Long Fin Killie - Classic or Dud?

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'rhino' and 'vanilla' were on a three 7-inch set that came out between the first and second albums.

it was
blue vinyl-
a-rhino
b-home erectus
red vinyl-
a-heads of dead surfers
b-flower carrier(pruned version)
white vinyl-
a-vanilla
b-love smothers allergy


i have no other b-sides.

keith m (keithmcl), Monday, 10 May 2004 00:36 (twenty years ago) link

both are real aggressive sounding. i imagine they were recorded for the first album but they didn't fit in with the mellowness. not as sharp as the second album, both songs are fantastic.

keith m (keithmcl), Monday, 10 May 2004 00:46 (twenty years ago) link

Nice. Now that you mention it, I vaguely recall something about it. Off to A Certain File Sharing Site for me...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 10 May 2004 00:48 (twenty years ago) link

The single version of "Lipstick" isn't the original; it's a remix by Grant MacNamara. The original is the one of the LP.

Keith Watson (kmw), Monday, 10 May 2004 20:30 (twenty years ago) link

That said; you've obviously got a different single to me, since mine's got "Lipstick (original)" on the b-side!

Keith Watson (kmw), Monday, 10 May 2004 20:35 (twenty years ago) link

Ned, stop saying 'nice'.

Sick Nouthall (Nick Southall), Monday, 10 May 2004 20:51 (twenty years ago) link

k-thanx for all the b-side info - still gotta go & scour s**k. re: the LFK:prog connection, I remember stumbling across this, the author of which has some . . . v.different reference points from the ILM/LostGen massive?

oh, & has anyone picked up LS's new novel, Venus As A Boy? I've managed to grab 2ndhand copies of his first two (even I've been deferring the pleasure of reading them) from my work . . .

etc, Monday, 10 May 2004 21:00 (twenty years ago) link

I would be exceedingly interested in a copy of this LFK b-side collection, should anyone find copies of them all. I've had no luck on slsk trying to find any.

This is one of my favourite bands, and was for a long time in part due to their mystery. Back in the day of CDNow(this was 97, maybe?does it still exist in any form?), I'd use the 'similar artists' link to find lots of bands, and eventually heard several 30 second RealAudio clips from Amelia, largely because I loved the cover so much. I saved the clips from 'British Summertime', 'Kismet' and 'Sugar Helping', constantly wondering what happened to the songs, what the whole album was, where the band was from, whether they were still around, and whether I could ever find an album. I eventually tracked down all three used, and wasn't disappointed a bit.

Long Fin Killie is like Suzanne Vega for me, in that I was so proud of enjoying and having discovered them in high school, to the piint that I can't be objective. Oh, and then Bows came out just as I was into Portishead and Hooverphonic and Curve and I swooned for Luke Sutherland all over again.

Valentino is probably my favourite. It's more muscular, in a sense, and maybe their most confident. The title track is the best example of barely restrained sexual anger I can think of in a song, without being cartoonish. There are undoubted classics on Houdini too, though. Lamberton Lamplighter, of course, and Love Smothers Allergy, Hollywood Gem..

yeah. CLASSIC.

derrick (derrick), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 03:32 (twenty years ago) link

two years pass...
DOES LOUIS JAGGER LIKE LONG FIN KILLIE?

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Friday, 2 February 2007 13:19 (seventeen years ago) link

I HAVEN'T HEARD THEM YET, BUT FROM WHAT I'VE READ 'HOUDINI' SOUNDS LIKE A GOOD BUY

DUDE PLAYS SOME NICE VIOLIN IN A FEW MOGWAI SONGS

to scour or to pop? (Haberdager), Friday, 2 February 2007 13:22 (seventeen years ago) link

omg, reading this thread, ESPECIALLY the following extract: a perfect fusion of pastoral prog and shoegaze/UK post-rock, i suddenly have an incredible desire to hear them.

to scour or to pop? (Haberdager), Friday, 2 February 2007 13:25 (seventeen years ago) link

Don't forget the lyrics. Such a great turn of phrase on the fella

Hell Hath No Furry (DJ Mencap), Friday, 2 February 2007 13:27 (seventeen years ago) link

this sounds immense

to scour or to pop? (Haberdager), Friday, 2 February 2007 13:30 (seventeen years ago) link

Sutherland's a bona fide genius.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Friday, 2 February 2007 13:31 (seventeen years ago) link

Also, by Amelia, they totally slaughtered Bloc Party at their own fast-paced social-comment black-gay-singer amazing-drummer art-rock game.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Friday, 2 February 2007 13:32 (seventeen years ago) link

paging Amazon.co.uk

to scour or to pop? (Haberdager), Friday, 2 February 2007 13:33 (seventeen years ago) link

'Houdini' has some well juicy track-times!

