if there's a better compiler than Bob Stanley out there, I'd sure like to know...

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scott! email me, i can burn a couple of the dreambabes for ya. i'm sure you've got some shit i'd flip for if you want to trade. if not, i highly recommend the ones I've got: "folk rock and fathfull" and "backcomb and beat" are both awesome

ps hiya arthur!

Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Monday, 13 November 2006 01:10 (eighteen years ago) link

Votel certainly rivals Stanley...I think it just comes down to taste...Votel is more of an Incredibly Strange Music seeker, while Stanley aims to redefine the cosmopolitan sounds of earlier eras...(which totally dovetails with the St. Etienne aesthetic...in fact, the great thing about Bob Stanley compilations is how well they complement his/their own music)...

I have to say, though, that the Finders Keepers releases I own do not get into the rotation as much as, say, The Trip or Velvet Tinmine...

hank (hank s), Monday, 13 November 2006 14:01 (eighteen years ago) link

the real question is how do i get a job being andy votel or bob stanley?

Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Monday, 13 November 2006 15:06 (eighteen years ago) link

Cherrystones is no slouch in the compilation game, either.

Dave Segal (Da ve Segal), Monday, 13 November 2006 15:25 (eighteen years ago) link

More to the point, where do either get the money to buy all of these records in the first place, unless they literally do fish them all out of charity shops for 20p a throw?

Mind you, I'm glad they do. The St Et The Trip comp is exceptional (will somebody tell me more about Mandy More?) and the Selda album which Votel's recently reissued is a thing of wonder.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 13 November 2006 15:26 (eighteen years ago) link

Let's not forget David Toop - those Ocean Of Sound 2CD comps he did in the '90s were uniformly fantastic.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 13 November 2006 15:28 (eighteen years ago) link

xpost to Michael Bourke. I don't think Bob S did Gltter From The Litterbin, it was the same bloke who does some of the Psychedelic Pstones series. Can't remember who it is - it'll come to me.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Monday, 13 November 2006 16:08 (eighteen years ago) link

will somebody tell me more about Mandy More?

Can't tell you anything about her, but here's a few titbits online about her LP:

- from a Q&A with Bob Stanley @ saintetienne.com:

"Ember Glance asks who the hell is Mandy More. Well, her mindblowing If Not By Fire appeared on The Trip. It's from an album called But That Is Me on Philips in 1972 (which includes a great cover of God Only Knows, an almost impossible feat!). I know she did a few equally intriguing non album singles including Coffee Cups which is very proto Kate Bush. Most of the album is, too."

- review @ the vinylvulture.co.uk forum:

"Mandy More – But that is me, Philips 1972
A beautiful and moving album, one I know nothing about. On playing it through I discovered that ‘If Not by Fire’ was familiar – featured on St Etienne’s Trip compilation. This is one of the 2 tracks which features some great electronic / moogy effects (freaking out at the end) and is mighty fine. But the album is so not a 1-tracker, it is one of those perfectly formed complete albums. A little like Melanie’s earlier LPs, but IMHO so much better. Mandy More has a great voice and the arrangements are gloriously baroque – strings, harp, layers of voices, piano – and great songs too. Highlights, if I must pick them are: ‘But That is Me’ (almost a single – catchy uplifting song), ‘Listen Babe’ (gentle grooving number), ‘Come to me Jesus’ (lush complex orchestral, with a great twisting and swelling ending); ‘If I smiled on Saturdays’ (catchy uptempo number featuring congas and melodica). For me the best is the closing number – a fantastic cover of ‘God only Knows’ – the moog comes back (or it might be guitar through effects) and the drums are funky even has a harmonica solo from Mandy! Produced by a certain Tony Hall, if that means anything to anyone.... Find this album if you can, you need it!"

zebedee (zebedee), Monday, 13 November 2006 16:31 (eighteen years ago) link

ah yes, David Toop...those other Virgin comps (Boomin' on Pluto, Sugar And Poison, I think there's another one whose name escapes me now) are also great...dude owns the 80's...

related to xposts: can anybody tell me more about Esther Williams (not the swimmer who turned up on the cover of the first Blur LP, but the soul singer whose "Last Night Changed It All" appears on The Trip)?

hank (hank s), Monday, 13 November 2006 16:40 (eighteen years ago) link

If you dig the Early Morning Hush comp you should definitely check out the first "acid folk" comp Stanley did, Gather the Mushrooms. It is equally splendid.

