Search And Destroy: Afghan Whigs

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Mookieproof -- where were you in the Cat tonight? I was up front on the left with some friends of mine.

Also, did you stay for the second encore?

j.lu (j.lu), Saturday, 15 November 2003 07:40 (twenty-one years ago) link

I like the 2nd Twilight album. Whoever reviewed it as "pomp rock" was dead on. I am seeing him Monday night. My first Dulli encounter.

bnw (bnw), Saturday, 15 November 2003 08:02 (twenty-one years ago) link

Whoever reviewed it as "pomp rock" was dead on.

Last night Dulli praised The Darkness. And I so wished I had my cigarette lighter when they played "Faded."

j.lu (j.lu), Saturday, 15 November 2003 19:02 (twenty-one years ago) link

I keep meaning to give the second TS album another try but I think the problem is I like the original so much, that I'm disappointed he didn't head further into that direction. Black Love (esp. "Faded" and "Bulletproof") is the awesome god of pomp.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 15 November 2003 19:04 (twenty-one years ago) link

I was kind of hoping for more R&B flavor. (What I especially love about 'Clyde' on the 1st album is that as soon as that beat starts up, people will look at you like you put on a porno.) The low point of the Blackberry Belle has to be the 'dark side of the moon' ending with the woman screeching. Ick.

bnw (bnw), Saturday, 15 November 2003 21:13 (twenty-one years ago) link

This is probably one of the more on the pipe things I could say but I think that Justin Timberlake would KILL to make an album like the first Twilight Singers album. He'd be all "oooh I actually sound like an adult!"

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 15 November 2003 21:47 (twenty-one years ago) link

Guh.... that was the best show I have been to in like 5 years. Whigs songs "66" "Uptown Again" "If I Were Going" which was more a crowd sing-a-long. Covers "purple rain" "hey ya" some fleetwood mac. Dulli babbled a ton. I was front and center. So so good.

bnw (bnw), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 07:08 (twenty-one years ago) link

I finally got around to buying an Afghan Whigs album (though actually I used to have Gentleman on tape a long time ago), since apparently I resemble Dulli (hopefully in his younger, hottter days). I bought Black Love because it was used. Pretty good. More dramatic than what I usually listen to, but pretty good. Need to listen to it more.

NA (Nick A.), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 12:51 (twenty-one years ago) link

i went to an afghan whigs show about 3-4 years ago and don't remember one lick of what they played. damn little barrells of Mickeys will do that to ya.

Chris B. Sure (Chris V), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 12:55 (twenty-one years ago) link

Search: Black Love - as a fairly clueless young music fan I bought this without having heard anything by the band... I've never regretted it and keep coming back to it - compare that to all the albums I bought only to find that the single I already had was the only good thing on it or that the band I thought I loved had lost it... "Hookless" = you are on crack.

Destroy: my current financial state which means I have no idea when I can get hold of the new Twilight Singers album.

Flyboy (Flyboy), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 13:22 (twenty-one years ago) link

Greg Dulli - is the fact that he's an asshole redeemed by the fact that his songs are about the fact that he's an asshole?

I think it's an act, the whole asshole thing. I think he's a nice er gentleman.

scott m (mcd), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 15:03 (twenty-one years ago) link

Hey j.lu--

Yeah, I was there, but had to leave early (i.e. 1:15) due to some, er, relationship issues. So I missed the encores. :(

See, the problem with these late shows is that it gives you way too much time to drink beforehand...

mookieproof (mookieproof), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 16:27 (twenty-one years ago) link

Anyone heard their cover of "If only I had a heart"? Fantastic.

Chuck Tatum (Chuck Tatum), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 16:57 (twenty-one years ago) link

Congregation
Gentlemen

christoff (christoff), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 17:08 (twenty-one years ago) link

about 10 years ago, they put this really great song "delta kong" on selected german versions of the "come on the water" single.

there's a crappy mp3 floating around on soulseek.

gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 17:10 (twenty-one years ago) link

Anyone heard their cover of "If only I had a heart"? Fantastic.

