Cardiacs: Classic or Dud?

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just out of interest are there any cardiacs fans in scotland....im curious to see what anyones got(bootlegs, press cuttings etc) or if anyone else out there can swap or sell e mail me make way for the big ship...and here she comes now god bless 'er.

david sheridon, Wednesday, 8 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Those who fail to understand the sheer brilliance of Cardiacs shouldn't be denied their opinions. But I advise them to listen again. I've had the pleasure of meeting Tim and he's just a normal bloke with brilliant ideas. And if Jim reads some of these unkind comments on this page; it'll make him cry. Would you like that?

Labrat, Thursday, 9 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

JUST BOUGHT THE GREATEST HITS ALBUM...FUCKING FANTASTIC. "DIRTY BOY" IN ALL IT'S FULLBLOWN MAJESTIC GLORY!!!!! NEW CARDIACS TRACK.."FASTER THAN SNAKES WITH A BALL AND A CHAIN", OH YES, OH YES, OH YES...BRING ON THE NEW ALBUM AND THEN WE WILL SEE WHO RULES THIS COSMIC UNIVERSE...HA HA HA HA (SCARY LAUGHTER ENSUES!!) THANKS PUPPIES

DAVID SHERIDON, Tuesday, 14 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I wonder how many of you are out there... Cardiacs are totally independant, whick means they don't have the finances to do many press ads or pay PR people... hence hardly any coverage (UK music press covers stuff they know has money for adverts behind). I'm always meeting Cardiacs fanatics who have no idea of the amount of stuff they've done recently.

There's a Rock Sounds mention this week (thanks to Sean Organ), and a couple or articles in The Organ 'zine - www.organart.com

Always check out WWW.CARDIACS.COM for info!

marinecreature, Friday, 24 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

The Consultant's website is also great. It's got a selection of their old promos in poor quality realvideo, including their performance of Tarred and Feathered on The Tube. And the Consultant's Flower Garden film off Seaside Treats, which is highly recommended viewing. "This is William D. Drake. Sometimes we call him Bill. The Consultant will never call him Bill, such is his hatred of him..."

I've had the Greatest Hits on constant play since I got it. What an album! I've only had Guns, Sing to God and the Sampler up till now, so most of the old stuff is new to me. Affectionate Friends ain't bad either.

Phil A, Monday, 27 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I WOULD JUST LIKE TO NAME AND SHAME DAREN, NATHAN,JOE,MELISSA,CHARLIE FROM STGREGORYS ANDPAUL FROM THE INTERNET ALL OF YOU ARE JELOUSE AND THICK TO BE SO CRUEL TO GARETH HE IS REALLY NICE AND YOUR JUST BEING BULLIES.YOU PEPOLE AT ST GREGORYS STOP MAKING FUN OF GARETH HES ABETTER MAN THEN YOULL EVER BE. ITHINK PEOPLE SHOULDN;T JUST LIKE GARETH FOR LOOKS.KATHRYNS YOUR NUMBER 1 FAN GARETH LOVE AIDA YOU RULE

AIDA HORSE, Tuesday, 4 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Pardon?

marinecreature, Sunday, 16 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

oh dear..oh dear..oh dear......and people think cardiacs fans are off their heads....mmmmmmmm. All hail Gareth, no i cant really see it somehow. Happiness and Joy Mr. Sheridon

david sheridon, Tuesday, 18 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

two weeks pass...
cardiacs are great- tim smith-what a songwriter these songs are the bus on a bus-listen and youll find out see-dont listen to the dont knowers who think they know but dont!sea nymphs gig a couple of years back too -one of my best gigs ever-more soon please keith

keith phillips, Friday, 5 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Do you know that William D Drake is playing a gig at the Spitz on Monday? With Bob Leith on drums apparantly. Sounds like its going to be a bit of a Cardiacs do.

Marina organ, Friday, 5 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

two weeks pass...
CLASSIC, OBVIOUSLY. You can SORT of see how ppl wouldn't get it - they haven't evolved very far yet! but i cannot understand whoever it was saying "I quite liked" anything by Cardiacs. That's plain odd. It's a bit like saying "Eating, well I can take it or leave it."

xini

xini, Saturday, 20 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

After seeing two live concerts and listening to their albums for years, I'm still figuring out what their music is all about. Brilliant!!!! Such complex and beautifull melodic structures.

