― the pinefox, Monday, 8 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Graham, Wednesday, 10 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― the pinefox, Friday, 2 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
2001 Collected Recordings: Box set includes the new titles "Etc.." & "Plastic Wood", the UK version of "Lloyd Cole & The Negatives" (including "Artificial Tears") and exclusive bonus CD "Loaded" recorded live in New York. Country: UK. Release Date: 5-Nov-01.
Etc.., 14 track 2001 album is more laid-back & acoustic than the last release. Guest guitarist is Richard Hell & The Voidoids founder- member Robert Quine. Country: UK. Release Date: 5-Nov-01.
Plastic Wood, 18-track collection of solo instrumental recordings, many inspired by movies or the work of Brian Eno. Recorded in New York over a 2-year period. Country: UK. Release Date: 5-Nov-01.
Source: Siren Disc Siren Disc - Future Releases
― DJ Martian, Friday, 2 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― youn, Friday, 2 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
RE the exchange between pinefox and Andrew L above - I have a bootleg CD recorded in '84 at Le Palace, which is good sounding show, and shows a couple of songs to still be in the writing stages...presumably Rattlesnakes was soon to be recorded. Oddly enough, they do a cover of the song Glory twice - opening and closing the show with it. Huh. But that's all I've seen, of that ilk.
― Scott, Friday, 9 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
Lloyd's response, "I'm psyched that Alice Cooper knows who I am."
(great show too.)
― Dave225, Monday, 12 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Dave225, Friday, 30 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― youn, Sunday, 9 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
LC is brilliant, haunting, witty, charming, pretentious, goofy, multi- layered, intellectual, honest, and has very much continued to reflect my feelings about, and experiences with, life and love. (Hmmm. Sounds like a description of Shakespeare.) What more can we ask of any artist?
By the way, if anyone knows where I might find Easy Pieces on cd please let me know. I can't find it anywhere!!!
steph
― steph, Wednesday, 2 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
Pinefox! Back! She said she was married!
― Tom, Wednesday, 2 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― mark s, Wednesday, 2 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 2 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
I only have the old vinyl, but bought a second copy a few months back and (I think) immediately gave it away. (Didn't I? I can't remember much these days.)
There used to be a 2-for-1 tape of Rattlesnakes and Easy Pieces. (This is Peter Miller territory. Stories about teenage Buxton impend.)
All this is framed, of course, by the fact that Easy Pieces, while good by most standards, is one of the worst Lloyd Cole records ever. Probably only Bad Vibes and Plastic Wood, in their different ways, are worse.
― the pinefox, Thursday, 3 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Dave225, Thursday, 3 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
But side 2 really tumbles. 'Too Much of a Good Thing' possibly = LC's worst ever LP track. 'Fall Together' is a bit of a folly that hardly manages to improve on 'Come Together'. 'Wr Wrong' is very good; esp the acoustic solo. 'Seen The Future' is fun I guess but not much more. 'Can't Get Arrested' is a pretty lame way to limp out.
I'm being too harsh - I've played this LP a LOT over 8 years, and that only on a poor tape copy. But I just don't think it stands up vs the others. It's underwritten, after the (magnificent) first track; maybe that's the basic problem.
― Mark, Thursday, 3 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― youn, Tuesday, 8 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Dave225, Tuesday, 8 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Kristopher John, Friday, 22 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― powertonevolume, Saturday, 23 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
**The Negatives -- C- (too much studio polish)** **Etc. -- A (excellent... back to folk roots)** **Loaded -- F+ (horrible recording quality and lackluster performances)** **Plastic Wood -- B (ambient electronics; he's no Eno, but it's rather pleasant)**
― Tim DiGravina, Saturday, 23 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Polaroid, Wednesday, 27 November 2002 00:07 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Mark (MarkR), Wednesday, 27 November 2002 00:40 (twenty-one years ago) link
― the pinefox, Wednesday, 27 November 2002 21:33 (twenty-one years ago) link
― polaroid, Monday, 24 March 2003 00:42 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Gatinha (rwillmsen), Monday, 24 March 2003 01:57 (twenty-one years ago) link
THAT WAS NEVER ON THAT ALBUM ARGH! FIERCE PANCAKE IS BRILLIANT ALBUM ARGH! HOW MUCH IS THE FISH ETC WAS erm a single way before that etc etc and annoying because defining band for hewry masses ect blather.
Ex Palais Schaumburg bloke produce. Future musical saw man on bass. Beautiful record it is. Buy Fierce Pancake now everybody. Flann O', es. This is a DP
― OleM (OleM), Monday, 12 May 2003 19:28 (twenty-one years ago) link
― the pinefox, Friday, 20 June 2003 15:50 (twenty years ago) link
"I have news, for a change.
