King Crimson: Classic Or Dud

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mark s, there is a truly eye-popping site discussing Sinfields lyrics here:. http://www.songsouponse a.com/Promenade/ if you want to delve even further into Islands its on chapters 16 and 17.

Ladies of the Road and Formetera Ladies are the clunkers I refered to above btw. Though I think Sinfields worst lyrics are on Still.

Alexander Blair, Sunday, 17 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

i wuv the idea that KC were in fact FUNKY: even slimy-greasy purist chaki says so, tho i note they were carefully not mentioned on THIS THREAD however. What, does the word have two meanings after all?

mark s, Sunday, 17 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

And this is a surprise? ONLY two would be a surprise!

Josh, Sunday, 17 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Alexander wrote: "there is a truly eye-popping site discussing Sinfields lyrics here:. http://www.songsouponse a.com/Promenade/ if you want to delve even further into Islands its on chapters 16 and 17."

Truly unfathomable, I wouldn't have believed it had I not seen it with my own eyes. However, it explains much. There's a site where I help write reviews for prog rock albums, and we once received a snippy letter for dissing the Wake of Poseidon album (or at least, not being fanboy-ish enough towards it), and the person, opening up by claiming we had "less wit and culture than an ant" (yep) used much of the material found in the Wake of Poseidon chapter as their defense of the album and its depth. Maybe it was even The Keeper of the onyx-embolden'd-husking-jewelled-warthogs website himself! :)

Joe, Sunday, 17 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

four years pass...
Boz Burrell, RIP http://www.marketwire.com/mw/release_html_b1?release_id=165889

kyle (akmonday), Friday, 22 September 2006 22:32 (eighteen years ago)

four years pass...

Cue your golf swing.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 27 July 2011 16:32 (fourteen years ago)

Wow... Mind = blown.

An influential prophet from Denton, Texas (Dan Peterson), Wednesday, 27 July 2011 16:42 (fourteen years ago)

Very cool! thx ned

an excellent source of vitamins and minerals (WmC), Wednesday, 27 July 2011 16:43 (fourteen years ago)

"that's some really wild stuff"

buzza, Wednesday, 27 July 2011 16:44 (fourteen years ago)

In The Lounge of the Crimson King

tylerw, Wednesday, 27 July 2011 16:46 (fourteen years ago)

More on Belew's fourth-rate David Byrne impersonation - "I repeat myself under stress, I repeat myself under stress." Geddit? Hilarious, eh? Anybody who finds that remotely amusing in any way should be avoided.

Dave Q really killed it on this thread, huh? I like lots of KC but I hardly ever find myself playing them. When I do, it's either Larks' Tongues or Beat.

Clarke B., Wednesday, 27 July 2011 18:29 (fourteen years ago)

I think Belew's a pretty terrible lyricist but that was kinda the point, right? The lyrics weren't supposed to stand out. It was all about the music at that point.

frogbs, Wednesday, 27 July 2011 18:31 (fourteen years ago)

two months pass...

Met this guy tonight who said he'd done tarot card readings with Adrian Belew, back in '83 or so

the story just got weirder from there

geeta, Tuesday, 27 September 2011 07:54 (thirteen years ago)

four months pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILSVAUjd5QI&feature=youtube_gdata_player

nostormo, Saturday, 4 February 2012 13:35 (thirteen years ago)

six months pass...

Fripp speaks

Elvis Telecom, Saturday, 4 August 2012 20:10 (twelve years ago)

excellent...wish it was longer

frogbs, Saturday, 4 August 2012 20:18 (twelve years ago)

2009 Crimson, with Porcupine Tree drummer as second drummer, was awesome live.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 4 August 2012 21:28 (twelve years ago)

so, who is buying the 13 CD, 1 DVD, 1 Blu-Ray of Larks' Tongue In Aspic?

http://www.dgmlive.com/news.htm?entry=3916

EZ Snappin, Monday, 13 August 2012 19:48 (twelve years ago)

Just registered for DJM live site just so I could hear a sparse guide track for "Islands" the song. Boz sounds like he's singing into a cheap condenser mike, but otherwise it's quite lovely.

'Islands' is the worst album ever made by anybody.
― dave q, Friday, February 15, 2002 7:00 PM (10 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

NO.