BTW if you get the chance go see Bill Drake, he has an album forthcoming, and there's a CD-single out produced by Tim Smith (Cardiacs).

A fan!

Wilco Boumans, Monday, 22 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

two months pass...
And Cardiacs are actually playing an actual gig on November 15th 2002 at the London Astoria.

Result!

Marinaorgan (Marina Organ), Saturday, 28 September 2002 23:14 (twenty-two years ago) link

three months pass...
Just heard them for the first time: from what I can tell, classic. Reminded me of XTC if they had been a prog band. Also, some remnants of Rocky Horror style theatrics. I've heard "Guns", and guess I'll work my way backwards.

dleone (dleone), Sunday, 12 January 2003 16:34 (twenty-one years ago) link

four weeks pass...
CLASSIC!!! Love em or loathe em.....this band is unique. Truely. Uninitiated should check out 'Is This The Life?' on the 'A Little Man And A House' Lp as a good introduction and go from there. Gawd knows where it may lead you. I've just dug out the 'Seaside' tape that Lee from 'Catherine in a Cupboard' did for me years ago - a forgotten gem. Nurses Whispering Verses - oh yes! TOP live band. Just hope they'll continue gigging......)))

Allen, Tuesday, 11 February 2003 09:13 (twenty-one years ago) link

two months pass...
Blimey, this thread has ressurrected itself!
You know big tall Lee... did he do you a tape of Toy World/Obvious Identity (Cardiacs tape albums from 1980-83 and earlier).

DL... If you've just heard 'Guns', wait till you hear 'A Little Man And A House And The Whole World Window'... give us an email if you have difficulty getting stuff.

Marinaorgan (Marina Organ), Wednesday, 16 April 2003 21:54 (twenty-one years ago) link

eight months pass...
This Spratley's Japs record is pretty good.

dleone (dleone), Wednesday, 24 December 2003 00:06 (twenty years ago) link

two months pass...
Love em or Loath em ??
The first time I saw Cardiacs I absolutely hated them. Thankfully It didnt last for long, and soon I was enjoying some of the best gigs I have seen in 20 years. Nothing matches the total euphoria of a Cardiacs shown, I just wish Sarah would play a bit more often.
To anyone who who isn't convinced- stick with it.

paul ashby, Saturday, 13 March 2004 12:19 (twenty years ago) link

two months pass...
Hi All....Since my last post, me and the girlfriend got married and still.....Cardiacs are Classic!!!!
Roll on November this year.
Still the greatest band on the planet, or any other,
HAPPINESS AND JOY.
Mr Sheridon

David Sheridon, Monday, 31 May 2004 08:56 (twenty years ago) link

Whats happening in November?

mzui, Monday, 31 May 2004 09:05 (twenty years ago) link

one month passes...
CARDIACS PLAYING NOVEMBER 12TH 2004

MR SHERIDON, Saturday, 17 July 2004 16:14 (twenty years ago) link

four months pass...
CARDIACS are touring again for the first time in years. With THE WILDHEARTS!

08/12/04: London - Astoria
09/12/04: Manchester - MDH (Uni)
10/12/04: Glasgow - Garage
11/12/04: Sheffield - Leadmill
13/12/04: Cambridge - Junction
14/12/04: Bristol - Anson Rooms
15/12/04: Wolverhampton - Wulfrun Hall

Did anyone see them at the Astoria on 12th Nov? What happened?

everything, Monday, 22 November 2004 20:12 (nineteen years ago) link

CARDIACS are touring again for the first time in years. With THE WILDHEARTS!


Say WHAT? What a fuckin' double-bill!!!!!

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 22 November 2004 20:29 (nineteen years ago) link

I saw them at the Astoria. Usual stuff really (i.e. amazing), except this time they had 4 or 5 extra singers and percussionists with them. What will the Wildhearts audience make of them?!

udu wudu (udu wudu), Monday, 22 November 2004 20:32 (nineteen years ago) link

What will the Wildhearts audience make of them?!