(It's true; I often pre-judge records a little based upon the relative lengths of the songs...)

to scour or to pop? (Haberdager), Friday, 2 February 2007 13:47 (seventeen years ago) link

Amelia's one of the few late '90s rock albums I still play with any regularity.

Andy_K (Andy_K), Friday, 2 February 2007 13:57 (seventeen years ago) link

Houdini is wicked. I am writing a piece about it right now as an antidote to Bloc Party.

Amelia is also ace although I know it less well. Valentino I just ordered.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Friday, 2 February 2007 13:58 (seventeen years ago) link

I just ordered Houdini. WHICH WILL ARRIVE FIRST??!?!?!??!???!??!!??!??!?

to scour or to pop? (Haberdager), Friday, 2 February 2007 14:11 (seventeen years ago) link

I haven't really got much time for girls
Don't get me wrong now
Don't get me wrong now
It's just my nights are occupied with lighting
These damn lamps
???
Oh, and night's a time for courting for girls
Night's a time for courting for girls
Isn't it?

I've been propositioned by girls before
On me lamp rounds
Oh yes, I have
But I'm at pains to explain it's not my line of trade
Buying flowers and chocolate mice
It's just the thought of commitment's totally wild
Any sort of commitment's out of order
Isn't it?

I've had some girls come up to me
Who said it won't take that long
Just a quick one up the back
One for the road
And I'm at pains to explain I'm not that type of guy
Send the sulking (?) bitches on their way

I seem to have a lot more time for guys
Don't get me wrong now
Don't get me wrong now
It's just their wit and charm and conversation
Captures youth and that's the truth
Oh and youth's the time when cares traipse free...

I've had some girls come up to me
Who said it won't take that long
Just a quick one up the back
One for the road
And I'm at pains to explain I'm not that type of guy
Send the sulking (?) bitches on their way

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Friday, 2 February 2007 14:11 (seventeen years ago) link

I also ordered Buttergut and Blush by Bows.

Louis do you like LOOSE FUR?

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Friday, 2 February 2007 14:12 (seventeen years ago) link

I like Wilco's last two studio albums, I haven't investigated Loose Fur really. Why, they good?

to scour or to pop? (Haberdager), Friday, 2 February 2007 14:13 (seventeen years ago) link

Their single from the second album I kinda found simplistic and forgettable.

to scour or to pop? (Haberdager), Friday, 2 February 2007 14:14 (seventeen years ago) link

Loose Fur are my favourite default listening lately. I think you'd wank yourself sore over Wreckroom from the last album, or any of the krauty jams on the first.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Friday, 2 February 2007 14:15 (seventeen years ago) link

OK, shall have a reccy.

to scour or to pop? (Haberdager), Friday, 2 February 2007 14:17 (seventeen years ago) link

NICK, do YOU like CARDIACS?

to scour or to pop? (Haberdager), Friday, 2 February 2007 14:18 (seventeen years ago) link

I dunno. Sell 'em to me.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Friday, 2 February 2007 14:19 (seventeen years ago) link

Well, they formed in the late-70's but didn't write their masterpiece (double-album Sing To God) until 1995. They're a band who don't really care for linear song structures; in fact, they direct a song in whichever way takes their (vast) imaginations. At their peak the lead singer/rhythm guitarist Tim Smith was able to mix punky, thrashy guitars with beautiful, melodious synth ambience at the drop of a hat, playing around with (awesome) nonsense lyrics (that probably have insanely complicated hidden meanings) and writing some of the most liberated, high-energy, uncomplacent music I've ever heard. Imagine a more rockin' Fiery Furnaces if the Fiery Furnaces were really, really, really fucking good.

I don't quite have your music-selling skills, however, Nick (the sentence from the 'This New Day' review about widescreen guitar explosions = I WANT RECORD), so I'll let the band do the talking.

This is a fucking religious experience.

http://www.youtube.com/wat
ch?v=KpEe0ztq2ck

to scour or to pop? (Haberdager), Friday, 2 February 2007 14:26 (seventeen years ago) link

erm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KpEe0ztq2ck

to scour or to pop? (Haberdager), Friday, 2 February 2007 14:26 (seventeen years ago) link

I fucking hate Fiery Furnaces.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Friday, 2 February 2007 14:29 (seventeen years ago) link

Also Cardiacs albums are all about £50 second hand on Amazon. Fuck that with a blowfish.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Friday, 2 February 2007 14:30 (seventeen years ago) link

Well, IMAGINE THEY WERE GOOD is what I'm saying, it's a leap of faith and also not a very good comparison, it's just that I'm struggling to think of bands who've attempted the sort of leap-about madness that is the Cardiacs' preserve.

