Led Zeppelin: Classic Or Dud?

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Ray Charles fucks fred nice and Hard up the ass. ZEPPELIN RULES MAN. NOW I'M GONNA GO SMOKE A JOINT FOR ZEP THE I'M GONNA TAKE A SHIT TO REPRESENT RAY'S AND FRED'S INTELLIGENCE

Fred's gay, Thursday, 28 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Er, obviously bob cannae read. But he did make me laugh.

Nicole, Thursday, 28 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

I can not believe that there is even a discussion on whether or not led zeppelin was good. Unlike other bands, they constantly progressed and changed. They started out as a blues band, with some hard rock, like dazed and confused off of their first album. As result of their progression and experimentation, they became one of the first hard rock bands of all time.

Later bands would imitate the screamin and screaching guitars; however, the rythm sectio could not be duplicated. Furthermore, the sound of led zeppelin was a result of a combination of many influencs,including indian classical and celtic. Later bands' sound was a result of musical interests within the band that were limited in genre.

All of the musicians in the band are of the highest quality. JImmy Page ranks as one of the best guitarists ever, and the rythm section of John Paul Jones an John Bonham is unrivaled. The songwritig duo of Page and Plant was also one of the best ever.

Contrary to the beliefs of some people who have posted, Led zeppelin set records for sales of tickets and albums. Their live performances shattered tickt sales records, due to elongated versions of songs such as moby dick, which is also an example of Bonham's amazing talent. They are also right behind the beatles in total record sales. HOwever, the beatles had 21 albums, where zep only had 10.

Now could somebody clarify how zeppelin isn't good, because i just don't see it.

jim, Saturday, 30 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

1. Ever experimental without losing the brand value. Is that claasic? 2. Some times fake - Kashmir does not have a yellow desert. Classic? 3. Inspiration galore: Golum, the evil one. 4. Pioneering: Whole lotta love. Absolute classic. 5. Aura. natural.

Rajesh Naik, Friday, 6 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

All of the musicians in the band are of the highest quality.

Guaranteed to never shrink or fade. But they might get very wrinkly and boring.

Tracer Hand, Friday, 6 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Robert Plant sounds like a cat being kicked in the balls. THAT is enough for them to be described as dud. Yeah, they may have continually progressed or whatever, but Percy himself never progressed beyound sounding like an feline in extreme pain.

Richard Tunnicliffe, Friday, 6 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

two weeks pass...
The only reson ou have not to like Led Zeppelin and even Tolkien is because you're in a different state of mind. It's about escaping reality a creating one of your very own. So don't give me that crap about it being shit. This is the basis of all forms of art.

muppet monkey, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

"They are also right behind the beatles in total record sales. However, the beatles had 21 albums, where Zep only had 10": this the clicher for me. 21 = kewl number (3 x 7); 10 = evil number (2 x 5). D'you SEE?

I like Plant's voice.

mark s, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Their most powerful moments were often the quieter ones..."That's the Way" off of III, "The Rain Song" from Houses, "Down By the Seaside" from Physical Graffiti.

But the stuff I think I most enjoy from them are when they were just plain goofy and/or eccentric. I'm thinking "Boogie with Stu", "Hats Off (to Roy Harper)", "The Crunge", "Hot Dog", etc

Can't think of too many weak moments from Zep, actually...

Joe, Wednesday, 25 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

It's kind of hard to get into an argument about Led Zeppelin when the ground rules seem to be that they weren't pretty accomplished usicians who managed to extend the vocabulary of popular music in ways that few bands ever do.

I can understand those who don't like them becasue of the Prog/Dinosaur overtones, but simply noting that they were in that field would negate the accusations of them bieng anti-intellectual and lacking skill.

Sure, some of their songs are *fairly* simple, but on the whole, they almost always managed to do something unexpected or quirky within the context of Loud Blues.

They're one of the few Rawk bands I can stand, because there's always something ungraspable about how they came to what they ended up doing. To me, if you can figure out how a band got to their end product (and could replicate it yourself), why bother listening to it?

CountV/John T, Friday, 27 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

one month passes...
Some of these "Black Sabbath" fans crack me up with there total lack of knowledge about rock history. Led Zeppelin did not influence that horrible hair metal of the 80's musically. All those lame bands did was try to "look" like them. There music was silly pop dreck with loud guitars.

Zeppelin's music, if you listen to it, was exstremly inventive and layered. Led Zeppelins actually musical influence can actually be felt most from everyone from Prince to REM to Jane's Addiction to Smashing Pumpkins. Not lame hair metal, lol. On the other hand all Black Sabbath ever influenced was moronic crap like death metal, or black metal and a bunch of low IQed, beer swilling "metal heads" with a mentality to "break stuff" and worship the devil. Please.