I expect indifference followed by swift irritation followed speedily by violence.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 22 November 2004 20:35 (nineteen years ago) link

Apparently Jon Poole is now an ex-Cardiac and is a full-time Wildheart. Dunno if that's a good or bad thing. Any opinions on their new guitarist?

everything, Monday, 22 November 2004 20:42 (nineteen years ago) link

five months pass...
When is the new record coming out?

Dominique (dleone), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 14:40 (nineteen years ago) link

I have one compilation of earlier songs - classic!

zeus, Tuesday, 10 May 2005 15:00 (nineteen years ago) link

I met Marina Organ at the VdGG gig last week!

Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 15:10 (nineteen years ago) link

I was at that gig at the Astoria. The Wildhearts fans were predictably nonplussed by the Cardiacs. It must be very strange to see such a demented support act, with its own fanbase moshing you out of the hard-won space near the front that you'd reserved for the main act. I left about 3 songs into the Wildhearts, who were quite extraordinarily terrible.

Japanese Giraffe (Japanese Giraffe), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 15:21 (nineteen years ago) link

five months pass...
two new live CDs (Garage Concerts vols I&II) are out now, and have only stuff from the earliest days of Cardiacs/Cardiac Arrest. Surprise, surprise, you can hardly tell anything has changed.

Dominique (dleone), Monday, 31 October 2005 18:34 (nineteen years ago) link

Wow. Anytime there's a new Cardiacs album it's a treat, even if it is another live one (this is the fourth innit?). It's old material, but recorded last year, right? I will be ordering this immediately.

everything, Monday, 31 October 2005 19:07 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah, recorded autumn 2003, and it really does sound great (possible post-production alert!)

Dominique (dleone), Monday, 31 October 2005 20:27 (nineteen years ago) link

one month passes...
I have been in a state of Cardiacs-induced bliss these last few days listening to Special Garage Concerts Vols 1&2. This is the wildest live recording yet. Utterly ferocious - and what a relief that there is not another version of "Is This The Life".

For you lucky bastards that live in London, Cardiacs will be playing TWO SPECIAL SECRET CONCERTS at The Bull and Gate in Kentish Town, London on the 21st and 22nd of December.

everything, Wednesday, 7 December 2005 19:36 (eighteen years ago) link

F***ing typical. The one time your musical hero happens to come and stand next to you in the pub you're too pissed to make any sense when you speak to him. Tim Smith now knows more than he ever would want to know about my troubles writing a job reference for an agoraphobic. He was very polite, though, but I now hate myself.

Take some time to appreciate the lyrical genius of the man... A song about an insect landing on a TV screen and falling in love with Lassie (who was a he-dog). A song about when you used to play with your food on the plate because it was too scary. All with random letters inserted into words ("indside") and resurrection of beautiful archaic terms like "phiz" and "foundling". And utterly no respect for the rules of metre. You could write a doctoral thesis on it.

Mark Harvey, Tuesday, 20 December 2005 03:42 (eighteen years ago) link

To realise that Tim Smith wrote songs like "As Cold as Can Be In An English Sea" at such young age is almost scary...

It shouldn't be about whether you boo or hurrah Cardiacs, by the way. Just take it as a fact that Cardiacs are a truly independent musical/lyrical universe in itself. For that is undeniable fact.

Let's fly hawks around your house :-)

Peter Sijbenga, Saturday, 31 December 2005 19:07 (eighteen years ago) link

Just found this thread for the first time because it's way down on googles' Cardiacs search. I like the way it's been taken over by the innitiated.
I got into Cardiacs by accident in 1990 (aged 13), when I found a 7" of Is This The Life in an abandoned locker at school and promptly stuffed it in my canvas ruck-sac for later listening. It was an epiphanic moment of clarity and I've been in love ever since. I can't think of a genuinely bad Cardiacs tune. They even made the Kinks' "Suzannas still alive" sound better than the original! Unfortunatley I've only seen them live seven times which is never enough. Although I have made the 700 mile round trip to the London Astoria gigs three times now (The first of which we arrived just in time for the last song).
Quite simply they're a way of life! criminally ignored but we like it that way.
Beautiful.

