Pink Floyd-Classic or dud

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CLASSIC ALL THE WAY. David Gilmour is such an underrated guitarist ("Dogs" anyone? "Time"? that spooky-as-hell Halloween bit in "Echoes"?), and the live disc of Ummagumma is the VERY FIRST drone rock album. FACT! Absolutely one of the best bands of all time.

Except for "The Division Bell" which was shit.

SEARCH: "Is There Anybody Out There?", "Dogs", "Embryo", "Careful With That Axe, Eugene" (Ummagumma version)

DESTROY: Roger Waters' abysfuckingmal solo albums

Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 21:34 (twenty years ago) link

David Gilmour is such an underrated guitarist

Not sure that's true. I love Mr.Gilmour, but I don't think he's really an underappreciated guitarist.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 23:38 (twenty years ago) link

The first few records = Classic.

The ’80s/’90s Pink Floyd = Dud.

Salvador Saca (Mr. Xolotl), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 23:59 (twenty years ago) link

David Gilmour is such an underrated guitarist

There are a million college students learning every note of the solo to "Time" that would dispute that.

Chris Dahlen (Chris Dahlen), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 01:11 (twenty years ago) link

oh wow! do they SMOKE WEED, too, these college students?

eesh (natedetritus), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 01:49 (twenty years ago) link

No, they don't.

jazz odysseus (jazz odysseus), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 01:50 (twenty years ago) link

Also "they were great until Syd left" = something I can live with never, ever hearing again; fuck that songs-about-gnomes shit, I want limey goth-Stax

Nate in ST.P (natedetritus), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 01:51 (twenty years ago) link

Well, they were great until Syd left, Nate. Then, they were sort of OK. Then, they started to get better.

Tim Ellison, Wednesday, 12 May 2004 02:00 (twenty years ago) link

I love the Floyd, up thru Final Cut. Liistening to 'Animals' live is a revelation, as are pre-Dark Side BBC broadcasts. The latter changed the sound of all their earlier material for me. Dark Side and Wish You Were Here and parts of the Wall ('Nobody Home' in particular) are perfect.

shookout (shookout), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 02:05 (twenty years ago) link

And while I like the Syd material very much there is so little of it and I suspect a lot of the adulation has to do with the suspect, adolescent notion that there's some kind of glory in mental disintegration. It's really like two different bands.

shookout (shookout), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 02:07 (twenty years ago) link

ha ha change that to "they sucked after Syd left" then

Nate in ST.P (natedetritus), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 02:11 (twenty years ago) link

But I like the Syd stuff.

shookout (shookout), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 03:50 (twenty years ago) link

What puts me off is the dreary, plodding 4/4 feel they all too often lock into

Yes, I think this is my problem with PF exactly. (And, believe me, I really want and try to like them.) I had the exact same problem with Godspeed's F#A#oo, which actually reminded me very much of Pink Floyd. (Thankfully GYBE! got a lot better afterwards.) I don't think even that even the starkest IDM or minimalist record I like really does this in this way. If anything they probably usually use space to emphasize unusual rhythmic frameworks and changes -> the beat doesn't come when you expect it to.

sundar subramanian (sundar), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 06:23 (twenty years ago) link

The two Syd solo albums were so horribly and haphazardly produced and yet I would still pick those over any 70's Pink Floyd any day. Piper is classic, Saucerful is pretty close, but after that it all does tend to sound rather dull.

Btw Richard Wright was fucking amazing. Props to him (he doesn't get enough!!).

Adam Bruneau, Wednesday, 12 May 2004 07:06 (twenty years ago) link

the best song on 'Saucerfull' is definitely a (the only) Syd song: 'Jugband Blues.'

shookout (shookout), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 11:54 (twenty years ago) link

"The two Syd solo albums were so horribly and haphazardly produced"

Barrett isn't so bad, is it? Obviously, Madcap Laughs is a mess.

Tim Ellison, Wednesday, 12 May 2004 13:52 (twenty years ago) link

I love them both, but I think the false starts and talking on Madcap is a bit manipulative and wrong.

Jonathan Z. (Joanthan Z.), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 13:58 (twenty years ago) link

Is Richard Wright the keyboardist? Please tell me he's not the drummer. I honestly think Alan Parsons deserves most of the credit for anything good about Pink Floyd.

It's been years since I've heard any Syd Barrett stuff but I just remember it sounding really . . . cheap and half-assed and not liking his voice. I might hear them differently now.

sundar subramanian (sundar), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 14:01 (twenty years ago) link

Liking the Barrett solo albums has as much to do with voyerism as it does with the music, I think.

shookout (shookout), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 14:05 (twenty years ago) link

I disagree. I think a lot of Barrett's solo material stands up to scrutiny above and beyond any freakshow element. Some of it works well and some of it doesn't, but personally I find songs like 'Dominoes', 'Wolfpack', 'If It's In You', 'She Took A Long Cold Look' etc. I find very moving and emotional.

