MTV - classic or dud?

Haha, I haven't thought about Daisy Chainsaw in a long time. There used to be a vocal contingent of Queen Adreena fans on another message board I used to frequent years ago, it was quite a surprise when I made that connection.

There's even a Queen Adreena thread on here. Not a Daisy Chainsaw one (yet, at least):

Queen Adreena - gothic or dud

Queenadreena basically picks up right where Katie Jane-era Daisy Chainsaw left off, except some of the songs are much longer.

Whiney, I think I am just ambivalent about turning thirty two at the end of August.
You're making it too real.

and oh shit, my parents are getting back in town today, better clean up the house!

Man, would love to see some Sifl and Olly reruns; IMO that was the best of their weird homegrown TV shows

there was a noticeable lack of sifl and olly.

I have no idea how I LOVED sifl & Olly but loathe Tim & Eric.

socks imo

Sifl & Olly was just innocently funny. Tim & Eric is all *wink wink* "we're SOOOO clever!"

sifl and olly was just goofy fuck-around cable-access shit that somehow found its way on basic cable, like so much i loved in the '90s.

tim and eric is like...self-conscious art-comedy. or something

or what johnny f said.

sifl and olly also feels like the tail-end of a certain knowing-but-not-toxic '90s aesthetic whereas for better or worse tim and eric is VERY '00s.

sifl and olly was just goofy fuck-around cable-access shit that somehow found its way on basic cable, like so much i loved in the '90s.

fuck, remember ODDVILLE?

Was waiting and waiting for the Rosie Perez going bipolar on racism psa. it never came up.

hahaha jesus, oddville.

this just popped into my fb feed, speaking of

http://www.mtv.com/videos/misc/400665/jimmy-the-cab-driver-ironic.jhtml#id=1613860

I mean, i think the 90s were defined by this attitude of "lets do something cool and punky and a little arty, since we're lucky to be on the company dime for once and probably never again." It def defined like Spike Jones and Michel Gondry videos, TV shows like Mr. Show and Sifl&Olly, the design of Coop and Kozik, the careers of bands from Melvins up through Smashing Pumpkins.

The 00s are defined by entitled kids growing up with the EXPECTATION of their art validated by corporations, which is why Cool Kids will bend over backwards to have an Mountain Dew logo on their album cover, or Tim & Eric can make a whole show without any jokes.

In a way, Louis CK's new show is very 90s.

I bought Eleventeen and took it back to the store because it was too far out for me.
i did that with 36 Chambers :/

― james blood ulver (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, August 1, 2011 3:36 PM (58 minutes ago) Bookmark

:-o

lol i had NO IDEA that jimmy the cab driver was donal logue until right now

i think the 90s were defined by this attitude of "lets do something cool and punky and a little arty, since we're lucky to be on the company dime for once and probably never again."

agree with this btw. was definitely building throughout the '80s but yeah.

i think the 90s were defined by this attitude of "lets do something cool and punky and a little arty, since we're lucky to be on the company dime for once and probably never again."

http://www.metalmusicarchives.com/images/covers/green-jelly-cereal-killer.jpg

hoos, i was a huuuuuge rap nerd from 88 to 92. When I started getting my teenage identity-crisis growing pains in the wake of the Chronic, I felt like a music about inner city tribulations and smoking endo and whatever just wasn't being made FOR me. I didn't relate anymore. I needed Ministry and Faith No More or whatever

For a short while, I became a rockist (an alt-rockist, tbh) and by like age 15 or whatever, getting a CD of a bunch of dudes sitting around a microphone going "Yo Meth where my Killa Tape at God?" (what?!) just sounded like lazy, retarded, stupid bullshit to me.

Obviously, I changed my tune about a year later.

soto, we could probably have a whole thread of 90s "lets do something cool and punky and a little arty, since we're lucky to be on the company dime for once and probably never again."

lots of Britpop qualifies tbh

well i mean hell hype williams counts in this regard too

"In a way, Louis CK's new show is very 90s."

only if the next episode he goes skydiving with dan cortese while screaming, "I'm gonna dip my BALLS in it"

haha well in terms of "never being on the company dime again" i think we can say the state crew won, even if the victory gets a little pyrrhic at times.

A lot of those dudes are STILL on Viacom's dime!

yeah that's what i meant

i think

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prfRH01iG1U

has anyone ever seen Austin Stories since it was on? I'm curious how that holds up

most of them are also still not funny

xp

also agreed sifl and ollie were the shit

performance art, performance art...bringing mannequin parts...to the park

sifl and olly also feels like the tail-end of a certain knowing-but-not-toxic '90s aesthetic whereas for better or worse tim and eric is VERY '00s.

One of the things I noticed about T&E videos is that everything seemed so very deliberate, all their "screw-ups" seem very rehearsed, whereas S&O really did seem like "we have a week to make this, so we don't have time for re-writes or second takes". The "Songs of Season 1" disc is still a favorite of mine. I love how they did songs like "Gravy for Baby" which were only like half-thought out and seemed like you were hearing them trying it for the first time.

haha well in terms of "never being on the company dime again" i think we can say the state crew won, even if the victory gets a little pyrrhic at times.

I wanted to get on these guys for being such shitty directors, but it turns out that they know that movies like "Night at the Museum" are shit and do it anyway because it pays so well

the mtv wiki is filled with wonderful nuggets btw

The fact that at the time rock music fans were less materialists and bought less music based on television suggestion were cited as reasons that MTV abandoned its once staple music.

oh, i see.

has anyone ever seen Austin Stories since it was on? I'm curious how that holds up

I haven't, but one of my friends moved to LA and ended up being bffs with Chip. He's a cool guy.

woah!

As a result, MTV's viewers became familiar with the names of Spike Jonze, Michel Gondry, David Fincher, Samuel Bayer, Matt Mahurin, Mark Romanek, Jonathan Dayton and Valerie Faris, Anton Corbijn, Mark Pellington, Tarsem, Hype Williams, Jake Scott, Jonathan Glazer, Marcus Nispel, F. Gary Gray, Jim Yukich, Russell Mulcahy, Steve Barron and Marty Callner, among others.

terrifying to me how many of these people still delight/horrify us regularly at the cinema now.

list forgot Brett Ratner lol

Also, Gore Verbinski.

i do feel bad for all those kids who went to film school with me in the late '90s and assumed that directing music videos would continue to be a profitable career after they graduated.

or writing about music

"i knew you grew up thinking you'd get to make your own 'closer' one day, but ten years from now you'll be lucky to get a case of beer and a pat on the head for directing a best coast video that will be a one-day-only feature on pitchfork tv."

pitch... fork?

so i was just recounting to my friend the other day how i remember kurt loder reporting keith haring's death on mtv news in 1990 (even though i was six and it was the first time i'd ever heard of him, and looking back maybe the first time i ever heard of AIDS?), and it was weird for all of us to imagine that there was a time when mtv had a tentative finger on like downtown nyc art circles (even tho by the time he died i guess KH had become known worldwide for the berlin wall graffiti)

^^^surely the Haring ref was cuz of Madonna tbf

tho i do think a few downtown nyc types found their way onto mtv via bumper animations and the like in the '80s

the first time i ever heard of AIDS was like at age 7 when I wanted to be "blood brothers" with my best friend and he told me about new risks that made the age old ritual impossible

has that andy warhol show from the '80s ever found its way to the surface? there were only a couple of eps right?