On Djing...

Hmmmn. I see a pioneer CDJ 800 mk1 for $400. The inadvertently nice thing about the mk1 is that it can't play Mp3's (I guess you have to convert tracks to wav's first), which would be an extra barrier against the potential temptation to play mp3's.

To those out there who DJ...do you enjoy having a sparring partner in the booth? Is it a hindrance?

depends on the person. mostly a hindrance imo. i only ever had one setup where i used to come back to dublin once a month and dj with a mate and we did 3 and 3 the first night and it went great so we continued doing that.

it's very hard to find someone whose music complements your own even if you think you have similar tastes, imo.

I love doing it, but it can be a frustrating if with the wrong person.

so i think i'm gonna go full mobile dj in 2021. i know it's early and my hopes are probably high wrt vaccination but still feel like it's looking likely that "events" are back online within a year.

the only thing is i'm gonna have to get some kind of small business loan together for equipment, 5k or so. i can't stop thinking about it. has anyone in the us done this?

You mean, including a PA? Because a controller and a laptop are cheap if you're going that route.

yep, speakers.

and i want to switch from traktor to pioneer, get the xdj-rr or xdj-rx2. though i still haven't totally decided on that yet, it would be a lot cheaper to stick with traktor and upgrade to an s3 or s4. also it might be preferable to bring the laptop to gigs anyway for requests and such.

Ah ok. Last summer I DJed a friend's wedding a borrowed a PA from a lawyer, two Yamaha mains and a sub, and it worked out great. He offered to sell me the whole system + a Mackie powered mixer for $700, so he could upgrade to some Bose tower speakers. Idk, that's all I know about the PA part.

I have these powered PA speakers and love them, but you might need something a little bigger:

https://products.electrovoice.com/ap/en/zlx-12p/

woah nice. i'm looking at new but it's probably smarter just to piece it out from classifieds. i don't really know how hard it is to get a loan for something like this, it's a side gig but i'm somewhat confident i could make it pay $200-$400 a month. sweetwater (i know they're trumpies yuck) sell this mobile dj rig that includes a nice scrim and carrying wagon + qsc mains and subs and pionner xdj-rx2 controller for 4.7k. i'm poor though so maybe i should get the bare minimum used (a sub and some speakers) and go from there.

the tower speaker thingies look nice, ev makes one (evolve 50) that gets very good reviews. i could probably get away with just one of those but it's 1.7k.

xp

love the evs sleeve, 12 is perfect actually

Yes the wagon is the most important part of the PA, this saved my back & my night:
https://www.amazon.com/OnStage-UTC2200-On-Stage-Utility-Cart/dp/B01KQ0X3OS/ref=psdc_490895011_t2_B002TITK8O

nice!

man, I wish I had one of those for record shows

yeah it's funny how after doing it a few times your priorities shift a little from "are my speakers the best" to "how long are my cords, how easy to use is my power strip, i need cases and covers, i need some way to carry this in ONE trip that isn't going to kill me," etc.

if you're going to be a real mobile DJ you'll need some inflatable guitars, funny hats and novelty glasses to pass out

https://www.partypalooza.com/product/InflGuit24.htm

https://www.orientaltrading.com/bulk-adults-fedora-hats-assortment-a2-13937579.fltr

https://www.windycitynovelties.com/neon-billboard-rainbow-pride-sunglasses.html

lol

as far as "making a little money back" goes which is necessary for me at this point it's my best option, since i've decided i don't want to deal with the bullshit of djing at a gay bar, and the trve kvlt dj scene in my area is led by total assholes.

i'm only half-kidding. we have a family friend who is an extremely successful mobile dj. he has been doing it full-time for like 20 years now and owns a mobile dj business with 4-5 other mobile djs as employees. he does big weddings, graduation parties, corporate events and bar mitzvahs all over the ritziest neighborhoods in southern california. and afaict it seems like his success is 99% about his ability to get ppl to participate and have fun w/ props etc vs having any sort of stand-out talent or taste.

yeah it is definitely a proposition of being an entertainer

thanks for sharing that info, interesting.

i'm thinking of tapping into the "gay wedding" market so the pride glasses are a good idea

$4.20 Each

nice

Ah ok. Last summer I DJed a friend's wedding a borrowed a PA from a lawyer, two Yamaha mains and a sub, and it worked out great. He offered to sell me the whole system + a Mackie powered mixer for $700, so he could upgrade to some Bose tower speakers. Idk, that's all I know about the PA part.