Jonathan Z. (Joanthan Z.), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 14:17 (twenty years ago) link

Rick Wright - keybs, vocalist
Nick Mason - drums
Alan Parsons - engineer

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 14:22 (twenty years ago) link

(Right. I meant to give Parsons the engineer/producer the credit BTW.)

sundar subramanian (sundar), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 14:36 (twenty years ago) link

There are a million college students learning every note of the solo to "Time"

(looks nervously left and right; whistles innocently)

Mr. Snrub, Wednesday, 12 May 2004 14:39 (twenty years ago) link

I'm sure Waters would balk:
"*Cough*...CO-producer on a good day, thank you!"

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 14:40 (twenty years ago) link

I like Syd's solo albums, but I'm kinda ashamed to like them. They sound a lot like, "Oooh! Look at the scary crazy person!" Totally exploitative.

Mr. Snrub, Wednesday, 12 May 2004 20:05 (twenty years ago) link

two years pass...
Still not enough love for Meddle in this world. All these years and I think I've only just appreciated quite how pretty "A Pillow of Winds" is -- there's yer acid folk.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 05:38 (seventeen years ago) link

Meddle is my favorite Floyd album. Doesn't reach the heights of some of the others, but so what.

Chesty Joe Morgan (Chesty Joe Morgan), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 06:15 (seventeen years ago) link

Ned you are also otm about Gilmour being an underrated guitarst and singer. In his solos, he has (had) and outstanding knack for picking the exact right notes at the exact right time, eliminating all that is superfluous, and creating beautiful, memorable melodic lines.

Chesty Joe Morgan (Chesty Joe Morgan), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 06:20 (seventeen years ago) link

said it before but with the recent interest in psyche folk it makes sense for people to be all into that post-syd pre dark side period where they'd vacillate between acoustic stuff and way out stuff. If, Cymbaline, Green is the Colour...

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 06:24 (seventeen years ago) link

SIDE ONE MORE SOUNDTRACK

Tim Ellison = NUMBER ONE ADVOCATE OF YOU-KNOW-WHAT ON NU-ILX!!! (Tim Ellison), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 06:25 (seventeen years ago) link

Meddle is AWESOME, as is Animals and Wish You Were Here. And The Wall.

UM AND WHAT ABOUT ATOM HEART MOTHER???

and obscured by clouds. it's a toss up for me, my fav - it's just too hard. all of these are phenomenal.

Surmounter (rra123), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 17:14 (seventeen years ago) link

For some reason I've probably listened to Atom Heart Mother more than most other Pink Floyd albums, probably due to the fact that I bought it right before my musical tastes went stagnant for a couple years.

I was listening to Ratatat the other day and it really reminded me of it!

mh. (mike h.), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 17:20 (seventeen years ago) link

i know, atom heart mother is aamaaaazing

summer '68 (8 not 9, right?) is CRAAAAAZY!

Surmounter (rra123), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 17:34 (seventeen years ago) link

In his solos, he has (had) and outstanding knack for picking the exact right notes at the exact right time, eliminating all that is superfluous

In the "Live At Pompeii" film, you see Gilmour doing just that, recording a solo note-by-note...

Dr. Alicia D. Titsovich (sexyDancer), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 17:34 (seventeen years ago) link

the first track on atom heart mother is magnificent as well

Surmounter (rra123), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 17:38 (seventeen years ago) link

Was just listening to "Fearless" from Meddle this AM and it sounds fantastic.

Mark (MarkR), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 17:39 (seventeen years ago) link

ugh fearless is so timeless. it's just gorgeous

Surmounter (rra123), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 17:41 (seventeen years ago) link

Meddle is one of the reasons that my wife and I got together. Drunken convo at a bar about 6 years ago re: favorite albums of all time, and my wife (a relative newcomer to our circle of friends at the time) interjected with Meddle. We all appreciated the screwball alternative to our respective favorites.

Upon moving to the West Coast, and this may simply be the friends that my wife has, but it seems like EVERYONE grew up learning to play Pink Floyd, as opposed to my bluegrass/blues upbringing. So, whereas Hendrix, Cream, Bill Monroe, Muddy Waters, Howlin' Wolf and Tony Rice are common musical vernacular b/t my East Coast friends, all these Californians seem to immediately fall into Gilmour-era Floyd when in a jam setting. Somewhat frustrating b/c they aren't as tasteful and understated as Gilmour.