I liked that Folk Is Not A Four Letter Word comp Votel did, and the welsh one he did with Gruff Rhys, but thought the prog one was just dreadful. Though I'd probably have dug the song selection if I was out at a club and those were the records a dj was playing. It didn't work so well as an at home listening experience for me.

bastowe (bastowe), Monday, 13 November 2006 16:54 (eighteen years ago) link

The other two Ocean of Sound comps were Crooning On Venus and Guitars From Mars.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 13 November 2006 16:54 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm still playing that Mojo Folk compilation!

mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 13 November 2006 16:55 (eighteen years ago) link

i still have to play that oxford american music issue comp. i wanna hear the muhammad ali track.

scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 13 November 2006 16:57 (eighteen years ago) link

Marcello beat me to mentioning Toop. Ocean of Sound helped reshape how I listened to music.

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Monday, 13 November 2006 19:50 (eighteen years ago) link

Toop also compiled the great 2cd "not necessarly english music" and the really interesting (but a bit cold) "hunted weather"

those 2cd Virgin compilations were so beautiful.... i'm the only fan of "monster, robot and bugmen" compiled by simon hopkins and "jazz satellites" by kevin martin )and "kosmic kuruschi monster (vol.1, sigh....))? wish kevin martin would/could compile more...

minerva estassi (minerva estassi), Monday, 13 November 2006 21:28 (eighteen years ago) link

speaking of those Virgin compilations, the only one to have eluded me lo these years (I haven't bought them all, but I've at least had the chance) is the Kodwo Eshun-curated "Escape Velocity: Routes From The Jungle" (or something like that)...and dang it, that's the one I really wanted!...did anybody else snag that one, and who knows where it can be currently found?...(I am assuming it is long out-of-print)...

hank (hank s), Monday, 13 November 2006 21:34 (eighteen years ago) link

** Marcello beat me to mentioning Toop. Ocean of Sound helped reshape how I listened to music. **

Was going to say a similar thing but wanted to articulate *how* and not sure i can right now.

dh (djh), Monday, 13 November 2006 22:24 (eighteen years ago) link

Bob Stanley goes out with Sheila Burgel, another excellent compiler in that she did One Kiss Can Lead To Another.

Nedpoleon (NedBeauman), Monday, 13 November 2006 23:42 (eighteen years ago) link

i volunteer to housesit anytime, bob + sheila! i'll water the plants and everything, just set me up with some headphones.

Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 01:33 (eighteen years ago) link

jazz satellites" by kevin martin

I've been waiting for eons for Vol. 2. Jazz Satellites Vol. 1 was a life-changer. Some key person at Virgin must've got sacked, because it seems like all those amazing comps stopped issuing forth about 5 years ago.

Check out this lineup for the unreleased second volume: http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/adventures/articles/satellites.htm

Dave Segal (Da ve Segal), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 03:22 (eighteen years ago) link

the tracklist of Jazz Satellites II it's so great it's actually depressing it was withdraw at the 11th hour, after all the licensin was done and the comps annunced, if i recall right... not only so much unavailable stuff (and anyway even if all was available, it's a lot of money to get all!), but also, for example, the Mahavishnu Orchestra 'Miles Out'is an outstanding track from a otherwise mediocre lp... and that Vol. 1 on the cover of 'kosmic kurushi' always make me think: 'what the hell will they put on vol.2?'

talking of wire/tony harrington compiled comps, the wire 3cd box on Mute i think is really good, but have never seen reviewed or talked about. Check the tracklist:
http://www.discogs.com/release/125213

minerva estassi (minerva estassi), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 03:53 (eighteen years ago) link

and about compilations, i read a while ago on pitchfork that compilations are in the age of downloading useless. i think that in this age of all available the role of the compiler is more important then ever, he select for you the cream, while if you have too much, you can be easily bored (if you have the time). i love comps and i love to make comps for friends and loved ones, and it's quality (like old cassetes (i'm showing my age?)), not quantity (like dvd full of anything), that matters.

Anyway bored that downloading will actually be a pain for little (or big) records companies that will decide so that to issue comps, and the problems about it (licensing), it's no long useful and profitable (even if of unavailable music).

minerva estassi (minerva estassi), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 04:10 (eighteen years ago) link

I was wrong BS DID compile Glitter From The Litterbin

Dr. C (Dr. C), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 09:06 (eighteen years ago) link

hey, that is quite the tracklisting for that Jazz Satellites 2 comp...makes me wonder when/if the the Art Ensemble's People In Sorrow will ever get the reissue treatment it deserves...

hank (hank s), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 14:19 (eighteen years ago) link

At least the MONSTER Priester album was reissued last year.

