Black Sabbath: Classic or Dud?

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I can't believe the Osbourne camp would try to take advantage of any situation. They never do that.

EZ Snappin, Thursday, 2 February 2012 22:08 (twelve years ago) link

Not at all surprised, but fuck this really bums me out. If I lose my chance to see these guys because of Osbourne dickishness I'll be so pissed off.

Gonjasufjanstephen O'Malley (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 2 February 2012 22:18 (twelve years ago) link

bill magill to thread

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 2 February 2012 22:21 (twelve years ago) link

I mean, I'm 100% behind Bill Ward assuming what he is saying is true, but I was really excited for this album and tour.

Gonjasufjanstephen O'Malley (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 2 February 2012 22:22 (twelve years ago) link

I'd be really surprised if this is anything else but Sharon's machinations. This is the same people that OVERDUBBED out the bass and drums on Ozzy's first album to keep from paying royalties.

earlnash, Thursday, 2 February 2012 22:23 (twelve years ago) link

maybe they could just avoid Osbourne altogether and get Ian Gillan back in the band.

tylerw, Thursday, 2 February 2012 22:23 (twelve years ago) link

Watch, the tour and album will end up being Ozzy + Black Label Society as his backing band or some shit.

Gonjasufjanstephen O'Malley (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 2 February 2012 22:25 (twelve years ago) link

This happened the last time they reunited. Exact same thing, this is total deja vu. Ward ended up playing.

Count me in the Ward camp here. Embarrassing.

You're a notch, I'm a legend (Bill Magill), Thursday, 2 February 2012 22:47 (twelve years ago) link

Iommi and Butler need to show some stones here. Back your old mate. We were promised the original Black Sabbath.

You're a notch, I'm a legend (Bill Magill), Thursday, 2 February 2012 22:49 (twelve years ago) link

need to know exactly what it is in the contract that Ward doesn't like tbh

ban this sick stunt (anagram), Friday, 3 February 2012 08:56 (twelve years ago) link

Probably giving up publishing or something like that. The original Sabs all shared writing credits for all songs.

You're a notch, I'm a legend (Bill Magill), Friday, 3 February 2012 15:05 (twelve years ago) link

^^^

difficult not to suspect Sharon in this

Full Frontal Newtity (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 3 February 2012 17:10 (twelve years ago) link

If Ward does end up playing, I'm sure Sharon will just man the sound booth to turn him down before pelting him with dozens of eggs at the end of each show.

Gonjasufjanstephen O'Malley (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 3 February 2012 17:29 (twelve years ago) link

It is my hope that tomorrow it will turn out that Bill gets to play and no one will ever really know the details of the contract or who was behind it sharon.

beachville, Friday, 3 February 2012 17:45 (twelve years ago) link

This is obviously Sharon and her lapdog Ozzy.

RIP Dio. Bring back Heaven and Hell with Bruce Dickinson or somebody, because this Sabbath thing seems to be toast.

You're a notch, I'm a legend (Bill Magill), Friday, 3 February 2012 19:12 (twelve years ago) link

Or the Gillan lineup as was mentioned above, maybe Ward would be up for that one. Or Bev Bevan.

You're a notch, I'm a legend (Bill Magill), Friday, 3 February 2012 19:13 (twelve years ago) link

how about Tony 'Nyan Cat' Martin?

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 3 February 2012 19:13 (twelve years ago) link

Absolutely not. Fuck that guy.

You're a notch, I'm a legend (Bill Magill), Friday, 3 February 2012 20:07 (twelve years ago) link

We were saddened to hear yesterday via Facebook that Bill declined publicly to participate in our current Black Sabbath plans...we have no choice but to continue recording without him although our door is always open... We are still in the UK with Tony. Writing and recording the new album and on a roll... See you at Download!!!

- Tony, Ozzy and Geezer

ban this sick stunt (anagram), Monday, 6 February 2012 08:59 (twelve years ago) link

fuck 'em

RejoicingShepherd (stevie), Monday, 6 February 2012 12:12 (twelve years ago) link

No band gets great without a great drummer. Ward is certainly no exception.

beachville, Monday, 6 February 2012 13:00 (twelve years ago) link

I'd be really surprised if this is anything else but Sharon's machinations. This is the same people that OVERDUBBED out the bass and drums on Ozzy's first album to keep from paying royalties.

iirc, Ozzy didn't even know about this until months after the reissues were in the stores.

Wouldn't be surprised if Ozzy gets to the studio the first day and says, "Wait, where's Bill?"

Let A Man Come In And Do The Cop Porn (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 6 February 2012 14:38 (twelve years ago) link

It'll be Vinny Appice then, more than likely.

ban this sick stunt (anagram), Monday, 6 February 2012 15:29 (twelve years ago) link

If Bill is sitting on his bed in LA patiently waiting for the taxi to call, he'll be there a long time. His transparent effort to get fans to persuade Ozzy & Co. to support Ward is likely to backfire, especially when all focus is now on Tony Iommi’s treatment for lymphoma, making a new record, and healing old wounds. Perhaps Ward has a point but to the general public, it sounds like sour grapes. At this rate, Ward is likely to be spending the summer watching highlights of the Sabbath reunion on MTV. But in all the fracas, we did get a confirmation Black Sabbath plans to be at the Download festival. Got sticks? Stay tuned. And Go Tony!

http://www.epiphone.com/News/Features/News/2012/Black-Sabbath-Seeks-New-Drummer.aspx

beachville, Monday, 6 February 2012 16:39 (twelve years ago) link

Well, fuck you Sharon. Does anyone know if theres any foundation that Iommi supports? After this bullshit, I think I'm going to take the money I would have spent on the new album and tickets for the tour and donate it in Iommi's name instead of giving one more fucking cent to an organization that would allow a founding member to be treated with such disregard. Awful.