Ermahgerd Thomas (Dan Peterson), Monday, 13 August 2012 20:19 (twelve years ago)

its kind of weird to imagine that King Crimson only played a fixed amount of concerts when they were active. it feels like they're able to just create more and more live bootleg material at will, even if it was phyiscally impossible for them to have played that many dates.

frogbs, Monday, 13 August 2012 20:20 (twelve years ago)

So many of them are pretty dodgy quality though, aren't they?

Ermahgerd Thomas (Dan Peterson), Monday, 13 August 2012 20:21 (twelve years ago)

http://static.rateyourmusic.com/lk/l/w/dd360157ea8e506661983ea7336800bc/4330188.gif

frogbs, Friday, 17 August 2012 13:23 (twelve years ago)

classic:

'released in three separate editions to satisfy the merely curious and the expectant collector'

j., Friday, 17 August 2012 14:31 (twelve years ago)

so, who is buying the 13 CD, 1 DVD, 1 Blu-Ray of /Larks' Tongue In Aspic/?

http://www.dgmlive.com/news.htm?entry=3916


Who ISN'T?

Naive Teen Idol, Monday, 20 August 2012 03:26 (twelve years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWaz8xfFjuE

Three Word Username, Monday, 20 August 2012 06:50 (twelve years ago)

two weeks pass...

Guess Fripperlips is done for good?

http://ultimateclassicrock.com/king-crimson-robert-fripp-quits-music-business/

Hope he enjoys retirement!

frogbs, Friday, 7 September 2012 13:35 (twelve years ago)

He's been retired for a while, I believe. Couple of years? Also, for what it's worth, he was semi-retired for pretty much the second half of the '70s, too.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 7 September 2012 14:14 (twelve years ago)

Yeah, this is not new news.

How's My Modding? Call 1-800-SBU-RSELF (WmC), Friday, 7 September 2012 14:15 (twelve years ago)

Wait, hold up:

A multi-disc deluxe edition of the 1973 Crimson classic ‘Larks’ Tongues in Aspic’ is set for release in October and will include 13 CD’s, a DVD and a Blu-Ray disc.

13 CDs!?!?!

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 7 September 2012 14:15 (twelve years ago)

Disc details at the bottom of this page: http://www.dgmlive.com/news.htm

How's My Modding? Call 1-800-SBU-RSELF (WmC), Friday, 7 September 2012 14:28 (twelve years ago)

So basically a bunch of live discs previously sold through the site. That's cool though. Band in the Muir era was neat.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 7 September 2012 14:33 (twelve years ago)

Wasn't aware Kanye had sampled "Schizoid Man," which Fripp seems pissed he didn't get paid for. Wonder if he ever paid any royalties for quoting "Surrey With The Fringe On Top" in "Moonchild?"

Ermahgerd Thomas (Dan Peterson), Friday, 7 September 2012 16:19 (twelve years ago)

I figured Fripp was done, but this is the first time I ever heard him say it (I know he said he wasn't going to tour anymore some 4-5 years ago), maybe I'm just not paying attention

frogbs, Friday, 7 September 2012 16:22 (twelve years ago)

Fripp got paid for Schizoid sample, but iirc only after going straight to Kanye and the two of them presenting a united front to the label. He was very careful never to criticize West, even though he could have for not clearing the sample ahead of time.

How's My Modding? Call 1-800-SBU-RSELF (WmC), Friday, 7 September 2012 16:41 (twelve years ago)

fripp did an album with mel collins and jakko jakwhatsit last year, so he hasn't been retired for 4 years. it was a bit disappointing, definitely not the new lease on KC I think they were hoping for.

akm, Friday, 7 September 2012 18:31 (twelve years ago)

Well it certainly wasnt the new lease on KC I was hoping for.

WARS OF ARMAGEDDON (Karaoke Version) (Sparkle Motion), Friday, 7 September 2012 19:36 (twelve years ago)

If the '72-74 lineup reunited I would buy a ticket in about 5 seconds flat. Anything beyond that, I don't really care.

誤訳侮辱, Friday, 7 September 2012 19:46 (twelve years ago)

Pretty sure Cross & Wetton are the only ones game for that.