The Garbarek-Coltrane-23 Skidoo-Melle stretch on Jazz Satellites is one of my favorite sequences.

Pamplaxico Polancobon (Andy_K), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 14:35 (eighteen years ago) link

This thread got me curious, so I thought I'd check out "Jazz Satellites"--it's going for $250 at Amazon! Wha? Anyone know if this is available for a less ridiculous price?

Tyler W (tylerw), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 15:17 (eighteen years ago) link

Saw it going in the MVE Notting Hill bargain basement for three quid a couple of weeks ago.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 15:26 (eighteen years ago) link

Really? ...Can you buy it for me? I'm not going to be able to make the trip to Notting Hill this weekend, as much as I'd like to. I reside in Colorado, you see...

Tyler W (tylerw), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 15:48 (eighteen years ago) link

My favorite compiler is Toru Hashimoto of Cafe Apres Midi / Free Soul / etc fame. The Stanley comps do have a bunch of good stuff on them though.

Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 17:40 (eighteen years ago) link

I second the Cafe Apres Midi compilations - wonderful stuff - Brazilian artists I would never have heard otherwise. I found 8 of the CAM CD's, only to realize that there are at least a dozen more (and I'm stuck in L.A.!)

So Ho La (So Ho La), Wednesday, 15 November 2006 01:40 (seventeen years ago) link

Anyone have any theories as to why most of the best compilers are British?

opalescent arcs (Da ve Segal), Wednesday, 15 November 2006 01:44 (seventeen years ago) link

one might also state that most of the best music writers (of the last 25 years or so) are also British, and that may begin to provide an answer...

hank (hank s), Wednesday, 15 November 2006 02:21 (seventeen years ago) link

..go on.

everything (everything), Wednesday, 15 November 2006 02:29 (seventeen years ago) link

one might also go fuck oneself

Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Wednesday, 15 November 2006 02:43 (seventeen years ago) link

Billy Miller/Norton Records/Mr. Manicotti etc.

calvin johnson has ruined rock for an entire generation (orion), Wednesday, 15 November 2006 02:56 (seventeen years ago) link

phil smee

electric sound of jim [and why not] (electricsound), Wednesday, 15 November 2006 02:57 (seventeen years ago) link

(is he british? sorry if so)

electric sound of jim [and why not] (electricsound), Wednesday, 15 November 2006 02:57 (seventeen years ago) link

Phil Smee is British.

Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Wednesday, 15 November 2006 09:28 (seventeen years ago) link

two years pass...

big list of comps here:
http://www.saintetiennedisco.com/compile.html

Brio, Friday, 8 May 2009 15:12 (fifteen years ago) link

that there website is a great source, thanks to whoever is doing it!...hopefully, it will be updated over time...(off the top of my head, I can think of two omissions: The Bobbie Gentry Capitol Years comp and the liner notes for the Jasmine Minks Soul Station Creation comp...I think Stanley/Wiggs also did a Dusty Springfield comp)...

henry s, Friday, 8 May 2009 16:29 (fifteen years ago) link

yeah, it's actually far from complete. anyone got something better?

Brio, Friday, 8 May 2009 17:42 (fifteen years ago) link

four years pass...

Yeah, mine arrives tomorrow.

Mark G, Sunday, 6 October 2013 21:17 (eleven years ago) link

I was just reading someone’s account of going to a birthday party as a kid and one of the parents brought over ‘Tiger Feet’ by Mud and said, ‘You’ve got to play this, nobody has a party without playing the current Number 1!’

Oh, I was actually that kid!

mike t-diva, Sunday, 6 October 2013 22:06 (eleven years ago) link

Tiger Feet was the Gangnam Style of 1974 I guess.

everything, Sunday, 6 October 2013 23:00 (eleven years ago) link

and then the Cat crept in.

Mark G, Sunday, 6 October 2013 23:11 (eleven years ago) link

Got this for my birthday!

Pingu Unchained (dog latin), Monday, 7 October 2013 09:18 (eleven years ago) link

Happy birthday!