Also the comments about Led Zeppelin not being intellectual are ignorant in my opinion. Is Mozart not intellectual? He certainly did not have many lyrics about war or polotics did he? What was intellectual about Zeppelin was there musical ability. The world was filled with tons of good and lame bands that where "politcally consious", i think they where and still are a breath of fresh air. I like some Punk rock, but if you are that non-ecclectic as to be turned off to great musicans because of some silly ideal or scene (like punk) then your a idiot.

Robert, Friday, 21 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Well it's more than likely that Led Zep isn't the greatest rock band of all time. The majority of their lyrics seems to have come straight from their waists and some of their more popular riffs are remarkably simple. Plant is probably overrated and had he not died so prematurely, Bonzo might never have been as celebrated as he is now. Still, does that mean that Immigrant Song is not worth listening to, or that Over The Hills and Far Away is useless tripe from a pretentious 70s band? Maybe... but no one can argue that they were more influential than Sabbath ever could have been. Firstly, I contend that it is Led Zep and not Sab that should be pointed out as the originators of heavy metal if you had but one finger to point with. But even if you don't agree, let us remember that it was Black Sabbath's unbearbable stagnation that was in the most part responsible for the New Wave of British Heavy Metal movement in the 1980s. (The fact is that most tributes to Black Sabbath - how many are there, seven? - feature generic death metal bands with cookie monster vocalists.)

So, did Sabbath influence Iron Maiden or Judas Priest? Probably, but not in the way they might have liked. There may be a reason Maiden - a band that does few covers - did one of Whole Lotta Love, but never a single Sabbath tune.

Jack Torrance, Thursday, 4 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Well it's more than likely that Led Zep isn't the greatest rock band of all time. The majority of their lyrics seems to have come straight from their waists and some of their more popular riffs are remarkably simple. Plant is probably overrated and had he not died so prematurely, Bonzo might never have been as celebrated as he is now. Still, does that mean that Immigrant Song is not worth listening to, or that Over The Hills and Far Away is useless tripe from a pretentious 70s band? Maybe... but no one can argue that they were more influential than Sabbath ever could have been. Firstly, I contend that it is Led Zep and not Sab that should be pointed out as the originators of heavy metal if you had but one finger to point with. But even if you don't agree, let us remember that it was Black Sabbath's unbearbable stagnation that was in the most part responsible for the New Wave of British Heavy Metal movement in the 1980s. (The fact is that most tributes to Black Sabbath - how many are there, seven? - feature generic death metal bands with cookie monster vocalists.)

So, did Sabbath influence Iron Maiden or Judas Priest? Probably, but not in the way they might have liked. There may be a reason Maiden - a band that does few covers - did one of Whole Lotta Love, but never a single Sabbath tune.

J Corabi, Friday, 12 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

seven months pass...
Just the fact that so many people still feel strongly about Zep, 20 years after their demise, says something. Unlike 99% of the crap that is made today and forgotten 6 mopnths later. Long live "classic" rock.

Ron

Ron Murray, Friday, 7 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Led zeppelin fucked a girl with a shark.

So they influenced R. Kelly, too!

Dan Perry, Friday, 7 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

R. Kelly isn't in their league.

dleone, Friday, 7 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

it was the vanilla fudge at the edgewater inn in washington state that fcked a girl with the shark.

chaki, Friday, 7 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Yes, Zep were the red snapper, not the shark

Ben Williams, Friday, 7 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

the vanilla fudge invented everything!!

mark s, Saturday, 8 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

one month passes...
I quite like Zep. And I don't think Sabbath come close really because they are so one-dimensional (to my fascistic ears, at least). Whereas, Zep were multi-faceted and instead of writing a few good somngs, wrote a string of shit-hot albums.

Anyband with Bonham at the back was on to a winner (unless it was Bonham's own band) and Page and Plant ain't so bad either. Actually, I recall Ian Anderson of Jethro Tull fame telling Melody Maker back in the day that with his lyrics and Zep's music they "could have made quite a good little rock and roll band." Ha ha ha ha ha.. sorry, I laugh my ass off everytime I hear that.

Gimme Physical Graffiti everytime. I think it's actually too good, if that's possible, which it isn't, but it feels like it is when I listen to that album. Does anyone else know what I (don't) mean?

