I testified in court against him a few years ago. He was one big visionnary asshole.
― J4mi3 H4rl3y (Snowballing), Thursday, 8 April 2010 20:24 (fourteen years ago) link
You shouldn't laugh but that is a pretty funny post.
― Doran, Thursday, 8 April 2010 20:26 (fourteen years ago) link
The NY Times clarified their statement somewhat. It now reads:
"The band was fronted by John Lydon, whose repugnant appearance and Irish background inclined Mr. McLaren (as he stated in the documentary “The Great Rock ‘n’ Roll Swindle”) to saddle him with the pejorative stage name Johnny Rotten."
― Spencer Chow, Thursday, 8 April 2010 20:27 (fourteen years ago) link
RIP
jessica hopper is a prude. she seems to derive a considerable portion of her identity from being offended by things that are, in the scheme of things, very innocuous.
so, she's sort of the anti-malcolm mclaren i suppose.
not to say this guy wasn't kind of a dubious psued. but he was a dubious psued that made some surprisingly good music.
― by another name (amateurist), Thursday, 8 April 2010 20:32 (fourteen years ago) link
thanks for weighing in amateurist.
― ✌.✰|ʘ‿ʘ|✰.✌ (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 8 April 2010 20:37 (fourteen years ago) link
lol for sum reason i got jess hopper and jessica harvell confused for a sec there
― history mayne, Thursday, 8 April 2010 20:44 (fourteen years ago) link
Jessica Harvell!
― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 8 April 2010 20:57 (fourteen years ago) link
Way hotter than Jessica Hopper IMO.
― repugnant appearance, Irish background, not an animal (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 8 April 2010 20:58 (fourteen years ago) link
It's kind of pretentious to be offended on behalf of someone who's no longer offended about how a dead person treated them.
― show us on the doll where the hotdish was served (suzy), Thursday, 8 April 2010 21:24 (fourteen years ago) link
As it says:
Statement from Johnny Rotten about Malcolm Mclaren "For me Malc was always entertaining, and I hope you (cont) http://tl.gd/ppp3e
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 8 April 2010 21:30 (fourteen years ago) link
Misread "cont" as something else there for a second...
― Convenience Fish (snoball), Thursday, 8 April 2010 21:31 (fourteen years ago) link
stupid cont
― 鬼の手 (Edward III), Thursday, 8 April 2010 21:32 (fourteen years ago) link
In the summer of 1983, as a 12YO, I found the lack of pop music on Norwegian radio frustrating, and ended up listening to Radio Lux on a bad radio. Surely, this was 20 years after Lux's golden age, but for me, 1983 is the golden year of Lux, and also one golden year of British hitlist pop. I ended up listening to it a lot that summer and autumn.
What does this have to do with Malcom McLaren? Well, "Double Dutch" was being played on constant rotation on Lux that summer, and this strange song is largely what I connect with McLaren. Surely, I know his part in Sex Pistols, but never liked them, so for me it's more about his own work. Which was interesting in its own way with its combination of modern beats and electronics together with American square dance.
― Tied Up In Geir (Geir Hongro), Thursday, 8 April 2010 21:47 (fourteen years ago) link
r u confusing "Double Dutch" with "Buffalo Gals"?
― ✌.✰|ʘ‿ʘ|✰.✌ (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 8 April 2010 21:56 (fourteen years ago) link
RIP. I will stan for "Madame Butterfly" any day of the week.
― NoTimeBeforeTime, Thursday, 8 April 2010 22:28 (fourteen years ago) link
all the "he was an asshole, you know" commentary seems sort of point-missing to me. of course he way. who would think otherwise?
― hellzapoppa (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 8 April 2010 22:35 (fourteen years ago) link
of course he WAS, i mean.
― p-dog, Thursday, 8 April 2010 22:46 (fourteen years ago) link
Also there's a time and place thing going on here. He may well have been a bit of a dick on occasion but, y'know, get a grip. No man's an island etc.
