MTV - classic or dud?

My money is on c.

If you put out a CD/DVD etc with a song (where song equals "the original sound recording") on it, you have to pay mechanical royalties to the owners of that recording. If you print up a whole lot of the CD/DVD/etc you're releasing, that can get into some money; a mechanical royalty is a per-pressed-copy fee. For broadcast you usually pay a one-time synch, but any money collected on rebroadcast is via ASCAP/BMI/SESAC and doesn't cost the licensee anything. If you have somebody else record the song, you still have to work out payment with the authors of the song, but not necessarily with the owners of the recording (often the label), who tend to drive hard bargains/walk away from the table if they don't get an offer they like.

So there's a sort of c (1) option to kkvgz's possibilities: that, when interested parties couldn't work out an agreement, The Real World resynched their master tapes. This frankly seems probable to me; do that, then master DVDs from the copies we'll be airing with the re-synched music & fuck those assholes who didn't wanna play ball, easier than keeping two sets of masters in the warehouse = how I imagine television ppl's perspective

(Finally, agreements to synch music to a broadcast show can involve clauses like "the terms of this contract must be renewed after seven years; if terms are not renewed, licensee relinquishes" etc, and given the state of the record business and how labels and bands change staff/go under/switch managers/etc, it is probably a huge headache trying to hunt down the necessary signatures to renew the license. idk about this though because I assume that the re-recorded versions would also need some paperwork done.)

Well, I don't know about Whiney's "Personal Jesus" stand-in, but on the State DVDs, the replacement songs were not re-recorded versions, but entirely new, generic songs that were just similar in tone and feel.

But thank you for the music industry insights. It's really cool to learn about that kind of nuts-and-bolts stuff.

sure thing! I should probably add a "this is how I understand it anyway I could be wrong about some of this because it's stuff you figure out/research yourself as you go, not stuff ppl sit you down and explain to you"

those armageddon residuals are really working out for you, huh

When it was released on BlueRay, they had to replace it with a generic bossanova.

Oh man, Steven Tyler is destroying all of my images of the rock and roll industry. I thought all this stuff was taught to up-and-coming rockstars by Yo La Tengo and David Cross.

those armageddon residuals are really working out for you, huh

well that's the thing about mechanicals! they're gonna sell a lot of the Armageddon soundtrack; they want five 'smith tracks including "Sweet Emotion," a proven seller? kick ass, people, let's fuckin EAT: you're printing up a million copies because it's 1998 and we're all gonna be rich and successful forever, this business is bulletproof, the compulsory mechanical rate's 7.10 cents or 1.35 cents/min, that's 7.10 x 1,000,000 x5 (or maybe four, I forget if mechanicals are different for cover versions), you do that math, it means I Am Steven Tyler And I Get Money. didn't even have to get out of bed for that one iirc. waiter! my oysters!

idk about this though because I assume that the re-recorded versions would also need some paperwork done.)

― pathos of the unwarranted encore (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, August 2, 2011 10:09 AM (24 minutes ago)

re-recordings are for-hire deals so there's no need to negotiate, the standard compulsory license for covers takes care of the original rights owners

They used to do that on sitcoms in the 80s a lot.

What was the show with the twins? I remember they had a fake Bryan Adams "Run to You" playing and the girls were all "I love this song!"

There had to have been a point to that.

saw the fist hour of MTV stuff last nite, so cuet

forget about the song "little suzy's on the up" <3

they were really pushing stereo as a big new innovation

it's weird how you forget how close the early 80s were to the 70s, like before madonna's iconic "like a virgin" mtv awards performance dan akroyd introduces her with his tom synder impression

Apparently jumpsuits were very popular in 1981.

saw the fist hour of MTV stuff last nite

man, strongo was right, they really can get away with a lot these days!

it's weird how you forget how close the early 80s were to the 70s, like before madonna's iconic "like a virgin" mtv awards performance dan akroyd introduces her with his tom synder impression

I thought the same thing!!!

also a noticably wasted ronnie wood mugging behind david lee roth's acceptance speech for jump was funny.

there was a performance clip of styx doing "rockin' the paradise" that was literally the dorkiest thing i'd ever seen, man i can't believe that band was popular with kids

I liked that jangly Byrdsy song with a dumbass video about the end of a relationship.

