:00 (seventeen years ago) link

The conclusion of "Sheep" is one of my fave PF moments ever. Certainly it's Nick Mason's best moment...

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Friday, 19 January 2007 20:01 (seventeen years ago) link

Animals I tried to give another chance after Mark Kozelek mentioned he loved it (which makes *perfect* sense, I have to say). But while I like "Dogs" to an extent, it's an album of moments otherwise (thus Elvis T.'s comment on the end of "Sheep") that takes too long in between them.

Still, T/S as abstract response to punk: Animals vs. Presence.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 19 January 2007 20:03 (seventeen years ago) link

Wonder if there were any Van Der Graaf Generator fans in the Floyd

They did share concert bills together a couple of times. If memory serves, there was one 1969 concert that was PF, Fleetwood Mac, and VdGG.

That could just be the best concert bill ever.

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Friday, 19 January 2007 20:03 (seventeen years ago) link

this is the point where I bring up that Anthony Moore of Slapp Happy (and some very cool solo albums) wrote lyrics for Momentary Lapse of Reason.

Dave and Nick still have some cool friends from the old days.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Friday, 19 January 2007 20:41 (seventeen years ago) link

With Mark + Tom, re: Animals. Boring. "Important" sounding. Twaddle. Even during my PF years, I never rated it. Though I might find things to like if I listened to it again (it's been at least 10 years), I'll probably just stick with the Syd stuff and the post-Syd exploratory phase.

verbose, bombastic, self-immolating (Pye Poudre), Friday, 19 January 2007 20:50 (seventeen years ago) link

Speaking of animals...

Brent Hinds, in the Mastadon docu-making-of for Blood Mountain remarked that he wanted to end the album in a way akin to Floyd. Except, instead of dogs barking he was going to use a kitten. Hi-larious!

christoff (christoff), Friday, 19 January 2007 20:55 (seventeen years ago) link

come on people for Animals put your hands up!!

Surmounter (rra123), Friday, 19 January 2007 21:33 (seventeen years ago) link

come on people for Animals put your hands up!!

Already put my hand up

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Friday, 19 January 2007 22:05 (seventeen years ago) link

animals is awesome

feed latebloomer (latebloomer), Friday, 19 January 2007 22:06 (seventeen years ago) link

"Animals" is great. I rank "Wish You Were Here" and "Dark Side" ahead of it, but still way better than its reputation.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Friday, 19 January 2007 22:09 (seventeen years ago) link

"WHO WAS DRAGGED! DOWN! BY THE. STONE (Stowwwwne, - Stowwwne, - Stowwwne, - stowwwne, stowwwne.... stowwne. stowne. stone.)"

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Friday, 19 January 2007 22:10 (seventeen years ago) link

YES!!!!!!! okay thanks

i'm putting it on right now

Surmounter (rra123), Friday, 19 January 2007 22:21 (seventeen years ago) link

Animals is my favorite of the later ones, Gilmour's guitar tone & solos, epic long tracks, Waters' angriest lyrics, the fucking jam at the end of "Sheep"

milton parker (Jon L), Friday, 19 January 2007 22:22 (seventeen years ago) link

yea i think it might be my fav of the later ones as well

argh dogs is so good right now

although wish you were here is kinda awesome too

Surmounter (rra123), Friday, 19 January 2007 22:34 (seventeen years ago) link

Partially inspired by this thread, I've started this one:

TS (or compare and contrast) -- Pink Floyd's "Echoes" vs. the Damned's "Curtain Call"

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 19 January 2007 22:36 (seventeen years ago) link

xpost to milton: Yes!

The conclusion of "Sheep" is one of my fave PF moments ever.

YES!!!

sleeve version 2.0 (sleeve testing), Friday, 19 January 2007 22:38 (seventeen years ago) link

i think the conclusion to Sheep is what i was trying to get at before -

the part where the guitars burst into that beautiful descending thing? i think that's it! that's one of my fav PH moments ever as well!

Surmounter (rra123), Friday, 19 January 2007 22:46 (seventeen years ago) link

lol PF, getting a bit excited over here

Surmounter (rra123), Friday, 19 January 2007 22:46 (seventeen years ago) link

Animals has now stopped playing. In my apartment. And it leaves me thinking of it as one of those, whadoyoucallits, lyric poems?

It's like a little story built on guitar and ambience.

Surmounter (rra123), Friday, 19 January 2007 23:15 (seventeen years ago) link

One thing that has always struck me about Animals is how well it turned despite the chaos of recording it. PF had already spent 500K pounds on the new studio and hadn't finished it when recording started. The electronics were temperamental (there's a famous story about how a sleepy and/or stoned Waters accidentally erased the best take of Gilmour's solo on "Dogs") and how the sound insulation wasn't working. Mason's book gets into some of the detail.

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Saturday, 20 January 2007 01:26 (seventeen years ago) link

oh recdoding bla bla bla

i'm gonna smoke now

Surmounter (rra123), Saturday, 20 January 2007 07:30 (seventeen years ago) link


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