Among the reasons the Whigs never had a big crossover hit: most of their best songs wound up as import CD single b-sides.

j.lu (j.lu), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 22:03 (twenty-one years ago) link

two years pass...
Back together!? (for four tracks on a forthcoming compilation, but hey)

http://www.summerskiss.com/category/news/

StanM (StanM), Tuesday, 29 August 2006 20:52 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh. Sorry.

Search: everything between their first and last albums.
Destroy: their first and last albums.

StanM (StanM), Tuesday, 29 August 2006 20:54 (eighteen years ago) link

Maybe it wasn't their best album but I don't think there was anything wrong with 1965.
Congregation to 1965 was a fine run of albums.

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Tuesday, 29 August 2006 21:02 (eighteen years ago) link

As I've said on other threads, "Gentlemen" is THE best break-up album ever, full stop.

Tantrum The Cat (Tantrum The Cat), Tuesday, 29 August 2006 22:33 (eighteen years ago) link

I've lost two copies of Black Love over the years, mysteriously, the CDs are gone but the jewel cases lingered. Anyway I think that's still a great album; together with Gentlemen certainly the only things I needed by them (uptown avondale is good too. and I like "retarded" from Up In It). 1965 is so terrible though.

kyle (akmonday), Tuesday, 29 August 2006 22:37 (eighteen years ago) link

the same thing happened to my first copy of Black Love. true!

kit brash (kit brash), Wednesday, 30 August 2006 11:23 (eighteen years ago) link

four months pass...
Tracklist and release date revealed:

The tracklisting for Unbreakable/A Retrospective out May 1 on Rhino Records

1- Retarded
2- Crazy
3- Turn On The Water
4- Debonair
5- I'm A Soldier
6- 66
7- Be Sweet
8- Come See About Me
9- Uptown Again
10- What Jail Is Like
11- Magazine
12- I'm Her Slave
13- Going To Town
14- Gentlemen
15- Let Me Lie To You
16- John the Baptist
17- Crime Scene Part One
18- Faded

Not chronological, very incomplete, but it's something, I suppose. :-/

StanM (StanM), Friday, 26 January 2007 11:59 (seventeen years ago) link

So...

Search: pretty much everything not on here
Destroy: the people who decided not to rerelease/remaster the whole catalog (maybe they will, though, someday, who knows?)

StanM (StanM), Friday, 26 January 2007 12:05 (seventeen years ago) link

No "My Curse" no credibility.

The Redd And The Blecch (Ken L), Friday, 26 January 2007 12:14 (seventeen years ago) link

Fountain and Fairfax, Milez is Ded, ...

One disc is always going to be incomplete, isn't it?

StanM (StanM), Friday, 26 January 2007 12:20 (seventeen years ago) link

the sub pop discs are still in print, surely?

jimbo (electricsound), Friday, 26 January 2007 12:30 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm not sure all of them are: Up In It couldn't be ordered when I asked about it in a record store a while ago (ordered it online at amazon.com , but now amazon.co.uk only has it "used and new," so I don't really know what to think)

StanM (StanM), Friday, 26 January 2007 12:40 (seventeen years ago) link

I'll tell you something, that YouTube video of them doing Faded live is seriously the absolute tits:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eq9Dq1I1yM4

NickB (NickB), Friday, 26 January 2007 12:46 (seventeen years ago) link

Aren't all live videos with Greg Dulli in them the tits? Observe: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvBW9XRefuo

(hell, just click on "whigsbitch" and check out all the other stuff this guy/girl has uploaded on youtube)

StanM (StanM), Friday, 26 January 2007 13:00 (seventeen years ago) link

That is one odd tracklist.

Andy_K (Andy_K), Friday, 26 January 2007 13:08 (seventeen years ago) link

one month passes...
I'm A Soldier, one of the two new tracks, is online at Spin.