Oh, hang on...

cringing excesses of Mansun's 'Six' (Haberdager), Friday, 2 February 2007 14:31 (seventeen years ago) link

I could do what another ILX poster did to me and send copies of their albums by post. The best way to spread the word.

You can also get their albums cheaply from their own website.

to scour or to pop? (Haberdager), Friday, 2 February 2007 14:32 (seventeen years ago) link

I love love love Houdini.

Sing to God is my least favourite Cardiacs album (tho I'm not sure this is the right thread to announce this).

a nuclear-powered carrot (braveclub), Friday, 2 February 2007 14:33 (seventeen years ago) link

All the renowned ones are out of stock on their own site!

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Friday, 2 February 2007 14:34 (seventeen years ago) link

crikey nick, just watch the damn Youtube video already...

to scour or to pop? (Haberdager), Friday, 2 February 2007 14:35 (seventeen years ago) link

Wait I meant Valentino, not Houdini, duh.

a nuclear-powered carrot (braveclub), Friday, 2 February 2007 14:36 (seventeen years ago) link

I can't watch Youtube at work! I fucking hate Youtube.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Friday, 2 February 2007 14:38 (seventeen years ago) link

hmm.

http://download.yousendit.com/DE7C8DC44EE79F97

http://download.yousendit.com/FCD2053C3B705000

have also sent these to yr address. consider them a taster.

to scour or to pop? (Haberdager), Friday, 2 February 2007 14:44 (seventeen years ago) link

Cheers dude.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Friday, 2 February 2007 14:46 (seventeen years ago) link

i beat both of you, because i just dug-out my never listened to copy of Houdini on the strength of this thread (i'm currently flogging all my cds, which is why i'm finding so much unlistened to stuff right now). looking forward to it.

toby (tsg20), Friday, 2 February 2007 15:06 (seventeen years ago) link

Man I just listened to Valentino a few days ago driving around downtown Nashville - bouncing around in my car playing air percussion. I'm a bit bummed though cause I can't locate my copy of Houdini. Anywho those two albums were all I heard but they were something special.

Classic indeed.

Sir Echo (Sir Echo), Friday, 2 February 2007 15:18 (seventeen years ago) link

the drum and bass-y songs on Amelie don't sit well with me.

artdamages (artdamages), Friday, 2 February 2007 17:14 (seventeen years ago) link

yeah, he did that stuff better on the bows records

kyle (akmonday), Friday, 2 February 2007 17:51 (seventeen years ago) link

I think it's really cool to see someone mentioning this band. I really flipped about them at the time, but the misogyny of lines like "send the bitches on their way" was a real turnoff and I quit paying attention. They had a good sound, though.

A Tiny Footpath (Bimble...), Saturday, 3 February 2007 04:02 (seventeen years ago) link

Wasn't that the point of the lyric: it's in character of someone repressing his homosexuality leading to misogyny.

barnaby69 (barnaby68), Saturday, 3 February 2007 13:30 (seventeen years ago) link

he's about as politically correct as you can get.

keyth (keyth), Saturday, 3 February 2007 14:21 (seventeen years ago) link

seven months pass...

I just dug out my copy of Houdini because I've been listening to a lot of AR Kane lately and was reminded of LFK. I'm glad others noted the connection, I think for it's the vocals that made the association most immediately. The most amusing part of this is that when I originally picked up the Buttergut EP when it was originally released, I loved the music but found the vocals to be a complete turn-off. Now, the vocals and lyrics are one of the most compelling parts of the record for me. Who says people don't change?

Regardless, this is a completely classic album and it's a shame that it's so thoroughly out of print and unavailable. I never picked up the follow-up albums but just scored them from emusic.

How are Sutherland's novels?

Bill in Chicago, Thursday, 27 September 2007 02:04 (seventeen years ago) link

two months pass...

If someone were to ask me right now, I'd name LFK as my favourite band, I think.

Scik Mouthy, Wednesday, 19 December 2007 08:25 (sixteen years ago) link

Saw LFK live way back when and liked 'em but haven't played the albums in ages. I should though. I should check out Rev Magnetic songs too

curmudgeon, Monday, 4 June 2018 20:25 (six years ago) link

two months pass...

Stuart Braithwaite was on 6music earlier and mentioned that Rev Magnetic had just joined Rock Action.

michaellambert, Thursday, 9 August 2018 19:21 (six years ago) link

four months pass...

New Rev Magnetic song:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCit3jqPhy8

michaellambert, Tuesday, 8 January 2019 22:17 (five years ago) link

four months pass...