WARS OF ARMAGEDDON (Karaoke Version) (Sparkle Motion), Friday, 7 September 2012 19:51 (twelve years ago)

I'd be up for another outing of any other combination that the last 2 though (the Jakko one or previous I mean).

WARS OF ARMAGEDDON (Karaoke Version) (Sparkle Motion), Friday, 7 September 2012 19:52 (twelve years ago)

Fripp has such a narrow comfort range anymore that I wouldn't see him live unless he personally invited me into his living room to hear him play. I don't need the grief while he tries to figure out whether he can midwife any music.

How's My Modding? Call 1-800-SBU-RSELF (WmC), Friday, 7 September 2012 20:14 (twelve years ago)

Mentioned it before, but the last King Crimson tour I saw - Levin, Belew, Fripp, Mastelotto and the drummer from Porcupine Tree - really was awesome. There was a Fripp-less Crimson that toured with Dream Theater a couple of months ago. Believe it was basically Belew and his all-kid band, plus Levin and Mastelotto.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 7 September 2012 20:45 (twelve years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wpTOxb1nFw

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 7 September 2012 20:47 (twelve years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGJ_IC8OZMo&feature=relmfu

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 7 September 2012 20:47 (twelve years ago)

Looks like every one in a while on tour the drummer from Tool sat in for a few songs as second (third?) drummer.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 7 September 2012 20:51 (twelve years ago)

Why have Belew, Lake, Levin, Gunn, Wetton & Mastelotto never toured together? All of them seem quite happy to tour Crim material sans Fripp.

WARS OF ARMAGEDDON (Karaoke Version) (Sparkle Motion), Saturday, 8 September 2012 00:44 (twelve years ago)

Straightforward q: what do you guys reckon the best live version of 'Fracture'? I remembered the Asbury Park one killing it, but I just listened to it and was kinda not feeling it so much. Haven't dug out the live box in a while.

Lewis Apparition (Jon Lewis), Wednesday, 19 September 2012 19:08 (twelve years ago)

The Central Park show the from the folloeing day is to my mind the best, followed by the one of the 2 versions on the Great Deceiver, can't remember which one.

WARS OF ARMAGEDDON (Karaoke Version) (Sparkle Motion), Wednesday, 19 September 2012 19:32 (twelve years ago)

Thx

Lewis Apparition (Jon Lewis), Wednesday, 19 September 2012 20:12 (twelve years ago)

Central Park = one of the KCCC releases?

Lewis Apparition (Jon Lewis), Wednesday, 19 September 2012 20:13 (twelve years ago)

i would totally go see any lineup, even without fripp, again. missed the belew/levin retrospective lineup thing last time it went though. I would have loved to have seen 21st century schizoid band also (who jakko was in). I think jakko was the wrong person for fripp to bring in for that last release, he's too much of a follower; he's fine, but not distinctive in any way.

akm, Wednesday, 19 September 2012 20:58 (twelve years ago)

Maybe they should have brought in more anti-technique wild cards

This is to me what makes the Lark's Tongue era so great, the tightly wound Fripp-ness vs the wild Muir-ness and that friction is so incredible

My fave Muir playing is on Incus Music Improvisation Company lp https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Music_Improvisation_Company_1968%E2%80%931971

chr1sb3singer, Wednesday, 19 February 2025 15:42 (five months ago)

I think it's not a coincidence that the improv in the very brief Muir era of KC is top notch. Iirc the live shows from that massive "Larks" boxed set were full of surprises.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 19 February 2025 15:46 (five months ago)

I really don't think there was room for someone like that in the 80s band but it might've been cool to see what the 90's/00's band could've done with like, I dunno, a weirdo DJ in their midst

frogbs, Wednesday, 19 February 2025 16:07 (five months ago)

Or three DJs, each set up behind a drummer

Halfway there but for you, Wednesday, 19 February 2025 16:18 (five months ago)

...and none of them can hear what the other two are doing

Halfway there but for you, Wednesday, 19 February 2025 16:21 (five months ago)

Pere Ubu never really abandoned the whole "disrupting/commenting/contradicting synth player" element even when they were rocking a more mainstream-avant sound in the late 80s

Bendy, you're a fine girl (Jon not Jon), Wednesday, 19 February 2025 16:23 (five months ago)

What KC really needed in the 80s was an onstage mime artist

who are the spanish nickelback (Matt #2), Wednesday, 19 February 2025 16:28 (five months ago)

Though even Ubu mixed the synth low or out on single mixes. Every listener has their own line where "thrillingly spontaneous disruption" becomes "random extraneous sonic garbage".
I think the 1995-2003 Crimson was better when they were four rather than six pieces, maybe because the digital tools allowed for so much more sound from each player that a sextet was always getting in each other's way.