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Jordan if you come back to this thread, would you mind sharing more info about what you played and stuff, if you did any mc-ing, etc.?

there is a part of me that's worried that if i do this i'm going to have to turn into a human jukebox. i don't mind doing some of that, because i like seeing people smile and dance, but i also want a chance to play some left-of-center stuff sometimes. i guess that's the whole deal though - you gotta be flexible. it's part of why i don't like the trve kvlt djs in my area - they're very focused on playing their "thing" which is often kinda boringly tasteful. the international "star" djs are the only ones i've seen who are both tasteful and electrifying...

i think i would stick to weddings and adults events. definitely don't want to do kid parties, bar mitzvahs and stuff, entertaining kids is very much not my thing and sounds like a nightmare. also have to deal with the whole mormons being 50% of the population here, i'm gonna need to turn down heavily mormon events i get recommended for through family members.

godamn i miss dj-ing even though i kinda hate it sometimes.

hi gonna de-lurk real quick to say a friend & i have a mobile dj company as a side business & we started out renting equipment, then purchasing used equipment on craigslist, and now we've upgraded to all new equipment. on one hand renting equipment can take a large cut of out of your profits & some of our early used systems were pretty bust, so if you can afford to skip those steps you may want to. on the other hand, we were still making money with those systems & if you can't get a loan it's a route you could take. (we never looked into loans ourselves.)

right now we have a pair of Yamaha DXR 10 powered speakers, which we're really happy with. they're only 34 pounds, which is a back saver, and they're louder, have a richer sound & give more punch than the used 12"s we were using previously. they have an onboard mixer on the back panel too, which is very useful if you're doing an event with multiple locations & you don't want to lug the rest of your equipment to each location. the QSC K series is supposed to be very similar to the Yamaha DXRs & they seem pretty popular with other mobile djs.

guitar center will price match online deals, so we went through them to get a better deal & still have the benefit of dealing with a local brick & mortar if we wanted to return, repair or use the warranty on them.

ime subs are not necessary unless you're trying to create a club kind of experience. they're also hella heavy & in our case would just take up too much space in our vehicle.

if you're doing a lot of weddings, you'll want to invest in some good wireless mics too. handhelds are the most useful, but some couples will want lavaliers for their ceremonies. we're still renting lavs when we have to, 'cause a good set is expensive. (note: wireless microphones are setup to work best in specific geographic regions. make sure you're using mics designed for your particular region.)

cool, thanks for sharing!

the last event i did (and really it was also my first "pro" event) was a private party on a ski mountain in february of this year before all the shit hit the fan.

for a first "me doing an event by myself" experience the whole thing was a bit of a shambles and i made it happen by the skin of my teeth, lots of bumps along the way, a lot of stress setting up, etc. i rented the sound system beforehand (you're right that this is a good way to go when starting out, it wasn't that much $ and i definitely recouped the cost). the wireless mic set the sound guy had to set up beforehand using the geo location info you mentioned. i thought i could just turn it on and it would work but it was really a nightmare and wouldn't pick up any sound so the drag queen had to shout at everyone :(. she was like "it happens" though and the party went over pretty well and i got paid a few hundo. got to play "love at first sight" really loud for the drag performance :).

stphone, i'm curious, did you do any marketing or did you just start with some word of mouth?

I'm not a pro, I only got into djing through producing, so I'd generally rather not play than have to please a crowd of civilians. :) Of course this means I don't play out at all now, except for the occasional radio mix. But this was a one-time-only favor to some close friends, and it was actually really fun to put together a set of solid gold radio hits that I could also blend/beatmatch, to make it fun for myself.

Of course most people there didn't notice or care that it was mixed, and had just as much (or more) fun later on in the night when we set up a tablet to play stuff off Spotify. I didn't get on the mic much because I hate being on the mic (although it does seem like 90% of the DJ's job is just to provide PA + mics).

I found the google doc with my track list, here's what I played for a hipster-ish mid-30s white people wedding:

Jackson 5 - I Want You Back (99)
Jay-Z/Radiohead 99 Anthems (94 bpm)
Paper Planes - DFA remix (95 bpm)
Beyonce - Crazy in Love - (99)
Beyonce - Single Ladies? (97)
James Brown - Get Up and Drive Your Funky Soul (98/99)
Amerie - 1 thing (100)
Missy - Work It (102)
Beastie Boys - Shake Your Rump (103)
Beastie Boys - Intergalactic (106)
Prince - DMSR (109 - 110)
James Brown - Give It Up or Turn it Loose (115)
Janet Jackson - When I Think of You (116)
Beastie Boys - Brass Monkey (116)
Destiny’s Child - Lose My Breath (119)
The Time - Jungle Love (119 / 120)
Whitney Houston - I Wanna Dance With Somebody - 119
Missy - Lose Control (125 / 126)
Cajmere - Percolator - 126
Rod Lee - Get Up On it (130)
Salt n Pepa - Push It (130)
Beyonce - Run the World
Finn - Sometimes the Going Gets a Little Tough
My Boo - 130
Cupid Shuffle (144)
Joy Division/Missy mashup (148)
Outkast - Hey Ya (159)

It was surprisingly fun, but I'm glad I didn't have to play all night or do it every weekend.

nice, that looks like a really fun set!

thanks for sharing :)

to start it was just for friends then friend of friends and then yeah a word of mouth thing. but when we decided to invest in it, we made a website, made some business cards & paid a few hundred to be a vendor at a hip-ish wedding show, which paid for itself shortly after through several gigs we got. if i were doing it again, i'd probably focus first on a solid social media presence. wherever you believe your audience to be. but yeah something you can point potential clients to. i have some past experience with seo, which i've been able to use to build a decent web presence. we now get a lot of gigs through google.

reviews help a lot too. pick a platform you want to focus on (yelp, google business, the knot, etc.) and send clients who were happy with what you did that way. if the event did not go too well, well... maybe don't send them to your review page.

also make friends with other vendors you work with, particularly the planners. they'll get you gigs.