Album ('Versus Universe') out today, listening now and very much enjoying it. Nothing's hit me as immediately as "Like No Girl That Ever Was" (not on the album) but that set a pretty high bar. Maybe Bows re-cast as a rock band?

michaellambert, Friday, 10 May 2019 19:43 (five years ago) link

Looking forward to hearing it. Few months late on the last single:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MuW7hYEFOI

etc, Friday, 10 May 2019 22:15 (five years ago) link

seven months pass...

Valentino is probably my favourite. It's more muscular, in a sense, and maybe their most confident. The title track is the best example of barely restrained sexual anger I can think of in a song, without being cartoonish.

― derrick (derrick), Monday, May 10, 2004 11:32 PM (fifteen years ago) bookmarkflaglink

"coward" is all time

reggie (qualmsley), Monday, 6 January 2020 20:39 (four years ago) link

one year passes...

Listening to Houdini for the first time in about twenty years.... and it still transports me. LS's lyrics.... the music.... instrumentation... a truly timeless album. Won't be twenty more before I pull this one out again.

co11ective, Wednesday, 26 May 2021 20:39 (three years ago) link

one year passes...

lol listened to this band for the first time the other day and I, too, thought:

DOES l0u1s jagg3r LIKE LONG FIN KILLIE?
― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Friday, February 2, 2007 7:19 AM (sixteen years ago) bookmarkflaglink

jaymc, Tuesday, 7 February 2023 14:01 (one year ago) link

Nice mark e smith cameo

CerebralCaustic, Tuesday, 7 February 2023 14:09 (one year ago) link

The Heads of Dead Surfers is all time imo.

Fizzles, Tuesday, 14 February 2023 19:19 (one year ago) link

three months pass...

Random Sunday morning thought: what's Sutherland up to these days?

djh, Sunday, 28 May 2023 08:45 (one year ago) link

well, as of a year ago:

https://lyceum.org.uk/whats-on/production/luke-sutherland-composing-stories-workshop

henry s, Monday, 29 May 2023 00:26 (one year ago) link

I didn’t know he was in Mogwai. I see even his Wikipedia page only spends two sentences on LFK… :/

Day 1 fan (morrisp), Monday, 29 May 2023 06:45 (one year ago) link

(In fairness, the band does have its own entry)

Day 1 fan (morrisp), Monday, 29 May 2023 06:46 (one year ago) link

nine months pass...

Stef Smith
@stefsmith
·
Mar 7
The news is out! I'll be adapting @amy_may's stunning memoir The Outrun.

Directed by @vicfeatherstone and with an epic new score from Luke Sutherland. Thankful to all of them for being up for the adventure. Humbled, nervous, excited. See you in August 💙 x.com/edintfest/stat…

djh, Tuesday, 12 March 2024 22:52 (seven months ago) link

Luke Sutherland has a new band, Rev Magnetic. Not sure if they're doing anything just now, but worth checking out. https://revmagnetic.bandcamp.com/music

He was also a regular at Tony Bevan's free improv matinee, Help Me I'm Melting. I've not been in a while as I've left Glasgow, but he was always great. Beautiful guitarist and he'd also do processed vocal stuff, bringing an r 'n b sensibility into free music.

Composition 40b (Stew), Wednesday, 13 March 2024 17:41 (seven months ago) link

Rev Magnetic album came out in 2019.

On the Rev Magnetic Facebook page it says that in April 2023- Long Player. Jer Reid and Luke Sutherland will play for 7 hours. A working day. Beyond a working day. It’s an open studio. An invitation for you to dance, draw, sit, listen, speak into the mic provided. Come and go as you like

Not seeing any new posts on the band's Instagram page since February 2023

So I guess Sutherland is busy with that score djh mentioned

curmudgeon, Thursday, 14 March 2024 05:07 (seven months ago) link

Missed the RM posts from a while back. Think everyone has various projects/family stuff going on, but hopefully there's more to come.

That Long Player with Jer sounds great - wish I'd caught it.

Composition 40b (Stew), Thursday, 14 March 2024 09:43 (seven months ago) link

one month passes...

happy to hear he is a Hawkwind fan -

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/24293022.luke-sutherland-olivia-colman-rise-right-cat-videos/

stirmonster, Saturday, 4 May 2024 11:42 (six months ago) link

Great little interview - would love to hear his soundtrack to Dovzhenko's Earth!

https://edinburghtradfest.com/schedule/2024/5/11/earth

etc, Monday, 6 May 2024 20:34 (six months ago) link

Interesting interview and him doing that soundtrack Saturday May 11!

curmudgeon, Friday, 10 May 2024 20:07 (six months ago) link


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