I can now announce (sorry to be so hush hush before) that in October this year Lloyd Cole and the Commotions will be briefly reforming to celebrate the 20th anniversary of our debut album 'rattlesnakes'.
So far we have booked Oct 12th - Glasgow Barrowlands (Ticketweb)AndOct 15th - London Hammersmith Apollo (Ticketmaster)
We will quite possibly (and hopefully) be adding a few more shows in other major cities, but I cannot guarantee this.
We will be the original line up playing only songs from our 3 albums,b-sides and maybe some of the cover versions we used to play. No LC solo material.
Hope some of you can make it, it should be fun.
Universal will be releasing a 'deluxe edition' of the album and we arecurrently at work selecting tracks for the bonus CD, these will include:Beautiful City (the only track from the rattlesnakes session not to beincluded on the disc - I'm sure you will agree with the decision if and when you hear it)Are you ready to be heartbroken? (original unreleased indi single b-side)Jesus Said (from P Hardiman produced session post rattlesnakes, pre Easy Pieces)All original b-sides, including Glory (Television song)Selected BBC session recordingsLive tracks from the period (each Commotion will choose a favourite song)Demos for P Skin and F Fire
Hopefully it will be something worth having, the CD will be properlyremastered and there will be no surround sound crap.
Finally, thanks to all those who came to the January/February shows.
Yours
LC
― dave225 (Dave225), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 12:58 (twenty years ago) link
surely not!personally, the first song i heard was 'brand new friend', and then 'lost weekend'. i was young, and foolish and discovered him via top of the pops. hell, there are worse ways to find someone.
i'd be interested to hear WHY you think it is his worst album. it tails off towards the end rather, but i never found his albums completely consistent. and, comparatively, its free of the 'look at the size of my intellect' literary references which, while amusing in isolation, do tend to get a little wearing after a while.
also, its the album where he had a bit of fun, allowed himself to flirt wholeheartedly with pop, stopped trying to be so clever for a few minutes and just projected his feelings without too many twists and tics and knowing smiles. and i think that's why its the only one of his albums that i love, rather than merely admire.
as for the rest of this thread...so, some lloyd cole sounds a little of its time, shall we say.. but thank god it was there at its time. the opening chords of 'brand new friend' still make my heart jump a little, and, if lloyd postured a little in the 80s, he wasn't exactly on his own, was he? 'i love country music', my favourite, paints the opposite picture - completely honest: bedsitter sordidness, television and cheap spanish wine - as effective in its own way as 'gene' by the smiths or 'bedsitter' by soft cell. perhaps more effective for me, now, because it does so without being needlessly maudlin. 'gene' is a great song, but it depresses the fuck out of me. (i know lots of you are going to disagree) '...country music' still makes me smile.
so, then... C-L-A-S-S-I-C..... for easy pieces, rattlesnakes and admitting he'll never match leonard cohen (can anyone?) but that's just my opinion. its no more, or less, valid than yours..
and a lot of the later 90s stuff is really quite good. more reflective, more considered, far less postured - for the most part. 'bad vibes' and 'don't get weird on me' are the case against.
travis? who are they?
― hobart paving (hobart paving), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 13:30 (twenty years ago) link
― El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 13:34 (twenty years ago) link
And "Bad Vibes" is a great record... Someday you will all see...
― dave225 (Dave225), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 13:40 (twenty years ago) link
― the blissfox, Tuesday, 10 February 2004 13:45 (twenty years ago) link
― dave225 (Dave225), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 13:47 (twenty years ago) link
― grapeshine (grapeshine), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 14:14 (twenty years ago) link
Lloyd Cole (X)
Rattlesnakes
Etc
The Negatives
Mainstream
Don't Get Weird On Me, Babe
Easy Pieces
Love Story
Music In A Foreign Language
Bad Vibes
with Plastic Wood existing in a list of its own.
I am opposed to mere lists, and should know better than to make and send this one. But -.
― the ninefox, Tuesday, 10 February 2004 14:19 (twenty years ago) link
And Music in a Foreign Language may rate higher after more listenings..
― dave225 (Dave225), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 14:23 (twenty years ago) link
i haven't heard bad vibes or music in a foreign language.
― youn, Tuesday, 10 February 2004 15:02 (twenty years ago) link
Of course even they are better than almost anyone else's records.
225: how many listens does MFL take? What do you think is good about it?
It does have good points - even 'Shelf Life', for instance, does something for me.
― the blissfox, Tuesday, 10 February 2004 15:12 (twenty years ago) link
― dave225 (Dave225), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 15:25 (twenty years ago) link
― Donna Brown (Donna Brown), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 05:21 (twenty years ago) link
I must agree! But he chimed in quickly!
