MTV - classic or dud?

debbie gibson just introduced a cure song on club mtv, this channel was fucking awesome

i'm watching my DVR'd version. I think the Vh1 thing is over

I still have 8 hours left if you wanna come over

man, why did Daria feel so alienated? like half her classroom is pierced alternatypes. Live in some real suburbs, buddy.

was there ever a time when jimmy fallon was funny

there was a brief moment

some ppl wait a lifetime 4 a moment like this

http://i.imgur.com/OEwRG.png

XD

why did they dub this real world episode with a fake, non-copyright version of "Personal Jesus"? Did they snatch this footage from syndication or something. Vh1 has the fucking rights to play Depeche Mode all day long, this is an abortion

― james blood ulver (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, August 2, 2011 12:57 AM (3 hours ago) Bookmark

Apparently it got really expensive for them to do that or something. I'd be interested to learn more. Apparently one of the main things holding up the DVD release of The State were the songs. When it finally came out, all the scenes that had pop songs backing them were now saddled with generic equivalents. Like the one where Ben Garant runs around town pantsless while trying to meet ladies to the tune of the Breeders' Cannonball, arguably the most famous use of that song.

Yeah, I get that for DVDs, but like can't viacom play these songs forever on the channel?

That whole thing is kinda weird. I have no idea why it should be so difficult to license a song for TV use. I'm not sure who is losing money here.

There was a show called "Trigger Happy TV" that did it, replacing an entire soundtrack with soundalikes, they did a really good job too. I remember searching fruitlessly for hours for their version of "If You Could Read My Mind"

Ok, so I just looked at the Amazon reviews for the Real World DVD releases and there are complaints about the music being changed there as well. So I'm thinking that MTV either

a. didn't have rights to use those songs as background music in perpetuity in the first place
b. at some point absolved itself of those rights (for example, they declined to renew on some contract or something)
c. they still have the rights to use those songs in broadcast, but whoever was compiling the content this weekend just grabbed a Real World DVD because it was easier than finding the original footage.

My money is on c.

If you put out a CD/DVD etc with a song (where song equals "the original sound recording") on it, you have to pay mechanical royalties to the owners of that recording. If you print up a whole lot of the CD/DVD/etc you're releasing, that can get into some money; a mechanical royalty is a per-pressed-copy fee. For broadcast you usually pay a one-time synch, but any money collected on rebroadcast is via ASCAP/BMI/SESAC and doesn't cost the licensee anything. If you have somebody else record the song, you still have to work out payment with the authors of the song, but not necessarily with the owners of the recording (often the label), who tend to drive hard bargains/walk away from the table if they don't get an offer they like.

So there's a sort of c (1) option to kkvgz's possibilities: that, when interested parties couldn't work out an agreement, The Real World resynched their master tapes. This frankly seems probable to me; do that, then master DVDs from the copies we'll be airing with the re-synched music & fuck those assholes who didn't wanna play ball, easier than keeping two sets of masters in the warehouse = how I imagine television ppl's perspective

(Finally, agreements to synch music to a broadcast show can involve clauses like "the terms of this contract must be renewed after seven years; if terms are not renewed, licensee relinquishes" etc, and given the state of the record business and how labels and bands change staff/go under/switch managers/etc, it is probably a huge headache trying to hunt down the necessary signatures to renew the license. idk about this though because I assume that the re-recorded versions would also need some paperwork done.)

Well, I don't know about Whiney's "Personal Jesus" stand-in, but on the State DVDs, the replacement songs were not re-recorded versions, but entirely new, generic songs that were just similar in tone and feel.

But thank you for the music industry insights. It's really cool to learn about that kind of nuts-and-bolts stuff.

sure thing! I should probably add a "this is how I understand it anyway I could be wrong about some of this because it's stuff you figure out/research yourself as you go, not stuff ppl sit you down and explain to you"

those armageddon residuals are really working out for you, huh

When it was released on BlueRay, they had to replace it with a generic bossanova.