I actually haven't put on a Floyd album in a LONG time, and, upon reflection, I feel no need to. Still, they were relatively popular during my high school years, but, like Zep, Aerosmith, and BTO, I file them under the "Ah, yes....Floyd" category of memories.

B.L.A.M. (Big Loud Mountain Ape), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 17:46 (seventeen years ago) link

nice story about your wife! See Floyd still gets considerable play in my apt. I could never compare them to Aerosmith tho!

Surmounter (rra123), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 17:48 (seventeen years ago) link

Meddle is my favorite as well. TBH I think that Pink Floyd are at their best writing songs as opposed to 26 minute freakouts.

For my money everything up to (and including) Wish You Were Here is good. Then Waters' misanthropy gets the better of their way and liking the Floyd is solely the preserve of over earnest slightly dim students.

Treblekicker (treblekicker), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 17:49 (seventeen years ago) link

but i wonder if acid folk and space rock wasn't popular now, people here would still say the Meddle area records are classic:

i think, in the middle 90's they were Dud almost all the way among indie kids.
(Piper was always exceptional).

emekars (emekars), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 17:51 (seventeen years ago) link

Sur, I guess I agree with you re: direct comparison b/t 'Smith and Floyd, but I group them together b/c the classic rock radio station I grew up hearing (100GRX out of Baltimore, RIP) leaned heavily on those bands. Musically, pretty fucking far apart, I will completely grant you.

B.L.A.M. (Big Loud Mountain Ape), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 17:52 (seventeen years ago) link

IMO, animals and the wall are absolutely just as good as wish you were here, if not better. i have a real soft spot for animals.

Surmounter (rra123), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 17:52 (seventeen years ago) link

people here would still say the Meddle area records are classic

It's been one of my favorites ever since I first heard it, thanks very much -- and that was almost twenty years back.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 17:53 (seventeen years ago) link

i have a real soft spot for animals.

That's against the law y'know.

Treblekicker (treblekicker), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 17:54 (seventeen years ago) link

who trusts indie kids anyway? i think meddle holds its own without labels - it's not really acid, space or indie.

Surmounter (rra123), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 17:54 (seventeen years ago) link

Meddle has always been my favorite too - since I was played it by a friend's biker bf at Uni a decade ago. He also introduced me to Sabbath, Zeppelin, Gong and Motorhead. God bless you Ray, wherever you are.

Treblekicker (treblekicker), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 17:57 (seventeen years ago) link

i should listen to Meddle again.used to like it when i was 16, was bored with it at 20.i wonder if i'll like it now, 10 years after.

emekars (emekars), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 18:02 (seventeen years ago) link

Hell yeah you should. I went through pretty much the same up-down thing. Loved Floyd in my teens, burned out in my early 20s, found I loved 'em again (or at least loved certain records, like Meddle) in my 30s.

It's like eating a cake, and then forgetting about it, and then getting a new cake. Sure, it's familiar, but it's still fucking cake!

Adam Beales (Pye Poudre), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 18:05 (seventeen years ago) link

this thread made me put on meddle. can't understand anyone being bored with this record, unless you're some completely jaded punkasfuxor type.

shanghaied by the dragon lady (get bent), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 18:10 (seventeen years ago) link

Nick Mason speaks

This piece claims everything will drop in September, including vanilla reissues of the rest of the catalog.

Handjobs for a sport (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 13 May 2011 01:20 (thirteen years ago) link

yep, see www.whypinkfloyd.com for all that

reallysmoothmusic (Jamie_ATP), Friday, 13 May 2011 07:47 (thirteen years ago) link

Yeah, saw this on the HMV site yesterday.

Remastered versions of them all, including "Piper" which only just had one but then again if you have to have the CD collection with the same spines lined up on your shelf, you have to don't you?

Mark G, Friday, 13 May 2011 07:52 (thirteen years ago) link

"probably prefer that last Gilmour solo LP to the post Waters PF ones"

last Gilmour lp is definitely decent: recently I listened to the subsequent live album and it was good in places (Manzanera on second guitar).

Marco Damiani, Friday, 13 May 2011 08:00 (thirteen years ago) link

Will anyone rep for About Face? Apart from a couple of tracks - Blue Light especially - it's a pretty solid record.

http://youtu.be/6RqFrkrfWqQ

Per Yngve's having his brain out (MaresNest), Friday, 13 May 2011 10:23 (thirteen years ago) link

yes like it very much, esp 'Cruise'. a nice understated record

ban this sick stunt (anagram), Friday, 13 May 2011 10:28 (thirteen years ago) link

pretty psyched to hear a non-annoying "Great Gig in the Sky"

Mr. Snrub, Friday, 13 May 2011 10:50 (thirteen years ago) link

What, Easy Star All Stars?