― Doran, Thursday, 8 April 2010 22:50 (fourteen years ago) link
McLaren is classic for Duck Rock and Buffalo Gals and dud for the way he mismanaged the Pistols finances.
― booty claps and harp solos (leavethecapital), Thursday, 8 April 2010 23:04 (fourteen years ago) link
Tom Ewing, hero:
RIP Malcolm McLaren. Best troll ever.
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 8 April 2010 23:04 (fourteen years ago) link
"of course he WAS, i mean."From what little I know about the guy, he reveled in being a scoundrel, so it seems weirdly appropriate to point out his greatest hits of scoundrelry as tribute, if nothing else. To this day I have no idea what his angle was with chiptunes. Truly a master player.
― Philip Nunez, Thursday, 8 April 2010 23:10 (fourteen years ago) link
RIP Talcy Malcy. Playing Bow Wow Wow and Adam and the Ants just cos.
― Duke Newsom (DavidM), Thursday, 8 April 2010 23:50 (fourteen years ago) link
Tributes coming in fromVivienne Westwood: http://www.nme.com/news/malcolm-mclaren/50581Wobble: http://www.mirror.co.uk/celebs/news/2010/04/09/sex-pistols-manager-malcolm-mclaren-dies-115875-22172162/
This is getting really sad now actually. I mean in the old fashioned sense :(
― piscesx, Thursday, 8 April 2010 23:54 (fourteen years ago) link
This is amazing, although I am biased: http://imomus.com/mclarencomplete.html
― show us on the doll where the hotdish was served (suzy), Friday, 9 April 2010 00:05 (fourteen years ago) link
Rip and...
"Fronted by John Lydon — whose repugnant appearance and Irish background earned him the stage name Johnny Rotten"
...wooooah!
Fucking hell.
― Venga, Friday, 9 April 2010 00:13 (fourteen years ago) link
Obviously this is sad for all the reasons mentioned above, but whenever someone like Malc or Tony Wilson dies it does sort of highlight how people like that ("mavericks," for want of a better word) seem to give the music industry an extremely wide berth at the present time. Perhaps it's because there barely is any industry to speak of anymore. Unless I'm missing something/someone?
― Position Position, Friday, 9 April 2010 00:23 (fourteen years ago) link
Gotta say that was a pretty classy quote from Mr. Lydon considering the battles he had with Malcolm.
― Gerald McBoing-Boing, Friday, 9 April 2010 02:53 (fourteen years ago) link
Wasn't he to blame for the Pistols breaking up?
― Mr. Snrub, Friday, 9 April 2010 03:25 (fourteen years ago) link
Pistols broke themselves up, but McLaren took all the money (through publishing rights, etc).
― Johnny Fever, Friday, 9 April 2010 03:26 (fourteen years ago) link
And the New York Dolls as well?
― Mr. Snrub, Friday, 9 April 2010 03:27 (fourteen years ago) link
His wiki entry is pretty thorough: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malcolm_mclaren
― Johnny Fever, Friday, 9 April 2010 03:32 (fourteen years ago) link
The whole um.. 'Chicken' magazine episode is the real clincher for anyone looking for reasons to diss him but i mean.. let's not go into THAT.― piscesx, Thursday, April 8, 2010 7:00 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
link?
― jaxon, Friday, 9 April 2010 04:27 (fourteen years ago) link
farewell, you culturally significant piece of shit.
― kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Friday, 9 April 2010 04:44 (fourteen years ago) link
At about midnight last night I was skimming the obits and news online and thought 'That's really nice that they've got a Tim Westwood tribute on DiS. Good on them for thinking of the McLaren/hip hop connection.'
It was literally two hours before I realised that the quote was from Vivienne Westwood not Tim.
"Dis is well dark news innit bruv? Brah Malcy will be well missed, brap brap."
― Doran, Friday, 9 April 2010 07:56 (fourteen years ago) link
Evidence of the 'Chicken' episode seems to be thin on the ground because it never actually existed. But I seem to remember reading about the proposal in Smash Hits at the time. It was going to be a p0rn mag for kids basically.