Halfway there but for you, Wednesday, 19 February 2025 16:52 (five months ago)

By the end Bill was getting pretty wacky and unconventional on his set. That's where you get stuff like "Industry."

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 19 February 2025 17:06 (five months ago)

two months pass...

Fripp recently had a heart attack. This week's Robert and Toyah video tells the whole story but he seems to be recovering fine.

birdistheword, Monday, 12 May 2025 02:55 (two months ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1m63V3KbyUY

birdistheword, Monday, 12 May 2025 02:59 (two months ago)

one month passes...

Jakko saying a final KC album may be on its way?

https://www.stereogum.com/2314598/king-crimson-recording-first-new-album-since-2003/news/

tbh I'm not convinced, reminds me of how Ralf Hutter has been saying for nearly two decades that another Kraftwerk album was being worked on, that said the latest incarnation actually did play some new songs live

frogbs, Wednesday, 9 July 2025 17:40 (three weeks ago)

They've certainly got an album's worth of material. It's a shame Rieflin isn't around to contribute.

Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Wednesday, 9 July 2025 17:45 (three weeks ago)

Beat live album coming in September, too.

A. Begrand, Wednesday, 9 July 2025 18:30 (three weeks ago)

now an album of new material by Beat, that would be really cool

normally I'd say no chance but the whole project was a remarkable success and Belew seems like the sort of dude who is writing songs constantly so who knows. I'm thinkin something with a monochrome green cover and a minimal design like the 80s KC albums...c'mon, so many people would flip their shit over that

frogbs, Wednesday, 9 July 2025 18:51 (three weeks ago)

a monochrome green cover and a minimal design like the 80s KC albums...c'mon, so many people would flip their shit over that

https://qc-ckb.s3.amazonaws.com/ilx/beatonthebrat.jpg

Elvis Telecom, Wednesday, 9 July 2025 21:07 (three weeks ago)

haha that would be brilliant but these guys already used an ugly AI generated elephant for everything and I don't think that will go away

also don't think Beat will wind up doing any new material, but who knows.

I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Wednesday, 9 July 2025 22:46 (three weeks ago)

Word from management:

Addressing the idea of some form of studio recording by the last incarnation of King Crimson, Bill Rieflin posed the excellent question “why make a studio album? There are excellent live recordings of all the songs out there already.”

One possible answer would be an album the very sound of which no-one has ever heard before. A sound driven by the three drummers. And those drummers have now recorded studio versions of their parts – separately, so that there is perfect separation.

So there is the seed of a new recording. Whether it is an album, whether it sees the light of day, whether it is something else is unknown. As is the outcome of any creative process.

So yes, recordings have taken place. Getting excited about the possibility of a new album, as has apparently been happening, is somewhat premature. Carts before horses.

Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Friday, 11 July 2025 16:09 (two weeks ago)

They should release an album that's just drums, then one that is just guitars, then one that is just bass/Stick and then pull a "Zaireeka."

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 11 July 2025 20:25 (two weeks ago)

Three Drum/House of Crimsun

Ward Fowler, Friday, 11 July 2025 20:36 (two weeks ago)

the very sound of which no-one has ever heard before. A sound driven by the three drummers

Ok lol

Jordan s/t (Jordan), Friday, 11 July 2025 20:38 (two weeks ago)

Fuck Everything, We're Doing Five BladesDrummers

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 11 July 2025 21:15 (two weeks ago)

I really want the next iteration to be one drummer, one bas and five Chapman sticks.

better than ezra collective soul asylum (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 11 July 2025 21:16 (two weeks ago)

People tend to forget about the ProjeKCts, which was all manner of combos. I saw one with Belew on drums the whole set! I know there are a few recordings out there of the tour:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69mHMg9JKaQ

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 11 July 2025 21:35 (two weeks ago)


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