StanM, Friday, 9 March 2007 11:14 (seventeen years ago) link

two years pass...

was really going ham on "black love" a week or so ago, listening to basically nothing else. some pretty amazing moments but all in all it's a really frustrating record. the magic of "gentleman" is missing somehow, greg dulli's singing struck me as really lazy, out-of-tune for no good reason. the worst is the mixing, it must be dulli's rhythm guitar that's pushed up so far, why? he just grinds away on like two notes. isn't this supposed to be funky? let the bass lead. rick mccollum is some kind of rough genius tho. and the drumming is really good; i read in an interview years and years ago that dulli booted a drummer for basically being a druggy raver? was that this guy?

songs like "night by candlelight", i don't get why the strings don't even seem like they're arranged. there are these big crescendos, but the bass and the chords aren't even the same, everyone is sawing away with emotion. yeah yeah i get the stonesy shambolic thing but this is a big unfocused mess.

goole, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 17:53 (fourteen years ago) link

hmm...interesting i've always liked it more than gentlemen...not really scrutinized the mix though.

but honestly i loved this album at a point in my life when i was very young, very depressed, and very drunk and it was so perfect for that i can't really judge it from a distance.

for HOOM the bell tolls (M@tt He1ges0n), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 17:55 (fourteen years ago) link

ha i feel the same way about gentlemen!

the "hard bitten lifer dude at the bar telling you kids crazy stories" steez about dulli that made a HUGE impression on me as a kid. hard relationships, drugs, booze, bad decisions, leather jackets, old records, sexy ladies with crazy problems, getting your shoes shined, bailing out your friend who got caught at a cockfight, bad shit going town to-ni-ee-ight, all that. i dunno if i'm just OLD now but it doesn't wear very well anymore. half the time i just want to say, greg, come on, your life isn't really like this. relax.

goole, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 18:02 (fourteen years ago) link

a friend of mine worked on a whigs video shoot a looong time ago and said that dulli showed up way way late, drinking a bottle of whiskey and walking with a pimp cane

for HOOM the bell tolls (M@tt He1ges0n), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 20:19 (fourteen years ago) link

gentlemen was the last one with the original drummer, then black love had a new drummer, then 1965 had another new drummer iirc

yeah dulli is totally over the top with the shtick, but somehow it seemed to usually work. dude is v. good at playing rock star.

mookieproof, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 20:36 (fourteen years ago) link

three months pass...

Their version of Come See About Me is still probably my favourite cover of all time.

Jamie_ATP, Sunday, 13 June 2010 22:19 (fourteen years ago) link

^^^ YES

ilxor has truly been got at and become an ILXor (ilxor), Monday, 14 June 2010 03:44 (fourteen years ago) link

like their Creep and Can't Get Enough Of better, I think

BIG SAUS aka the porkbanger (sic), Monday, 14 June 2010 11:50 (fourteen years ago) link

one month passes...

still can't figure out what the hell honkey's ladder is about. Is this song about race and class? or is it just about some crime movie that I haven't seen?

akm, Tuesday, 10 August 2010 06:52 (fourteen years ago) link

oh also, after 3 years, I just found my copy of black love.

akm, Tuesday, 10 August 2010 06:54 (fourteen years ago) link

Love Black Love, especially Night by Candlelight.

Anyone know the origin of the song title Vampire Lanois? Dulli get mad at Daniel Lanois or something?

thirdalternative, Tuesday, 10 August 2010 15:57 (fourteen years ago) link

It's not a dis. iirc they were New Orleans pals back then and its a nod to his fashion sense

da croupier, Tuesday, 10 August 2010 16:01 (fourteen years ago) link

Ah. That's neat-o.

thirdalternative, Tuesday, 10 August 2010 16:06 (fourteen years ago) link

five months pass...

Gentleman is a quite a good record. It has aged very well.

earlnash, Thursday, 27 January 2011 04:38 (thirteen years ago) link

it has about three or four very good songs. and the rest is a mess. i can't work out whether it's an appealing mess or not.

charlie h, Friday, 28 January 2011 21:16 (thirteen years ago) link

eleven months pass...

REVIVE FOR RETURN OF WHIGS (i think the revive thread was on the sandbox)

http://www.zooborns.com/.a/6a010535647bf3970b011571a1f52b970b-800wi
Hyssop...in my perfume?