Greyhound, Friday, 6 January 2006 12:37 (eighteen years ago) link

Cardiacs make the most manically beautiful noise an ear could hear – no argument! I was a 15 year old Smiths fan when I first heard them - Gary Davies played ‘Is This the Life’ on his lunchtime Radio One show back in 1988 and I was mesmerised. I would place more value on one Cardiacs album than the rest of my record collection combined – don’t ask me which one though! I just find them incredibly rewarding – each record grips me regardless of how many times I hear it. There is so much to love and I feel genuinely sad for those who just don’t get it.

The Astoria gig last December was, I think, my 20th and I’m looking forward to the next 20. A new album would be nice though – Guns was SEVEN years ago! And I wonder when these promised DVDs will come out…?

One more thing - my girlfriend’s sister is one of the uninitiated and wants to hear what Cardiacs sound like – is there one song I could play her which will get them across? I was thinking ‘Fiery Gun Hand’.

Andrew Bates, Friday, 13 January 2006 10:36 (eighteen years ago) link

Buds & Spawn, oi reckon.

mzui (mzui), Friday, 13 January 2006 12:06 (eighteen years ago) link

The Ever So Closely Guarded Line is as good a place as any to dip your toes in. Or perhaps Nurses Whispering Verses.

Dr Greyhound, Monday, 16 January 2006 12:10 (eighteen years ago) link

Manhoo is an easy one for the uninitiated. Otherwise, Buds & Spawn. I've surprised a few folds by just sticking on the Maresnest video and playing the opener, The Duck And Roger The Horse. They usually go "whhhhh...?"

everything, Monday, 16 January 2006 22:06 (eighteen years ago) link

Great - reckon I'll start with Buds & Spawn and gauge the reaction. I can never play just one song though - I think the Land & Sea album deserves a full airing. She's up this weekend so I'll give it a go. (I'll probably get drunk and force everyone to listen to the entire back catalogue while I leap around the living room, punching the air and getting the words wrong - and be single by Monday...)

Andrew Bates, Friday, 20 January 2006 14:13 (eighteen years ago) link

two months pass...
"Wireless" from StG pt 1 gets me every time

Dominique (dleone), Sunday, 26 March 2006 01:48 (eighteen years ago) link

Ahh, this thread comes back to haunt me once again...

Tim Smith is on tour supporting Ginger And The Sonic Circus at the moment. I was dead keen to go to the london date, except tickets are something like £15 plus booking fee and considering I have no interest in seeing the headline act, it would be a bit of a waste of money. Sigh.

Seven years is just silly. I wonder how many times they've recorded/scrapped the new album now? I imagine it's like Lee Mavers and The La's - they just keep redoing it over and over again and are never satisfied with the result.

Philip Alderman (Phil A), Monday, 27 March 2006 00:56 (eighteen years ago) link

where will drake bells next concert be and how can i contact him?

allyson marie deering, Wednesday, 5 April 2006 09:31 (eighteen years ago) link


Have the good folk who visit this list been here yet? www.6k2.com/myforum/cardiacs.html

Andy, Wednesday, 5 April 2006 12:09 (eighteen years ago) link

On Youtube there's a little clip of Tim, John Poole and Ginger doing "Anything I Can't Eat" from last week sometime (sorry I can't seem to access youtube today to get the link).

everything, Wednesday, 5 April 2006 16:11 (eighteen years ago) link

xpost: is that link thing there supposed to go somewhere? Cos it doesn't.

everything, Wednesday, 5 April 2006 21:03 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah, sorry - dunno what happened there. Try keying it in manually - either that or Google it. Cardiacs Maresnest Forum should do it. It's just a friendly, small but growing chat forum dedicated to Cardiacs - come and say hello.
Dead keen to see that Youtube thing - I was on holiday so I missed the tour. Gutted! Will try and find it myself but can you stick up a link if poss? Ta!

Andy, Thursday, 6 April 2006 09:21 (eighteen years ago) link

Here's the link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UvbhJdhtoiE&search=cardiacs

everything, Thursday, 6 April 2006 17:03 (eighteen years ago) link

The singing issue is a tough one, Jon probably the best suited. I'd like to hear Sharon, Craig, Bill, Richard L, Jon or maybe even Bic, but as glorious as the gigs were and it was amazing to see people like Cawthra, the singing was often not great. Kav co-wrote a fair chunk of the record so he might be on it.