Donna, no Citroen? Clearly your parents treated you poorly and you must lash out against an uncaring society and form a nu-metal band. Oh wait.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 05:27 (twenty years ago) link
― Donna Brown (Donna Brown), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 05:36 (twenty years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 05:44 (twenty years ago) link
― Donna Brown (Donna Brown), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 06:07 (twenty years ago) link
Yet, all Reynolds seemed able to do was say that he'd once liked Rattlesnakes. I think it would be good if he took a broader view - and revisited his own interview with Lloyd, from MM in c. Jan / Feb 1990, at the time of the X LP. This was no mere interview: it contained good writing and real insight, more than I've often seen from Reynolds since. It was definitely one of the three best things ever written about Lloyd Cole.
I wonder has he merely forgotten the piece, since, or is he ashamed of its thoughtful interest in later Lloyd, whose work he now thinks mainly matter for mockery?
― the pinefox, Tuesday, 10 August 2004 16:03 (nineteen years ago) link
― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 16:05 (nineteen years ago) link
(Maybe the need for there to be an extended version is itself a bad sign, but I still love Lloyd Cole and the Commotions, and I am pretty sure the Prefab Sprout comparison was meant favorably?)
― youn, Wednesday, 2 March 2022 17:26 (two years ago) link
Dug *Standards* out tonight. Found the album during the first lockdown and, accordingly, love it unconditionally. 'Myrtle and Rose' is such a great track.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-hCpAoCZak
― Shard-borne Beatles with their drowsy hums (Chinaski), Friday, 20 January 2023 22:39 (one year ago) link
She telephoned to say that she'd cut her wristsInstead she beat the walls with her fistsTil they bledRunning redRunning backAgain
― Kieth Encounter (Noodle Vague), Friday, 20 January 2023 23:31 (one year ago) link
His last few albums have been great. "Broken Record" and "Standards" are exactly what you want and expect from Lloyd, but his last one, "Guesswork", is Lloyd adding a synthy/krauty kind of album and it's fantastic. A great example of an artist stretching their style.
― Gerald McBoing-Boing, Friday, 20 January 2023 23:34 (one year ago) link
Those lyrics are great. xp
― lord of the rongs (anagram), Saturday, 21 January 2023 00:31 (one year ago) link
Agree with all the above.
― the pinefox, Saturday, 21 January 2023 10:40 (one year ago) link
Him talking about Limmy absolutely ruined him for me.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bltQ07N6HxQ
― houdinisaid, Saturday, 21 January 2023 12:50 (one year ago) link
Lived in Glasgow for four years, taught himself Flash, he could almost have been Limmy, only he would have written a better book.
― A Drunk Man Looks At Partick Thistle (Tom D.), Saturday, 21 January 2023 13:02 (one year ago) link
https://sco.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limmy#yinthreid!
― The Gate of Angels Laundromat (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 21 January 2023 14:28 (one year ago) link
Sorry, reading Scots just makes me laugh.
― A Drunk Man Looks At Partick Thistle (Tom D.), Saturday, 21 January 2023 15:16 (one year ago) link
I'll no let that worry me.
― The Gate of Angels Laundromat (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 21 January 2023 16:29 (one year ago) link
How do we even know it is real Scots and not just the work of a Septic bairn?
― The Gate of Angels Laundromat (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 21 January 2023 17:07 (one year ago) link
It may as well be, it's like trying to resurrect Shakespearean English in the 21st century. Plus there's the horrible bigoted element of arseholes in Northern Ireland saying the Fenians have got Gaelic so we want Ulster Scots to he treated as a separate language too.
― A Drunk Man Looks At Partick Thistle (Tom D.), Saturday, 21 January 2023 22:35 (one year ago) link
"Him talking about Limmy absolutely ruined him for me."
that is the 2nd time I've listened to that R4 book show clip, and he sounds like an even bigger wanker this time.
― calzino, Saturday, 21 January 2023 23:21 (one year ago) link
OTM
― A Drunk Man Looks At Partick Thistle (Tom D.), Saturday, 21 January 2023 23:34 (one year ago) link
Seems he’s not in a good place at the moment. Hopefully he’ll get the treatment and support he needs.
https://www.lloydcole.com/time-out/
― Dan Worsley, Saturday, 27 April 2024 07:26 (one month ago) link
At least it sounds like he's got a plan to get better. I've really loved this new phase of his career, I hope he can get sorted.
― Gerald McBoing-Boing, Saturday, 27 April 2024 11:47 (one month ago) link
Love this tune
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPCneZ7AwdQ
― Saxophone Of Futility (Michael B), Friday, 14 June 2024 21:53 (four days ago) link