Roger Fascist, Monday, 29 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I've been spinning 'The Song Remains the Same' a bit recently, and it all sounds grate - funk metal, speed metal, prog metal, the 20min version of 'Dazed and Confused', even Bonham's drum solo in 'Moby Dick' (I mean, it's not really that gd or anything - every time he gets into a decent rhythm he gives up on it and tries something else - now that's pointless 'virtuosity' - but there are some v. nice tuning/detuning sounds near the end...)

Andrew L, Monday, 29 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

three months pass...
I disagree... Zeppelin rocks ... so does Sabbath... You cant put down Zeppelin like that. Think of all the classics. Sure Sabbath's Paranoid is the best, but so is Zeppelin's Kashmir- ... (there is completely no comparison) ... it is like comparing Guns and Roses to Metallica-you cannot do it. If you were to compare anyone it should be those shitty boy bands and not the legends. You really cannot compare Zeppelin with Sabbeth so please do not think to hard...

Meagan, Wednesday, 27 November 2002 07:05 (twenty-one years ago) link

one month passes...
"How many hip-hop groups have sampled Bill Ward's drum parts? ",
said Mark Richardson.

Actually quite many. Check out Sabbath's "Behind the wall of sleep".

Esko, Wednesday, 8 January 2003 16:06 (twenty-one years ago) link

Cypress Hill sampled "The Wizard"

dave q, Wednesday, 8 January 2003 19:40 (twenty-one years ago) link

seven months pass...
Classic, but christ they're overplayed on the radio at times.

Bryan Moore (Bryan Moore), Wednesday, 20 August 2003 17:03 (twenty-one years ago) link

three months pass...
Zeppelin and Sabbath rock and I believe both were influentual in the development of the New Wave of British Heavy Metal. My faves are 'Graffiti' by Zep and I love 'Born Again' by Sabbath...must have been too many brews in the early 80's for REB I guess.

But for the person who said 'Zeppelin=Overrated' and then trotted out Creedence FFS! Sheesh!! And to hear Plant getting sledged for his vocals and then having some numbnuts raving on about the monumentally mediocre Cure PURLEASE..

The best point in this entire thread is that Zeppelin's music has stood the test of time and that what passes for rock these days will be forgotten this time next year.

Cheers,

REB

Rik E Boy (Rik E Boy), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 02:18 (twenty years ago) link

The People's Poet?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 02:24 (twenty years ago) link

four weeks pass...
Has How the West Was Won changed any minds?

Mark (MarkR), Wednesday, 31 December 2003 18:53 (twenty years ago) link

Probably the best rock band ever. A middle-schooler without a Led Zeppelin phase is a sad middle-schooler indeed. Buy an 8-year-old Zeppelin's one through four and they'll be rock fans for life.

Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Wednesday, 31 December 2003 21:23 (twenty years ago) link

Um, I was (and am) a huge Led Zep fan, but I only listen to like five rock bands (one being LZ!).

Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 31 December 2003 21:25 (twenty years ago) link

(I think they might have been my gateway to James Brown!)

Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 31 December 2003 21:25 (twenty years ago) link

from Mr. Ewing's Zep blurb:

this implicit progression was symbolised by the band's unwillingness to let their rip-offs go credited to the original writers

Led Zeppelin's blues songs are NOT ripoffs and they DID NOT steal them!! They don't sound ANYTHING like the originals. Have you ever heard "When the Levee Breaks" by Memphis Minnee? Or "In My Time of Dying" by Bob Dylan?? Ever notice that they sound absolutely NOTHING like Zep's versions??? I really hate it when rock critics say this to somehow degrade Zep's music. It was pretty much the reason why Rolling Stone hated Zep so much. As if that IN ANY WAY has anything to do with how Zep's records sound!!

Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Wednesday, 31 December 2003 21:35 (twenty years ago) link

the ultimate overwrought dud. i think i might actually like abba better than led zep and I hate abba.

jack cole (jackcole), Wednesday, 31 December 2003 21:37 (twenty years ago) link

Watch DVD . If after 20 minutes of viewing you haven't come to the conclusion that this group was classic, then you, my friend, are a corpse.