& as to music & type of events you do, i think it all depends on how you market yourself. if you want the most gigs possible, yeah you'll probably want to bust out the party hats & whatnot. but for a side gig, i've found you can make decent money with something more niche too.

ty!!!!!

I have a pair of QSC K12s and they are CRAZY loud, but if you want to play bass-heavy music outdoors, you'll need a sub.

agree that 12s are very loud! i think i'm going to do it like stphone did and rent sound for a while, starting out. especially since last february i rented two qsc 12 mains and a sub for about $100. more than enough sound (it may have been 15 inchers now that i think about it). for that gig i think i charged another $400 (there were extra logistics involved). a year or two of doing that and then i can look at buying my own sound.

i think that realistically, in the next 6 months, i can focus on:
getting my music back. external hd failed. $500 to a recovery service, IF it's technically possible (always back your files up everyone).
upgrade from s2 to s4 (not essential but high-priority)
get a basic web presence, start looking at marketing / ways to get back out there and get those first few gigs.

thanks again stphone for sharing your experience, super helpful.

yall think we'll see events come back by the end of the year? i know ilx is exceedingly sensitive on this subject, but i kind of think it'll happen.

i think so too but who knows

I mean, yeah. There are selfish dumbasses all over, so events are bound to return. There are already Plague Rave DJ's operating now.

i assume map meant non-selfish-dumbass events

ive recently seen a few ads and posts on social media about indoor socially distanced DJ events in my city. although our positivity rate is holding firm in the double digits so im not going anywhere near them to find out how they work or if theyre fun

I've been joking about nurse raves and senior raves for the vaccinated

From a UK perspective, I had been optimistic we would see some sort of outdoor festival activity this summer but I fear the new variant(s) may have torpedoed that.

I remain optimistic some sort of events will be possible and hope dancing is allowed (it wasn't last summer). A massive amount can obviously change between now and the end of the year with the vaccine roll out but I do find it hard to envisage clubs being open here this year. I hope I am wrong.

Nurse raves and senior raves for the vaccinated for the win. Perhaps dealers will move into holding supplies of Sputnik?

haha that would rule

gonna spend my stimmy on a pioneer xdj rx so i can finally get used to cdjs and get off sync mode on the ni kontrol, lol. i was really into key lock. i think the xdj is going to sound better overall though.

very happy with the xdj-rx2 (and i still get to use sync lolz)

looks like i get to do a patio pride set in june.

I got a simple Serato mixer (DJM-S3) and have been buying up stuff on bandcamp to complement my old vinyl from 1996-2002. Now I just need somewhere to play it!

so parties have started happening again in my small city. i'm running into a brick wall where i'm getting passed over for gigs. my dj friends are gatekeepers and i seem to be last in line lol. so i'm realizing if i want to play i need to start my own thing. some combination of the following:

pound the pavement, go out to bars, find one i like and propose a night to the owner
plan / throw my own party at a venue. i've never done this before and i'm broke rn so it's daunting and could easily backfire.
plan / throw my own house parties. i live in a trailer park lol so it would have to be a few close friends, not ideal for getting visibility.
start actually going out to other people's parties. it seems like hanging out and showing enthusiasm for other peoples' nights is a way to get asked to dj? n.b. i can only do this if i like their music, but even then it's hard--i don't drink, like to get up at 6 am and go running, and have a distaste for schmoozing and dj politics.

one nice thing is i feel like i've arrived "my sound" after years of trying to play everything. vocal-heavy, soulful, defected-type stuff, deeper pop remixes. no idea how that's going to play here or how 'cool' it is or isn't but don't care, it feels right for me.

anyway, if anyone has any thoughts about breaking through to gigs, please share.

i would have said start actually going out to other people's parties. it seems like hanging out and showing enthusiasm for other peoples' nights is a way to get asked to dj? would be a good plan but this - i like to get up at 6 am and go running, and have a distaste for schmoozing and dj politics. makes me think this is definitely not the route to go down as it will probably leave you quite jaded, cynical and might actually put you off.

the first two suggestions seem like the best bet to me. i have no idea how long you have been trying to get gigs but would say that i think perseverance and tenacity are key.

or i guess being extremely photogenic and having mad social media skills seems to work for tons of folk now....

ime throwing your own party at a venue can involve almost as much schmoozing and politics as going out to parties for the purposes of trying to get in good w/gatekeepers. if thats where your coming from the best option is #1 imo. finding the right place thats a good fit for what you want to play and also has an owner thats amenable to your idea is as daunting as anything else, but when/if you can find such a place and get a night set up its a nice place to be in.

yeah #1 also seems like the most approachable thing to me. i'll probably try to make it out to other people's parties more as well, at least on weekends.

working on my social media game but i am not naturally good at it.

thanks for your thoughts folks.