As a kid, we went to the condo of one of my mom's friends. It was the first time my step-dad had seen MTV and he was just aghast that people paid for cable and still had to watch commercials.

dude was waaaay ahead of the curve when it came to entitled people and their staggering incredulity about paying money for content

should have saved that zing for when it followed

I liked that jangly Byrdsy song with a dumbass video about the end of a relationship.

― Trip Maker, Tuesday, August 2, 2011 10:35 AM (42 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

trip maker - yeah! robin lane and the chartbusters, that was great, never heard of that band ever

http://www.mtv.com/videos/robin-lane-the-chartbusters/98184/when-things-go-wrong.jhtml

I think I still have a VHS copy of the MTV Awards with the MJ kiss somewhere. That was also the one where Sandra Bullock was presenting with someone (I want to say Adam Sandler) and she misread the cue on the teleprompter and asked Adam what it was like to kiss Keanu Reeves. He handlded it pretty well and riffed about how safe he felt in Keanu's arms.

Something about this moment seemed staged to me... In a good way.

probably in that it was completely scripted

i just said that

No repeats of the Jenny McCarthy Show though.

Probably because it was fucking awful and no one wants to see it.

it's weird how you forget how close the early 80s were to the 70s, like before madonna's iconic "like a virgin" mtv awards performance dan akroyd introduces her with his tom synder impression

sorta like how now is pretty much still the 00's

Probably because it was fucking awful and no one wants to see it.

Wasn't really the standard VH1 was using in showing some of those old clips.

They played "Get Next To Jenny" from Spring Break :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ysyZF-DZFY&list=UUFRDjnACLA5vWxxLCC7elVQ&index=1&feature=plcp

but MTV plays music videos
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f3/AMTV.png

http://www.splicetoday.com/pop-culture/life-as-art

Michael Jordan tried to make Kennedy's virginity the stakes in a dice game, apparently:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/basketball/bulls/chi-mj-dice-kennedy-virginitiy-20130702,0,6933007.story

filet

https://archive.org/details/mtv-80s-vhs-full-recording-collection/

ahhh just came here to post that - so good

i was reading a piece on "the marshall mathers LP" when the author mentioned this program. i don't think i've thought about it once in 20 years. it was like being teleported back to being 9 years old and watching cable in my friend's basement. sort of nauseating tbh

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0o7AEb5agrc

When that would come on (after Beavis & Butt-head or Daria), I couldn’t change the channel fast enough.

(I was 19, not 9, but same diff)

otm

Oh god, so that led me down the rabbit hole of discovering The Wondergirls, a "supergroup" that was assembled for the Celebrity Deathmatch soundtrack (which I also had no idea existed).

Get a load of this lineup!

Ken Andrews (Failure) – guitar, synth
Ian Astbury (The Cult) – vocals, guitar, harmonica, percussion
Doug Ardito (Puddle of Mudd) – keyboards
Jay Gordon (Orgy) – vocals, synth
Martyn LeNoble (Porno for Pyros) – bass guitar
Shannon Leto (30 Seconds to Mars) – drums
Mark McGrath (Sugar Ray) – vocals
Ryan Shuck (Orgy) – guitar
Troy Van Leeuwen (A Perfect Circle/QOTSA) – guitar
Scott Weiland (STP) – vocals, keyboards
Ashley Hamilton (actor, known for Beethoven's 2nd) - vocals
Chris Lloyd (???) - guitar

MTV is going to hell for this pic.twitter.com/m4CWniQiIT

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