Jay Vee (Manon_70), Wednesday, 31 December 2003 22:08 (twenty years ago) link

All those "Zep were overrated!!!!" type folk seem to forget that during their lifetime, Led Zeppelin were probably the most critically reviled rock band on the planet!!!!! Their 'good' reputation only really grew in the 80s when a sizeable of the massive amount of young sprites who bought their records and attented their stadium gigs grew up to be rock critics themselves!!!! And thenfrom about themid 80s, yu have the likes of the Beastie Boys sampling Zep riffs, and even an idealised 80s hair-metal Zep clone rock band by the name of Kingdom Come!!!! So it's not liek there was a coonspiracy to overrate tha Zep!!! In fact, if anything it was the opposite, and then when that failed it went to the other extreme (Coinciding with the release of the cherry-picked "Remasters" set)!!!! Now, with all the albums finally remastered and extra bits added, it's all starting to settle down somewhere near the middle (At least in the UK!!!), and generally it seems agreed that:
  1. When Zep were good they were really good!!!!!
  2. When they weren't good, they really stunk!!!!!
  3. Generally the good bits outwiegh the bad, up until about the last couple of albums!!!!!
  4. Concert-wise, they were pretty good, if a little bombastic!!!!!
  5. The Song Remains The Same being the major exception to the previous point!!!!!
  6. It's pretty obvious they weren't just a "metal" band!!!!!!!
  7. The bits about the hobbits are really funny!!!!!
BTW Sabbath were fine as well, and I dunno why people turns this into a John Vs Paul type argument, there are a lot of rock fans who like both bands...

Old Fart!!! (oldfart_sd), Wednesday, 31 December 2003 22:29 (twenty years ago) link

sorry, i still think that in through the out door was the best thing that they did (except for physical graffiti). matter of fact, i have little use for anything pre-houses of the holy, except for the more explicitly metal stuff -- i just don't like blooz.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Wednesday, 31 December 2003 22:48 (twenty years ago) link

Has How the West Was Won changed any minds?

I grew up in the '70's and worshiped Zep. When The Song Remains the Same came out I skipped school to see it. It sucked. All those imaginings I had of how much Zep ruled were dashed on the over-blown histronics on Dazed and Confused, I mean God save me,a therimin solo?
I think that this left open the door to The Ramones and the Pistols for me. When Rotten pointed at the dinosaur, I saw it in my record collection.
So I have stood as a Zeppelin detractor for 20 years, then I heard How the West was Won, and ...ah-ha! Here was the band that I loved.

Speedy Gonzalas (Speedy Gonzalas), Wednesday, 31 December 2003 22:53 (twenty years ago) link

three months pass...
Most zepp fans would just go away and not say anything, just like page would. sabbath flat out sucks at everything. If u want metal style like that listen to rainbow. and one thing, zeppelin isn't metal, there a mega band super duper awesome stuff

Jack Lemming, Friday, 23 April 2004 00:20 (twenty years ago) link

one year passes...
did Led Zep predict the future of 2005?

1. when the levee breaks - New Orleans
water

2. Kashmir - Asian Earthquake
earth

what next? something related to the sun? the moon?

DJ Martian (djmartian), Thursday, 13 October 2005 18:26 (nineteen years ago) link

Rampant lemon squeezin' erupts in the Mideast!!!!!

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 13 October 2005 18:44 (nineteen years ago) link

stay tuned for BUSTLES IN HEDGEROWS

kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 13 October 2005 19:35 (nineteen years ago) link

two months pass...
I tried to get into Led Zeppelin 20 years ago to make me seem like a credible rocker. I couldn't understand what the fuss was back then and I still can't now. But you know, I still pretended to like them back then to impress everybody. Which is something to think about the next time someone says "Zep rule!"

Brian D, Saturday, 17 December 2005 21:47 (eighteen years ago) link

I never feel like I impress anyone by saying Zeppelin rules. They're so universally acknowledged that there's no possible cred to be gained from proclaiming your love.

Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Saturday, 17 December 2005 21:52 (eighteen years ago) link

four months pass...
oh man, i just gotta with led zeppelin if you seriously listen to them and i'm not just talking bout yeah i've heard Black dog, rock n' roll stairway to heaven ok those were very popular hard rock songs that the radio has flogged but everything, you'll notice that they are very versitile, and cover just about all of your queeries page produced in almost every possible way.

Go listen to this list of songs then come tell me zep aren't good, infact why noy go one better and learn to them one guitar then tell me they're not worth listening to man.
list:
Wanton Song
Heartbreaker
In the light
All of my love
houses of the holy
no quarter
achilles last stand
over the hills and far away

ha you won't evn get through Heartbreaker before you turn around and go "oh fuck that"
Page plays a unique scale at a speed you won't believe

Joe Rac, Monday, 15 May 2006 15:12 (eighteen years ago) link

one year passes...

Anyone going to try and get a ticket?

Ned Trifle II, Wednesday, 12 September 2007 16:34 (seventeen years ago) link

lol shitty olden days bands

Dom Passantino, Wednesday, 12 September 2007 16:36 (seventeen years ago) link

Fucking Jason Bonham. I would only go if this dude plays drums.