La Lechera, Thursday, 12 January 2012 21:11 (twelve years ago) link

is it just coachella or a full tour?

fauxmarc, Thursday, 12 January 2012 21:41 (twelve years ago) link

...OR A TOUR AND ALBUM HUSH

fauxmarc, Thursday, 12 January 2012 21:41 (twelve years ago) link

really impressed with the new album especially the two tracks that van hunt features on ("jyja" and "take me there")

doesn't really remind me of any other whigs record in the catalog except in spades, and only in that every song does something different but there is a sustained, mean/forbidding/defeatedly gorgeous atmosphere they share. my thoughtless one-sentence review would be this is what i wanted dynamite steps to be

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Tuesday, 30 August 2022 16:40 (two years ago) link

this is the most obnoxiously brickwalled album i've heard in a while

ufo, Friday, 9 September 2022 05:35 (two years ago) link

it's a shame because otherwise it's yet another quite good album from dulli. "jyja" is a real highlight

ufo, Friday, 9 September 2022 05:55 (two years ago) link

tentatively would put it better than do to the beast, not quite as good as in spades

ufo, Friday, 9 September 2022 06:06 (two years ago) link

Seeing them tomorrow, first headlining gig I've seen from them in a while. Last time was opening for Built to Spill on that weird bill, which I mostly remember for being loud. I'm taking a blank slate friend who I think has never even heard of them, I'm curious what he thinks.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 9 September 2022 13:02 (two years ago) link

love this record

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Friday, 9 September 2022 13:43 (two years ago) link

While not quite as good as the times I saw them with the singers and horns, they killed it tonight. Dulli's voice sounds great, and the setlist leaned confidently toward their more recent material, with stuff from the first era doled out judiciously. Want to say "Line of Shots" from the new one was a highlight.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 11 September 2022 05:06 (two years ago) link

Apparently Dulli was having amp and guitar problems all night, but sounded great. Some dude already posted a few clips:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUIPT4YxtBk

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 11 September 2022 17:07 (two years ago) link

Listening to the album now, had a rush when Marcy Mays’ voice unexpectedly opened Domino and Jimmy. With so long between nu-Whigs albums, they should noodle out a Twilight Singers record or two between ‘em.

Vance Vance Devolution (sic), Sunday, 11 September 2022 22:10 (two years ago) link

Should have put a spoiler alert there! Was just about to listen.

Jean Arthur Rank (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 11 September 2022 22:12 (two years ago) link

I meant to hide tag but fucked it up :(

Vance Vance Devolution (sic), Sunday, 11 September 2022 22:40 (two years ago) link

I’m on phone but endorse anyone linking a mod request and then deleting the following posts!

Vance Vance Devolution (sic), Sunday, 11 September 2022 22:41 (two years ago) link

oh come on

any number of places have mentioned her involvement

mookieproof, Sunday, 11 September 2022 22:43 (two years ago) link

No worries. I didn't really care that much.

Jean Arthur Rank (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 12 September 2022 00:21 (two years ago) link

Just to spoil further, Domino & Jimmy on morning TV:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aJ3kolKb0U

Vance Vance Devolution (sic), Monday, 12 September 2022 18:13 (two years ago) link

I can't believe I used to go to clubs on weeknights on a regular basis. But I did have a good time; Dulli continues to never give less than 115%. I wasn't familiar with the new stuff, but it's all solid. Have they been doing that shout-out to Shawn Smith at other shows?

Infanta Terrible (j.lu), Thursday, 15 September 2022 12:48 (two years ago) link

two weeks pass...

Just finally getting around to the new one, man that opener is like Afghan Whigs gone stoner rock, I dig it.

a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 3 October 2022 17:16 (two years ago) link

one month passes...

I was going through our kitchen cabinets and found an old jar of jam made with Afghan figs.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 5 November 2022 22:43 (two years ago) link

one year passes...

god they were so good live

mookieproof, Friday, 23 February 2024 02:30 (eight months ago) link

At least two of my fave shows of all time.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 23 February 2024 02:38 (eight months ago) link


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