Ismael Klata, Monday, 7 October 2013 09:42 (eleven years ago) link

Yeah, yeah. (yeah)

Mark G, Monday, 7 October 2013 09:43 (eleven years ago) link

eleven months pass...

only skimmed it so far (it seems like a book that warrants skimming really), but yeah yeah yeah, his history of pop seems interesting, though it seems to have zero interest in recent pop, and its all a bit too much of a flash through pop, never really getting deep into it. inevitable i know, but, it felt like a very post-internet way of writing about music history (should probably sit down with it a bit longer first, its just that after all the amazingly positive reviews, i think i expected something a bit better. the faber book jon savage and hanif kureishi did seems a slightly better approach to what stanley is trying to do, if more skewed towards rock, stanley is more open minded, and more equal in his appreciation of diff genres).

StillAdvance, Sunday, 7 September 2014 07:16 (ten years ago) link

Thanks Tim.

djh, Monday, 24 July 2023 20:17 (one year ago) link

three months pass...

London A To Z is great grey sky listening. The blurb on the John & Beverley Martyn track unpleasantly flippant if you've listened to the Andrew Hickey podcast ep on the artists tho.

Daniel_Rf, Tuesday, 21 November 2023 13:47 (eleven months ago) link

A friend recently gifted me Tribal Rites on CD. It’s excellent, particularly the second half. As I’m currently working on a project with the veteran DJ Greg Wilson, I told him about it and he was v.excited by the track listing, particularly for the Sons Of Robin Stone track. So that’s a strong expert endorsement for you there!

mike t-diva, Tuesday, 21 November 2023 14:08 (eleven months ago) link

one month passes...

Man I've been slack on catching up on the various comps in general. Had missed London A To Z for instance.

Meantime, the other day I'm shopping in Amoeba and I noticed these two comps from him that I had missed completely! (Which of course I bought immediately.)

https://acerecords.co.uk/folk-funk-beyond-the-arrangements-of-john-cameron

https://acerecords.co.uk/incident-at-a-free-festival-1

The latter one is in series with English Weather and Occasional Rain, this time being 1972.

Next up is a Cafe Exil sequel:

https://acerecords.co.uk/fantastic-voyage-1

Plus a really interesting one to me, a Lou Christie comp focusing on 1967. (I keep being very surprised at how Christie barely factors into wider 60s retrospections -- was he too much of a flash in the pan in the end?)

https://acerecords.co.uk/gypsy-bells-columbia-recordings-1967

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 30 December 2023 17:33 (ten months ago) link

Thanks for the head's up, Ned! I too have lost track of these comps, which is a shame because I almost invariably enjoy the hell out of them.

I own 76 In The Shade, Occasional Rain, Three Day Week, English Weather (my fave), Paris In the Spring, Tears of Technology, and State of the Union. Aside from this latest batch, are there any other crucial ones I'm missing, aside from Cafe Exil (which I can never seem to find)?

Paul Ponzi, Saturday, 30 December 2023 18:01 (ten months ago) link

Having gotten them all I can't be truly objective but per the new John Cameron one, gotta give credit to his very interesting producer/arranger overview choices -- the Thom Bell and Norman Whitfield comps arguably work in more familiar territory but they're solid overviews (Bell's own thoughts in the liners are great), but the Robert Kirby one was really striking, a way to open up a view into a lot of 70s UK folk-and-related work I wouldn't have really assayed otherwise.

Meantime I've just now noticed that that 'A Taste Of' series he did for Sainsbury's, which I thought was vinyl only, did have at least some CD issues as well so I may have to start tracking those down.

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 30 December 2023 18:14 (ten months ago) link

They sure are coming in thick and fast these days. My hometown record store always has a great compilation section, and when I was just back for the holidays I picked up the Cameron and Free Festival ones, as well as Tribal Rites of the New Saturday Night. Still on the hunt for London A-Z and the Latin Freestyle one. Also got the new Bobby Gillespie weepy ballad comp, also on Ace.

henry s, Saturday, 30 December 2023 19:28 (ten months ago) link

Meantime I've just now noticed that that 'A Taste Of' series he did for Sainsbury's, which I thought was vinyl only, did have at least some CD issues as well so I may have to start tracking those down.

― Ned Raggett, Saturday, December 30, 2023 6:14 PM (three hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

Curious. I've never seen the CDs (and only fleetingly saw the vinyl) despite shopping in Sainsbury's regularly. I don't recall the track listings for the ones I saw being that interesting??

djh, Saturday, 30 December 2023 22:11 (ten months ago) link

(I might be being unfair/grumpy in that assessment).

djh, Saturday, 30 December 2023 22:12 (ten months ago) link

"Cafe Exil" is my favorite comp of the last number of years, such a great ride. Very excited about the sequel even if its tracks are far more familiar than CE.