Gonjasufjanstephen O'Malley (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 6 February 2012 16:44 (twelve years ago) link

iirc, Ozzy didn't even know about this until months after the reissues were in the stores.

Wouldn't be surprised if Ozzy gets to the studio the first day and says, "Wait, where's Bill?

Very likely otm.

Gonjasufjanstephen O'Malley (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 6 February 2012 16:46 (twelve years ago) link

alternately: "Wait, where's who's Bill?"

max buzzword (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 6 February 2012 16:48 (twelve years ago) link

guilty lol

Gonjasufjanstephen O'Malley (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 6 February 2012 16:49 (twelve years ago) link

i really hate entertainment journalists who feign to speak for 'the general public'

RejoicingShepherd (stevie), Monday, 6 February 2012 16:53 (twelve years ago) link

Haha, yeah, the "general public" I'm in touch with is squarely on Ward's side on this.

Gonjasufjanstephen O'Malley (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 6 February 2012 16:54 (twelve years ago) link

Sharon has some pretty solid connections with Epiphone. A week ago she hosted their roast of Zakk Wylde.

beachville, Monday, 6 February 2012 16:57 (twelve years ago) link

i also like the "got sticks?" thing as if they band will just hold open auditions to any dickhead with a kit

dave coolier (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 6 February 2012 16:58 (twelve years ago) link

God, i'm sure that was a laugh riot.

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You're a notch, I'm a legend (Bill Magill), Monday, 6 February 2012 16:59 (twelve years ago) link

i also like the "got sticks?" thing as if they band will just hold open auditions to any dickhead with a kit

To preempt any sidetracks here, I am in no way equating the state and/or talent of the two bands here, but that is exactly what the Pumpkins did to replace Chamberlin to pretty much disastrous results.

Gonjasufjanstephen O'Malley (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 6 February 2012 17:03 (twelve years ago) link

Really? Seems like such a waste of time when you could just put out feelers to established dudes

dave coolier (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 6 February 2012 17:08 (twelve years ago) link

Yeah, I have no idea why they did it, but Corgan held open auditions (at fucking Guitar Center too, iirc) and ended up going with some 19 year-old kid.

Gonjasufjanstephen O'Malley (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 6 February 2012 17:10 (twelve years ago) link

GENIUS

max buzzword (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 6 February 2012 17:17 (twelve years ago) link

Definitely the smartest way to replace the most talented dude you've ever had in your band.

Gonjasufjanstephen O'Malley (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 6 February 2012 17:18 (twelve years ago) link

I would hope that any established drummers steer clear of this out of respect for Ward.

Then again, Ozzy's touring band didn't have any such qualms about jumping on board with Overdubs Of A Madman.

Let A Man Come In And Do The Cop Porn (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 6 February 2012 17:21 (twelve years ago) link

or joining Metallica lol

max buzzword (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 6 February 2012 17:23 (twelve years ago) link

Yeah, this has 'Tommy Clueftos Joining Sabbath' all over it.

A. Begrand, Monday, 6 February 2012 17:47 (twelve years ago) link

Yeah, I have no idea why they did it, but Corgan held open auditions (at fucking Guitar Center too, iirc) and ended up going with some 19 year-old kid

that's becuz only a 19 year old nobody wouldn't already be aware what a colossal dickhole billy is?

RejoicingShepherd (stevie), Monday, 6 February 2012 17:49 (twelve years ago) link

infinite dickhole

buzza, Monday, 6 February 2012 17:54 (twelve years ago) link

that's becuz only a 19 year old nobody wouldn't already be aware what a colossal dickhole billy is?

Fair point.

Gonjasufjanstephen O'Malley (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 6 February 2012 17:54 (twelve years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPoomwdNZeY&feature=player_embedded

Jamie_ATP, Friday, 10 February 2012 12:02 (twelve years ago) link

Haha, my wife's guitly pleasure is America's Got Talent and I usually get roped into watching it with her, those guys were fun to watch the year they were on.

Gonjasufjanstephen O'Malley (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 10 February 2012 16:20 (twelve years ago) link

At this rate, Ward is likely to be spending the summer watching highlights of the Sabbath reunion on MTV

Highlights, MTV, lol

If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Friday, 10 February 2012 16:56 (twelve years ago) link

God, people pretending there's been no Black Sabbath original line-up reunion in 30 years are worse than people pretending Van Halen hasn't toured with DLR in the same span.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 17 February 2012 20:32 (twelve years ago) link

Who is "pretending" that?

You're a notch, I'm a legend (Bill Magill), Friday, 17 February 2012 20:36 (twelve years ago) link

Well, the Black Sabbath tour has now been replaced by an "Ozzy & Friends" tour, which just makes me think of a line from the movie King of New York: "Friends? That cocksucker ain't got no friends."

誤訳侮辱, Friday, 17 February 2012 20:56 (twelve years ago) link


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