Mark G, Friday, 13 May 2011 10:55 (thirteen years ago) link

david gilmour played comfortably numb with roger waters tonight at the london Wall show. got tickets for next tuesday, pretty hyped.

― reallysmoothmusic (Jamie_ATP), Thursday, May 12, 2011 11:34 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

http://youtu.be/QbGoOtYnevA

Fantastic moment at 0:52. Brought a tear to me eye it did.

i can't, i won't (Ned Trifle II), Friday, 13 May 2011 17:38 (thirteen years ago) link

Try again.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbGoOtYnevA

i can't, i won't (Ned Trifle II), Friday, 13 May 2011 17:39 (thirteen years ago) link

Hah, screenshot is a SPOILER.

i can't, i won't (Ned Trifle II), Friday, 13 May 2011 17:40 (thirteen years ago) link

i can't believe I didn't go see the wall when it came through oakland, WTF was I thinking? broke I guess.

akm, Friday, 13 May 2011 17:54 (thirteen years ago) link

would be awesome if this was just the culmination of waters' nefarious plan to kill gilmour, and just as dave hit the first note of the solo, THE WALL COMES DOWN.

tylerw, Friday, 13 May 2011 17:56 (thirteen years ago) link

Bill Maher looks great on that guitar. The longer hair suits him.

EZ Snappin, Friday, 13 May 2011 18:40 (thirteen years ago) link

side of floyd beef

http://i370.photobucket.com/albums/oo142/live_laugh_love231/My%20Personal%20Pictures/069.jpg

Euler, Friday, 13 May 2011 18:44 (thirteen years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-L42YTWSJtI

more great footage of *that* bit. for me i guess this is like if Bernard Butler shows up at the Dog Man Star/Suede gig on Friday. Floyd fans musta been going mental.

piscesx, Monday, 16 May 2011 15:45 (thirteen years ago) link

one year passes...

wah wah - no one told me when to run - I missed the starting gun! wahwah - WILL LISTEN TO FLOYD instead of catching up

Sweet Yin Yang ☯ (Latham Green), Tuesday, 4 September 2012 15:02 (eleven years ago) link

four years pass...

Pink Floyd “Reunite” in Support of Gaza Activists

"David Gilmour, Nick Mason and Roger Waters stand united in support of the Women of the Gaza Freedom Flotilla"

http://pitchfork.com/news/68809-pink-floyd-reunite-in-support-of-gaza-activitsts/

PappaWheelie V, Thursday, 6 October 2016 17:40 (seven years ago) link

wow so nobody here talked about how great those 2011 remasters sound? cuz man, I think they sound amazing, tons of space and detail and heft to the sound.

sleeve, Friday, 7 October 2016 01:25 (seven years ago) link

also there's a new run of vinyl reissues, haven't heard any reports and don't wanna dive into the Hoffman forum or something to discover how they sound. the only one I need is Piper anyway.

sleeve, Friday, 7 October 2016 01:27 (seven years ago) link

How many goddamn reissues does this band need?

Mr. Snrub, Friday, 7 October 2016 01:39 (seven years ago) link

wow so nobody here talked about how great those 2011 remasters sound? cuz man, I think they sound amazing, tons of space and detail and heft to the sound.

Yeah, I agree. That was the first time I bought any Floyd on CD, and they sound fantastic.

Don Van Gorp, midwest regional VP, marketing (誤訳侮辱), Friday, 7 October 2016 01:46 (seven years ago) link

i don't know any pink floyd masterings that _don't_ sound fantastic. except they fucked up the mono on that piper box set a few years back, i guess.

a confederacy of lampreys (rushomancy), Friday, 7 October 2016 02:04 (seven years ago) link

Did they? I thought it sounded fantastic, but it's the only mono Piper I've heard.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 7 October 2016 02:07 (seven years ago) link

well i think it was just one of the channels that was fucked up. since we're dealing with a mono recording anyway it's not exactly the end of the world, y'know?

a confederacy of lampreys (rushomancy), Friday, 7 October 2016 02:08 (seven years ago) link

Chris Blair from Abbey Rd caught a lot of flack from the Hoffman types for cutting off the end of Flaming, introducing some clicks and a bit of a botch noise reduction/EQ combo.

MaresNest, Friday, 7 October 2016 10:50 (seven years ago) link

five years pass...

i like everything pretty much except the final cut and atom heart mother!

xzanfar, Saturday, 4 December 2021 19:07 (two years ago) link


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