Oh man, Steven Tyler is destroying all of my images of the rock and roll industry. I thought all this stuff was taught to up-and-coming rockstars by Yo La Tengo and David Cross.

those armageddon residuals are really working out for you, huh

well that's the thing about mechanicals! they're gonna sell a lot of the Armageddon soundtrack; they want five 'smith tracks including "Sweet Emotion," a proven seller? kick ass, people, let's fuckin EAT: you're printing up a million copies because it's 1998 and we're all gonna be rich and successful forever, this business is bulletproof, the compulsory mechanical rate's 7.10 cents or 1.35 cents/min, that's 7.10 x 1,000,000 x5 (or maybe four, I forget if mechanicals are different for cover versions), you do that math, it means I Am Steven Tyler And I Get Money. didn't even have to get out of bed for that one iirc. waiter! my oysters!

idk about this though because I assume that the re-recorded versions would also need some paperwork done.)

― pathos of the unwarranted encore (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, August 2, 2011 10:09 AM (24 minutes ago)

re-recordings are for-hire deals so there's no need to negotiate, the standard compulsory license for covers takes care of the original rights owners

They used to do that on sitcoms in the 80s a lot.

What was the show with the twins? I remember they had a fake Bryan Adams "Run to You" playing and the girls were all "I love this song!"

There had to have been a point to that.

saw the fist hour of MTV stuff last nite, so cuet

forget about the song "little suzy's on the up" <3

they were really pushing stereo as a big new innovation

it's weird how you forget how close the early 80s were to the 70s, like before madonna's iconic "like a virgin" mtv awards performance dan akroyd introduces her with his tom synder impression

Apparently jumpsuits were very popular in 1981.

saw the fist hour of MTV stuff last nite

man, strongo was right, they really can get away with a lot these days!

it's weird how you forget how close the early 80s were to the 70s, like before madonna's iconic "like a virgin" mtv awards performance dan akroyd introduces her with his tom synder impression

I thought the same thing!!!

also a noticably wasted ronnie wood mugging behind david lee roth's acceptance speech for jump was funny.

there was a performance clip of styx doing "rockin' the paradise" that was literally the dorkiest thing i'd ever seen, man i can't believe that band was popular with kids

I liked that jangly Byrdsy song with a dumbass video about the end of a relationship.

As a kid, we went to the condo of one of my mom's friends. It was the first time my step-dad had seen MTV and he was just aghast that people paid for cable and still had to watch commercials.

dude was waaaay ahead of the curve when it came to entitled people and their staggering incredulity about paying money for content

should have saved that zing for when it followed

I liked that jangly Byrdsy song with a dumbass video about the end of a relationship.

― Trip Maker, Tuesday, August 2, 2011 10:35 AM (42 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

trip maker - yeah! robin lane and the chartbusters, that was great, never heard of that band ever

http://www.mtv.com/videos/robin-lane-the-chartbusters/98184/when-things-go-wrong.jhtml

I think I still have a VHS copy of the MTV Awards with the MJ kiss somewhere. That was also the one where Sandra Bullock was presenting with someone (I want to say Adam Sandler) and she misread the cue on the teleprompter and asked Adam what it was like to kiss Keanu Reeves. He handlded it pretty well and riffed about how safe he felt in Keanu's arms.

Something about this moment seemed staged to me... In a good way.

probably in that it was completely scripted

i just said that

No repeats of the Jenny McCarthy Show though.

Probably because it was fucking awful and no one wants to see it.

it's weird how you forget how close the early 80s were to the 70s, like before madonna's iconic "like a virgin" mtv awards performance dan akroyd introduces her with his tom synder impression

sorta like how now is pretty much still the 00's

Probably because it was fucking awful and no one wants to see it.

Wasn't really the standard VH1 was using in showing some of those old clips.

They played "Get Next To Jenny" from Spring Break :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ysyZF-DZFY&list=UUFRDjnACLA5vWxxLCC7elVQ&index=1&feature=plcp

but MTV plays music videos
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f3/AMTV.png

http://www.splicetoday.com/pop-culture/life-as-art

Michael Jordan tried to make Kennedy's virginity the stakes in a dice game, apparently:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/basketball/bulls/chi-mj-dice-kennedy-virginitiy-20130702,0,6933007.story

filet

https://archive.org/details/mtv-80s-vhs-full-recording-collection/

ahhh just came here to post that - so good