Maresn3st, Tuesday, 11 June 2024 14:49 (five months ago) link

Never listened to Cardiacs til this past week. Not what I would have guessed somehow, it’s sorta like giant on-stage choral musical theater feeling. My 20yr old heard a little HBEB w me and said “it’s a lot of things but it’s a bit like oingo boingo.” i’m sure i looked confused, but after considering it— yeah.

well below the otm mendoza line (Hunt3r), Monday, 17 June 2024 16:56 (five months ago) link

Adjacent, but still worth posting

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rx1H9w4nUqY

Maresn3st, Wednesday, 26 June 2024 09:26 (four months ago) link

aaaaaaahhhhhh so so good. YOUR MOVE CRAIG

imago, Wednesday, 26 June 2024 09:39 (four months ago) link

literally the two faces of 'how to make breakup music' - craig going full 'the sea shall claim the land' mope-out, and then this, lol

imago, Wednesday, 26 June 2024 09:52 (four months ago) link

both of these songs are great. is this the "solo album" spoken about here is that something different (always kind of hard to acertain the extent of james larcombe's role in the tonne of bands he's involved in - seems more as a player and arranger or other people's material?)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcJgpWF_Bh8

i'm a bit parasocially sad if i'm understanding the context correctly though :(

linee, Thursday, 27 June 2024 08:02 (four months ago) link

You managed to not pick that up from Ark, the album with the most just-divorced energy maybe ever, lol

imago, Thursday, 27 June 2024 08:16 (four months ago) link

i've love his music but i must admit it's not really something where i pay any attention to the words as anything more than a mood... i just assume he's always extolling the virtues of some kind of antediluvian Angleterre landscape or that it's a setting of a romantic poet doing the same thing :)

*looks at the song titles and listens to the first 20 seconds and Ark* oh...

linee, Thursday, 27 June 2024 08:26 (four months ago) link

You can sort of understand the whole thing from comparing that album to this new song, as I say. Or at least, you can damn well tell who required it be the case

imago, Thursday, 27 June 2024 08:33 (four months ago) link

Anyway, this is a really lovely interview, thanks!

imago, Thursday, 27 June 2024 08:53 (four months ago) link

I was asking James about the record yesterday and it was apparently made quite a while back, so much so that he had completely forgotten that he sung on the b-side.

Maresn3st, Thursday, 27 June 2024 09:39 (four months ago) link

Apparently there's an NSRO coming soon too. Hopefully Craig's got a bit of his pep back (mind you, I A Moon was quite a downbeat album and that worked out pretty well)

imago, Thursday, 27 June 2024 10:09 (four months ago) link

I think he's pretty consistent, the guitar instrumentals record and all the little things EPs and whatnot, that he was making and releasing post-lockdown have been great, still listen to Ark all the time.

Maresn3st, Thursday, 27 June 2024 11:35 (four months ago) link

Oh, quite a lot of his moon stuff was amazing yeah

imago, Thursday, 27 June 2024 12:00 (four months ago) link

I just mean I hope he's a bit happier!

imago, Thursday, 27 June 2024 12:05 (four months ago) link

I was completely unaware of The Cardiacs, despite having worked in a record shop and being involved in college radio (US) in the late 80s and early 90s. Yesterday I was idly following this thread, and then noticed that the friend of my 20 year old son was wearing a Cardiacs t-shirt. He (age 20 also) described them as “sort of prog punk”.

christopher.ivan, Thursday, 27 June 2024 12:09 (four months ago) link

two months pass...

this Kugelshrieber album is even better than i thought it would be. just non-stop hits; had to play all over again after my first listen.

https://kugelschreiber.bandcamp.com/album/cheerleaders

closest comparision would be Shrubbies obviously, but it also reminds me a little of some of what Rob Crow does with some of the kind of terse, clipped riffs and the staggered harmonies? but yeah super poppy and fun but still slightly twisty and crooked. love how it was clearly written as bass/voice first and foremost.

linee, Wednesday, 18 September 2024 10:10 (two months ago) link

oh fuck I've forgotten to listen to this! here goes. take the stage sharron...

imago, Wednesday, 18 September 2024 10:13 (two months ago) link

oh my, this closing track!

imago, Wednesday, 18 September 2024 10:53 (two months ago) link


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