― anagram, Friday, 9 April 2010 08:04 (fourteen years ago) link
― steev reich (Curt1s Stephens), Friday, 9 April 2010 08:06 (fourteen years ago) link
RIP Malc :(
― Is that your Ayrshire bacon? (Tom D.), Friday, 9 April 2010 09:00 (fourteen years ago) link
Good riddance and fuck off. </punk spirit>
― Matt DC, Friday, 9 April 2010 09:04 (fourteen years ago) link
At his funeral, I reckon the pallbearers should be dressed in bondage trousers
― Is that your Ayrshire bacon? (Tom D.), Friday, 9 April 2010 09:09 (fourteen years ago) link
the guardian's piece didn't go much beyond 'sex pistols manager'. bigger obit to follow, no doubt.
looking at youtube i'd forgotten the forays into world music and square dancing. his championing of chip tunes didn't come to much.
― koogs, Friday, 9 April 2010 09:13 (fourteen years ago) link
full obit now up:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2010/apr/09/malcolm-mclaren-obituary
― anagram, Friday, 9 April 2010 09:15 (fourteen years ago) link
who cares if he was a dick. did way more good than harm. totally interesting dude rip.
― jabba hands, Friday, 9 April 2010 09:15 (fourteen years ago) link
From Rip It Up and Start Again:
Vermorel believes McLaren's master scheme was "to create a child porn scandal implicating as many people as he could." Not just EMI, who was financing Chicken, but the BBC, too.A documentary crew headed by Alan Yentob had been following McLaren around for a program on the marketing of Bow Wow Wow. Partly impelled by his usual lust for maximum media mayhem, McLaren also wanted to make a serious polemical point, exposing pop music as porn for children...and pop as porn using children to titillate adults.
With typical ruthlessness, McLaren, in his eagerness to embarrass the music and media establishment, showed no concern whatsoever about the youngsters (Annabella and the other teenage models) or old friends (Vermorel) who would have been embroiled in the scandal. When he went to remonstrate with McLaren, says Vermorel, "alcolm just laughed and said, 'You should be telling all this to the judge! When the shit hits the fan, I'll be in South America.' So I told EMI what was going on. And they tld Yentob, and he freaked out, and those tapes have been in the BBC vault ever since."
...Chickennever hatched. According to Vermorel, the only physical evidence of Chicken's existence was the rate card for advertising in the magazine." But Bow Wow Wow's second release, Your Cassette Pet, continued to expolit the underage-sex angle.
― Animal Bitrate (Raw Patrick), Friday, 9 April 2010 09:38 (fourteen years ago) link
honestly that passage is incredibly vague. lots of lacunae. weird.
the double dutch song seems like an obvious mbaqanga (sp?) rip/homage, no? probably some easy ideological objections could be made to mclaren using _that_ particular source for a song about afro-american folkways, but whatever.
― by another name (amateurist), Friday, 9 April 2010 10:18 (fourteen years ago) link
Nope. "Double Dutch" was the UK hitlist hit from the "Duck Rock" album.
― Tied Up In Geir (Geir Hongro), Friday, 9 April 2010 10:48 (fourteen years ago) link
the biggest UK hitlist hit, I mean.
― Tied Up In Geir (Geir Hongro), Friday, 9 April 2010 10:49 (fourteen years ago) link
are there good books about/by mclaren? the 2002 momus interview linked above mentions malcolm writing a book, was this an autobiography and did it ever come out?
― NI, Friday, 9 April 2010 13:26 (fourteen years ago) link
http://www.malcolmmclaren.com/
Lol.
― Matt DC, Friday, 9 April 2010 13:29 (fourteen years ago) link
The Word have done a tribute playlist on Spotify: http://bacn.me/1a6s
― mike t-diva, Friday, 9 April 2010 13:43 (fourteen years ago) link