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Saturday, 30 December 2023 23:00 (ten months ago) link

The Sainsburys releases were basically "here's a basic ass selection with a few hidden gems snuck in", which is honestly very fair considering the target audience (it ain't us). Would still have picked them up if they had them at my local ofc.

Daniel_Rf, Sunday, 31 December 2023 12:04 (ten months ago) link

Sounds a reasonable assessment.

djh, Sunday, 31 December 2023 12:13 (ten months ago) link

"Fell From The Sun" is decent though shocked to discover that One Dove's Fallen wasn't as good as I remember (at least in the version on here).

djh, Tuesday, 9 January 2024 20:08 (ten months ago) link

one month passes...

Compiling some tracks recently [the ones on the Tarwater thread] and being a bit indecisive on the track-listing, I found myself wondering "What would Bob Stanley do??"

djh, Monday, 12 February 2024 21:51 (nine months ago) link

"Fantastic Voyage" is another top tier compilation, lives up to the title!

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Tuesday, 13 February 2024 00:05 (nine months ago) link

two months pass...

Here's the next one: Thom Bell - Didn't I Blow Your Mind? The Sound Of Philadelphia Soul 1969 - 1983

https://acerecords.co.uk/thom-bell-didnt-i-blow-your-mind-the-sound-of-philadelphia-soul-1969-1983

mike t-diva, Thursday, 18 April 2024 13:53 (six months ago) link

That’s…weird. He already did a Thom Bell comp a few years back! Hell it’s linked on that page. Is this a complementary set?

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 18 April 2024 14:10 (six months ago) link

This is the sequel to “Ready Or Not”, Ace’s first acclaimed compilation of the late Thom Bell’s productions and arrangements.

Clarity!

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 18 April 2024 19:56 (six months ago) link

Bob has been busy again. https://www.acerecords.co.uk/tomorrows-fashions-library-electronica-1972-1987

giraffe, Thursday, 2 May 2024 09:11 (six months ago) link

Bob has been busy again. https://www.acerecords.co.uk/tomorrows-fashions-library-electronica-1972-1987

I used to own hundreds upon hundreds of these albums. I sold a lot on eBay ages ago, but probably still own several hundred, and I still have CD-Rs of many of those I sold.

The one track on here I really love is John Cameron’s ‘Northern Lights’. For some reason it always evokes for me not the northern lights but gazing out on the River Thames at night, in the 1980s or early 1990s, at somewhere like Battersea. There’s an ominousness to it or a feeling of lost time, or something. That's what goes through my head anyway every time I listen to it.

A lot of the others have aspects to them that I like, but things I don’t like as well. Sometimes the drums and bass sound a bit like jazz funk, but a bit plodding, not sprightly. Then there are certain chord changes that I find annoying. You can hear the loosely prog rock background of some of these composers and the changes they use are not always to my taste.

dubmill, Thursday, 2 May 2024 13:25 (six months ago) link

two months pass...

And speaking of that comp, new Ace Records Podcast episode with Bob talking about it:

https://soundcloud.com/ace-records-ltd/the-ace-records-podcast-31-bob-stanley

Ned Raggett, Monday, 8 July 2024 17:14 (four months ago) link

two months pass...

Bought the Paul Williams Songbook comp w/o knowing that it is compiled and annotated by Stanley, so there's another one for completists.

Daniel_Rf, Monday, 30 September 2024 11:06 (one month ago) link

Yeah, they come at you thick and fast. I picked up a Dusty Springfield comp some time ago, and sure enough, Bob Stanley.

henry s, Monday, 30 September 2024 12:40 (one month ago) link

The link I posted in 2018 is still updated.

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Monday, 30 September 2024 13:05 (one month ago) link

Thanks! That is a well-annotated web page. Do you happen to know what the red asterisks indicate?

henry s, Monday, 30 September 2024 13:57 (one month ago) link

I do not. At first I thought it might indicate "out of print" but that's not the case.

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Monday, 30 September 2024 17:32 (one month ago) link

Bob’s Patreon is excellent, a constant stream of quality content.

mike t-diva, Monday, 30 September 2024 17:55 (one month ago) link

Always a bit surprised when ppl I'd considered Proper Famous (within the music world, not saying joe average would know him) have patreons but I guess that's where we're at now. Will def suscribe!

Daniel_Rf, Monday, 30 September 2024 20:59 (one month ago) link


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