Sonic Youth: Classic or Dud/S&D?

murph: sophisticated center

lee is freed pig

i do like lee songs tbh

we all do tbh

i like shelley and not least because of his no doubt phenomenally patient role in early cat power

Kim...Lee...Thurston..............the drummer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHRTxSY_EwQ

I-I'm gonna move down to Florida.
And I'm gonna bowl me a-a perfect game.
I'm gon' cut off my leg down in Florida.
And I'm gonna dance one-legged off in the rain.

Well they say that Sidney Poitier was a blind man.
And they say that LBJ was a Soviet Jew.
I said that when I go down to Florida ways,
They're ain't no kind of sexual healing that I would not, should not,
or could not do, except this right here:

Well I'm movin' down to Florida.
And you know that I'm gonna hafta potty train the chairman Mao.
And I'm gonna make the governor write my doodoo a letter, child.
And then I'm gonna grind me a White Castle slider out of India's sacred cow.

Well, I'm goin down to Florida, child.
And I'm gonna build me the atomic bomb.
I'm gonna hold time hostage down in Florida, child.
Ain't nobody - ain't nobody gonna tell me what to do. Stepchild.

By this time I guess you've figured out about Florida.
Turn the muddy water into Vaseline stains.
They be makin' tadpoles the size of Mercuries in Florida.
That be tellin' Julio Iglesias what to sing, now.
Well, whoever said that Sidney Poitier was a blind man,
Knew the same of Elvis Presley, too.
'cause all the sausages that dance like Ray Bolger on the hood of a car in a traffic jam
Know just exactly.. what to do. Right here:

Well I be goin' to Florida.
Pole cats sit back in the Seminole sand.
You know when I'm in Florida,
Just like Vince, I want it all.
Well I went down to Florida.
I got hurt.
So I took all the children down to Florida.
We start to get down in the dirt.
Well I'm never going back to Florida
That's why I'm movin today
When I settle down in Florida,
I'm gonna explode the whole damn Tampa Bay.
Get that boy to Florida,
And teach him what to do.

dang prolly gon get suggest bans for this

lee's big song-based solo album is already on the way in early '12, so we got that goin for us

Aw yeah, that's excellent news!

bummmmmer.
oh well, in 30 years, they probably spent more time together than most married couples do in 50 years. maybe it's just time for some space. will be weird if the band continues, but i'll still go see 'em what the hell.

The timing on this isn't particularly great (going on tonight in NYC): http://www.mcnallyjackson.com/event/henry-rollins-conversation-thurston-moore

Shit, I bet that hall filled up fast if people got the news in time.

i imagine if the conversation goes there at all rollins will just sit and make a confused face pondering the idea of being married for 30 years in the first place

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUGDZ9e08PI

man, internet reaction to this has been p embarrassing so far. OMG THEY SEPARATING LIKE A NORMAL COUPLE

kid is college-aged, isn't that a pretty ok time to separate?

This make me sad but I sincerely hope they have peace of mind about the break up.

So you all spent the downtime in mourning and lighting candles, then.

Yep, and sang plaintively to said candle: "Tonight's the day, *sob* candle."

An interesting reaction (from the comments section of his "Expert Witness" blog):

Robert Christgau (Xgau) Fri 9:42 PM

FWIW, I was surprised and saddened by Kim and Thurston's breakup, but not quite shocked. There was always more separation in their domestic arrangements than I was personally comfortable with, although in that I know my standards are at least as eccentric as theirs were. There were also always many hints of discord in their lyrics and pronouncements, and while I do my best never to take lyrics biographically, there's always gonna be leakage in that vow.
Ira and Georgia, on the other hand, would break my heart.

"Tonight's the day, *sob* candle."

LOL

in less soap opera- news, this is sounding cool!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U76XHPAWddw&sns=fb

that's alan licht playing second guitar right?

The SY side on the three lobed box is great. First thing they've done that's interested me since the SYR stuff I think.

would like to hear that three lobed thing. sold out, right? can you buy it digitally?
another lee tune
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MBHDJYw1sA&NR=1

so psyched for the Lee album

sounds pretty nice to me -- guitar interplay is great. always wondered why he'd never made a straightforward solo album ...

I would've thought they'd reconciled in the four-day interim.

I was kinda surprised/bummed to hear this, they seemed like such an institution

So does anyone have an idea of figure a guess as to why there aren't more Lee tunes on the albums?

Or least Lee songs that he definitely sings etc

Just for a long time it was the Thurston/Kim/Lee show really and for a lot of people his songs were the album highlights, I thought he would be more assertive at least from a singer/songwriter point of view, as much as we can make sense of their writing processes. Maybe as a group dynamic there's something in the way they work, or worked, that he understands and plays up to.

So does anyone have an idea of figure a guess as to why there aren't more Lee tunes on the albums?

I don't know the band's dynamic well. Is he an equal partner or a George to whom they cede one or two okay to pretty good tracks per record?

(I'm no Ranaldo fan but "Hoarfrost" and "Hey Joni" are two of my favorite SY tracks)

I've just decided that I'm gonna see this 'last' show.

I don't know who the fuck these two think they are. Lindsey Buckingham and Stevie Nicks still go through the Method acting motions of "inhabiting" "Go Your Own Way" on stage.

Lindsey and Stevie were together for less than a decade fwiw

when they were young and stupid and didn't have children

the Goodbye 20th Century book has a bit of detail about the role Lee and his songs play in the band, particularly the whole ordeal where he almost quit the band when one of the two songs he wrote for Dirty, "Genetic" was cut from the record (which i'm glad didn't happen, but his anger was definitely justified, that's a great song and Dirty has several subpar Thurston/Kim songs). apparently he tended to bring in semi-complete songs and Kim felt he wasn't as collaborative about them as they were with their other songs, and there was still some lingering idea of how SY started as 'Thurston's band playing his and Kim's songs'. bear in mind they were together for 5+ years before Lee did lead vocals on a song, and even then it was kind of a spoken word track and it was a couple more years until his singing/songwriting really blossomed.

in any event i got the impression that post-Jet Set his songs have been a little more valued in terms of album/set list placement and i've never gotten the sense he's writing a ton of songs and they're just not being used by SY (iirc "Genetic" and one Goo outtake are the only songs he's brought in that were not included on albums). i mean he's released tons of solo records that are mostly noise or spoken word or sound collage, so he's probably just not that prolific as a songwriter, which is kind of why him doing a whole solo album of songs now is so exciting.

ILX goes down and the whole world goes to crap. TBH, I don't know how couples make it as long as they did - 27 years, right? - and then decide to split, but one can surmise the reasons were totally banal.

Kim didn't approve of Thurston's "guitar tunings."

More likely she didn't like his choice of tech, if you get my drift.

despite the massive amount of music they've made, the idea that I may not have a new SY record to look forward to depresses me.

seriously. even the 3 years between the last couple kind of made me impatient! i'd gotten very comfortable with the idea that i had a favorite band that would be making good or great albums every 2 years for a long long time.

God, man, a near 30-year run wasn't good enough for you?

i was only a fan for a little over half of it! but yeah the point is it's easy to feel spoiled as an SY fan. there's been at least one or two worthwhile side project/solo albums a year for a while too, at least that will definitely continue if they split.

Kim didn't approve of Thurston's "guitar tunings."

LOL

one can surmise the reasons were totally banal.

nope

What does that mean? Kim has joined an alien worshipping cult and is about to move off-planet?

Kim's gone back to Danny Elfman, Oingo Boingo to reform with her on bass?