Jordan, Wednesday, 12 September 2007 16:43 (seventeen years ago) link

Fucking Paolo Nutini more like. £125 and I've got to put up with that?

Ned Trifle II, Wednesday, 12 September 2007 18:23 (seventeen years ago) link

I heard Stairway on the radio today. Anybody who says it doesn't rule is a goddamn neo-rockist.

J0hn D., Wednesday, 12 September 2007 18:37 (seventeen years ago) link

this was posted here Led Zeppelin set to reform but some details are starting to come out:

Tickets costing £125 ($254) will be allocated on a lottery basis through the Ahmettribute.com web site. Billboard.com understands there are no plans to broadcast or commercially release music from the show.

Putting an end to several months of speculation, it was confirmed today (Sept. 13) during a press conference at the O2 that the three surviving members of Led Zeppelin -- Robert Plant, Jimmy Page and John Paul Jones -- would reunite onstage for just the third time in 27 years. The drummer for the evening will be Jason Bonham, son of the band's original drummer John Bonham, who died from a heart attack in 1980.

"This is going to be the largest demand for one show in history," promoter Harvey Goldsmith said today, adding that Zeppelin will play a full two-hour set. "I can only tell from the buzz going around now, but it is really just filtering around the world. I feel there's going to be a huge amount of pressure (on tickets)."

The concert will follow the release of a new Atlantic/Rhino two-disc, 24-track best-of Zeppelin set, "Mothership," due Nov. 13 in the United States.

Bee OK, Thursday, 13 September 2007 03:19 (seventeen years ago) link

It’s we’re gonna groove studio!
I need to find the version from the dvd, it slays

calstars, Monday, 27 May 2024 02:00 (five months ago) link

“Woman I don’t know which way to go”

calstars, Monday, 27 May 2024 02:09 (five months ago) link

Uhh

calstars, Monday, 27 May 2024 02:10 (five months ago) link

you may need to ramble

mookieproof, Monday, 27 May 2024 02:10 (five months ago) link

Good call

calstars, Monday, 27 May 2024 02:13 (five months ago) link

All of my memories of coda are intertwined with trying to stay alive in ultima iv

calstars, Monday, 27 May 2024 02:17 (five months ago) link

I didn’t know it was possible to “hole up” so you can imagine the problems of not sleeping

calstars, Monday, 27 May 2024 02:21 (five months ago) link

It’s we’re gonna groove studio!
I need to find the version from the dvd, it slays

― calstars

my understanding is that the _coda_ version is just the version from the dvd with overdubs! it's presented as "studio" but it's not actually

Kate (rushomancy), Monday, 27 May 2024 16:25 (five months ago) link

ahh that makes sense

calstars, Tuesday, 28 May 2024 01:21 (five months ago) link

one month passes...

https://i.imgur.com/86OibII.jpeg

calstars, Saturday, 29 June 2024 22:23 (four months ago) link

📹

Simply the finest video of hippies shaking their heads to a band offscreen I’ve seen.

Naive Teen Idol, Saturday, 29 June 2024 23:04 (four months ago) link

lol true

calstars, Saturday, 29 June 2024 23:17 (four months ago) link

three months pass...

welp

Travel press tradition passed down from @finnygo: Other embeds and I rolled a question on an orange up to JD Vance from the back of the plane.

Quick response rolled back on his favorite song: Led Zeppelin, Ten Years Gone. pic.twitter.com/wxJpDRQ6gd

— Kit Maher (@KitMaherCNN) October 8, 2024

mookieproof, Wednesday, 9 October 2024 04:04 (four weeks ago) link

should've gone extra troll and chosen "no quarter"

Western® with Bacon Flavor, Wednesday, 9 October 2024 04:31 (four weeks ago) link

There are many days when "No Quarter" is my favorite LZ song.

Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Wednesday, 9 October 2024 13:36 (four weeks ago) link

1970: LED ZEPPELIN - Better than THE BEATLES? | Nationwide | BBC Archive

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLDJVCC3Ip4

stirmonster, Wednesday, 9 October 2024 13:49 (four weeks ago) link

The Led Zeppelin

calstars, Wednesday, 9 October 2024 13:56 (four weeks ago) link

no quarter is of infinite depth, sometimes it’s my favorite too. one of those songs I can just completely escape into. A distant cousin of “no quarter” is “the asphalt world” by suede.

brimstead, Wednesday, 9 October 2024 14:09 (four weeks ago) link

surely his least favorite is Immigrant Song

There’s a Monster in my Vance (President Keyes), Wednesday, 9 October 2024 14:16 (four weeks ago) link


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